Success Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Belichick has almost become a myth here & around the league. Conventional wisdom is that his job is secure no matter what. But Kraft has expressed frustration w/ the lack of playoff success since Brady left. And the game does pass some of these legendary coaches by. The vibe I get when I check in on the Pats boards is that things could get dicey if things go really south for that team. And an 0-3 start would almost be guaranteed to be an 0-4 start w/ Dallas next on their schedule Could there be big changes in New England if this season end up w/ a losing record and another playoff miss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 That would be a shame! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 I think they may force a resignation, but no firing. He still got to hire an OC that was clearly his preference, so it doesn't seem there is any outside influence over the coaching hires yet. Usually that's a sign ownership isn't intervening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 BB the GM should have been fired a long time ago. BB the coach is the only reason that team wins more than 4 games. Tough spot for the Cheats 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GymShorts84 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Not hot. They are two executed drives from 2-0. The coaching is very good. They don’t have the playmakers on offense. We all hate him, but his defensive schemes are impressive. Drafting and scouting are probably holding them back. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Missed playoffs and BillyBoy is history in NE. It’s a business and Kraft doesn’t give a hoot about Bills legacy if they are losing fans and Revenue. I think his coaching is highly overrated. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Process said: BB the GM should have been fired a long time ago. BB the coach is the only reason that team wins more than 4 games. Well said. I watched both Patriot games and, as you wrote, Belichick is the only reason keeping that team from complete collapse. They are devoid of talent. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said: Missed playoffs and BillyBoy is history in NE. It’s a business and Kraft doesn’t give a hoot about Bills legacy if they are losing fans and Revenue. I think his coaching is highly overrated. Don't think his coaching is overrated, but his drafting has been abysmal. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 22 minutes ago, Success said: Belichick has almost become a myth here & around the league. Conventