streetkings01 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I think he makes the jump to the #2 guy and has a breakout sophomore season. 5 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) He had a really good rookie year. Also, Hodges apparently had a good camp prior to the injury. Edited January 27, 2021 by RyanC883 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Still need to upgrade John Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Still need to upgrade John Brown I’m cool with Brown....he’s 1 year removed from 1000 yards. Injuries hurt him this year....I still see a role for him next year. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Davis was a great find in that draft. Fun to watch and can be a legit #2. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, Success said: Davis was a great find in that draft. Fun to watch and can be a legit #2. Absolutely 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Me too. I think Davis will be a stud. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Not sure I agree. He's has a big wingspan, good hands and decent speed, but he lacks quickness and doesn't seem to get open easily. An excellent third or fourth receiver, but I think the Bills need more speed to complement Beasley and Davis and let Diggs do whatever he wants. I do think Davis will improve next year, but I don't see him as an effective number two receiver. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I agrree Gabe has shown a lot for a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I want another top shelf talent to compliment Diggs. Gabe Davis does have a nose for the end zone, but at 4.52 I just question if he is more than a #3 - #4 WR. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 He needs to work on his upper body strength and his assertiveness generally. Contested catches were an issue (except for one particular catch) and he would’ve benefited from working the refs in a few games to get some calls. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frat-Train Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 19 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: He needs to work on his upper body strength and his assertiveness generally. Contested catches were an issue (except for one particular catch) and he would’ve benefited from working the refs in a few games to get some calls. This, 100%. He needs to learn the intricacies of his position in order to take that step. This is why having Diggs is so important. He’s a student of the game and will serve as a huge influence on these talented younger guys. If he takes a step though... I think he’s a big bodied #2 and that would allow Buffalo to focus on bigger needs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 he missed that TD against the ravens, but he had a stellar game against the colts. im a big fan of his too, but he does need to work on his catching consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: Still need to upgrade John Brown His name is Gabe Davis! 25 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I want another top shelf talent to compliment Diggs. Gabe Davis does have a nose for the end zone, but at 4.52 I just question if he is more than a #3 - #4 WR. I really question this speed thing. I did some calculations a few weeks back. The difference between Davis at 4.52 seconds and Brown 4.3, (assuming he can even still do a 4.3 at his age) results in a 40 yard run about 5 1/2 feet. In other words Brown would beat Davis by that amount. But when throwing a pass, have to factor in Davis being taller, likely longer arms makes up some of that distance. Maybe it's an effective difference of about 1.5 yard. So how many passes are going to be dropped perfectly into that spot that Brown would have caught it and it would have sailed over Davis head? How many passes does a team even throw over 40 yards over the course of the season, and how many are then even completed? Maybe 40 are thrown and 10 completed. Does it really stretch the field all that much more, and if so, how many more yards does it actually gain the team? And then is it worth spending an extra $7 mil for that or better spent elsewhere? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, streetkings01 said: I’m cool with Brown....he’s 1 year removed from 1000 yards. Injuries hurt him this year....I still see a role for him next year. Brown at $9.75 million is a lot. I like him as a player but not at that cost. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: Still need to upgrade John Brown I kinda think Davis is that upgrade. Realistically we all obviously know Diggs will be there and I think most of us understand that Beasley will continue to be our slot guy. The fight is for the #2 role and I think Brown is gone in the offseason as a cap casualty as we try to pay Josh and resign Milano. And I think Davis has already proven that (when healthy) he can be a solid number 2. And the best thing is he was only a rookie... so he should get better! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Gabe Davis does have a nose for the end zone, but at 4.52 I just question if he is more than a #3 - #4 WR. 40 time isn't everything, Deandre Hopkins ran a 4.57 and he is capable of taking the top off a defense, it is how you use your speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 hours ago, streetkings01 said: I’m cool with Brown....he’s 1 year removed from 1000 yards. Injuries hurt him this year....I still see a role for him next year. unless they find a speedster in the draft or FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 As for John Brown... he may have sealed the loss https://theathletic.com/2343821/2021/01/25/bills-chiefs-josh-allen-sean-mcdermott-afc-championship/ 3) Allen needed more from John Brown on his interception Allen flirted with a few interceptions and ended up throwing just one, but he wasn’t the primary reason for the turnover. Early in the fourth quarter, the Bills were down 16 points with plenty of time and a dose of optimism remaining. They had already moved the ball 65 yards downfield. From the Chiefs’ 20-yard-line, Allen made the correct decision on the called RPO. He knew he’d have space to attempt a slant throw to wide receiver John Brown and move the Bills closer to the end zone. What he couldn’t predict was that Brown would lose the route. The Chiefs defender grabbed at Brown a bit on the play, but they were still within the 5-yard zone in which defenders can put their hands on receivers. It’s Brown’s responsibility to get a clean release and keep the defender off his pads. And if he doesn’t do that initially, he has to battle through the contact. Brown failed on both accounts on this play, allowing the Chiefs to break up the pass, deflect it into the air and set up an easy interception for the safety. That play is a perfect example of what the Bills must consider in the offseason with Brown. Brown is a good route runner, but he relies on his burst to gain separation. Without it, Brown will have a hard time winning consistently against man coverage. Brown has been missing that element of his game since he returned from an ankle injury. While that might’ve been what slowed him down, it’s fair to wonder if Brown’s best days are behind him. By the start of training camp in July, Brown will be 31 years old and on the final year of his contract. The Bills have players they’d like to re-sign and the depth at receiver to move on from Brown without a big drop-off. They would also save nearly $8 million on the salary cap by cutting Brown this offseason, giving them the flexibility to either re-sign one of their own or add a middle-tier veteran free agent at another position of need. Along with the offensive line, the decision on Brown will be one of the Bills’ most challenging because of how much he meant to Allen early in his career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I believe we'll have the cap room. Zero reason to not bring him back. If money is the only reason you have then I want to bring him back. If that kid from Florida is available in the draft, add him to Diggs, Beasley, Brown, Davis and hopefully it all clicks for Knox....add an RB. Can't wait to see what we can do. Yea, we're going to be just fine on offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 John Brown and Gabe Davis are different types of receivers don’t replace one with the other add to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I think John Brown will bounce back next year. Whether it's with us or not depends on the cap I suppose. If he goes,we absolutely need to add speed. As far as Davis is concerned, he needs to work on "attacking" the ball. Im sure this has been noticed by Hall et al and I assume he'll work on it in the off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 He was a pleasant pick in the draft, amd am excited to see what Hodgins can do as a compliment in the red zone. Both don’t address speed. The story on Beasely breaking his fibula now makes sense. I was surprised he could play at all. I still think Brown must have been more injured than we know as he just never looked the same since his injuries earlier in the season. What I’m hopeful for is a hit at TE in the draft. Supposedly this is a very deep draft for this position. We don’t have the $ at all for free agency so all of these people stated in so many posts aren’t going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: Still need to upgrade John Brown Go get Deebo while the Niners consider blowing everything up. I love Davis and agree. Still interested in this Hodgins kid as well, nearly forgot about him. Edited January 27, 2021 by Nelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Victory Formation said: Me too. I think Davis will be a stud. How will producing more children help the Bills ? It won't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: How will producing more children help the Bills ? It won't 2039 draft? 🤔 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
298Woody Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Davis has good hands and feet but too slow and weak to be more than a gadget guy like McKenzie as a change of pace. He has no fight in him and Duke should have been active instead of a limping Davis. We also have Stills that can cheaply replace Brown. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I’m impressed he handled business when called upon for most of the season. I would pump the brakes a little on the hype though. A lot of his production was based off seeing teams worst corner on the field or coverage shifted heavily to Diggs. Credit to Davis for making the plays but it’s too early still to say he’s a #2. The potential is there. Nothing to be overly negative about a 4th round pick for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: 2039 draft? 🤔 That’ll be the year Mahomes retires! Excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 12 hours ago, RyanC883 said: He had a really good rookie year. Also, Hodges apparently had a good camp prior to the injury. Forgot about him. Thx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 His development this year was pretty impressive. He earned his playing time and didn't stick out for too many mistakes. Dropped a potential playoff TD in a win so I won't hold it against him. I wonder if this is going to affect the roster status of Brown. I doubt the look that way in the draft either. Probably our best position group but I wouldn't be in opposition to bringing in a couple of "economic" FAs for a looksie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) I think we can go into the season with Gabe Davis penciled in as the #2. He's shown a lot of potential and will only get better. We also have an elite WR1 and an elite slot WR, which lessens the burden of him needing to be a top end #2 immediately (not saying he can't be). This is also assuming that we upgrade the run game/running back position. Brown at his cap hit is similar to how I feel about bringing back Milano. Hard pass. Neither Brown or Milano are difference makers in a potential rematch against Kansas City. Edited January 27, 2021 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 13 hours ago, streetkings01 said: I’m cool with Brown....he’s 1 year removed from 1000 yards. Injuries hurt him this year....I still see a role for him next year. Brown is only worth keeping if he has his explosiveness. Without it he's JAG. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 He's really stiff. Need to run much better routes. Hopefully he spends all offseason with Diggs. Team needs a burner though. Gabe is more of a three Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Brown will most likely asked to be restructured or end up getting released. I can see Brown looking for another team. Lot of opening throughout the league next year. I believe Gabe will replace him at the number 2 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: I believe Gabe will replace him at the number 2 next year. He already did for the majority of 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUBSTER Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 He needs to spend the off-season doing whatever Diggs does and I'll be even more excited. In all seriousness, he had a great rookie year and I'm very happy to see the success he had. I'd like to see what Hodgins has in preseason next year. IMO I think we need a guy that can just blow by the defense with his speed. Maybe John Ross would come play on a small deal. I know he's had injuries his whole career but we seem to have a way of rejuvenating guy's careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Gabe Davis and smoke are different kinds of WR's.....Gabe should not replace what smoke does on the field.....he should add to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 (edited) Gabriel Davis is up there with 3 other Bills WR greats for his Rookie Season: Elbert Dubenion 1960 42/752/17.9YPC and 7 TDs Jerry Butler 1979 48/734/17.4 YPC and 4 TDs Andre Reed 1985 48/637/13.3 YPC and 4 TDs Gabriel Davis 2020 35/599/17.1 YPC and 7 TDs Edited January 27, 2021 by freddyjj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 16 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: As for John Brown... he may have sealed the loss https://theathletic.com/2343821/2021/01/25/bills-chiefs-josh-allen-sean-mcdermott-afc-championship/ 3) Allen needed more from John Brown on his interception Allen flirted with a few interceptions and ended up throwing just one, but he wasn’t the primary reason for the turnover. Early in the fourth quarter, the Bills were down 16 points with plenty of time and a dose of optimism remaining. They had already moved the ball 65 yards downfield. From the Chiefs’ 20-yard-line, Allen made the correct decision on the called RPO. He knew he’d have space to attempt a slant throw to wide receiver John Brown and move the Bills closer to the end zone. What he couldn’t predict was that Brown would lose the route. The Chiefs defender grabbed at Brown a bit on the play, but they were still within the 5-yard zone in which defenders can put their hands on receivers. It’s Brown’s responsibility to get a clean release and keep the defender off his pads. And if he doesn’t do that initially, he has to battle through the contact. Brown failed on both accounts on this play, allowing the Chiefs to break up the pass, deflect it into the air and set up an easy interception for the safety. That play is a perfect example of what the Bills must consider in the offseason with Brown. Brown is a good route runner, but he relies on his burst to gain separation. Without it, Brown will have a hard time winning consistently against man coverage. Brown has been missing that element of his game since he returned from an ankle injury. While that might’ve been what slowed him down, it’s fair to wonder if Brown’s best days are behind him. By the start of training camp in July, Brown will be 31 years old and on the final year of his contract. The Bills have players they’d like to re-sign and the depth at receiver to move on from Brown without a big drop-off. They would also save nearly $8 million on the salary cap by cutting Brown this offseason, giving them the flexibility to either re-sign one of their own or add a middle-tier veteran free agent at another position of need. Along with the offensive line, the decision on Brown will be one of the Bills’ most challenging because of how much he meant to Allen early in his career. I don't think it's fair at all to Brown to say he "sealed the loss" It was clear last year, even with "burst", that teams could take him away with physical play. The Ravens did, Houston did, even IIRC that incompletion on the last throw of the Browns game last year when he played every game except Wk 17. He's struggled to get a clean release when jammed on the line, and he's struggled to keep the defender off his pads. I think Allen could predict Brown might "lose the route" by that point in the game, but he had to try something. Brown seemed as though he had significant improvements to his game this year. Getting his toes down to drag on the way out of bounds on sideline receptions, as he didn't last year vs Houston. Early in the season it seemed as though he had gotten more physical in his play. I think it depends a bit on what he needs this off-season? Because if he's going to be recovering from surgery for 6 months and can't strengthen and train, that could be an issue. I think the Bills would like to have him back, but I fear he's one of the "hard choices" they're going to have to make. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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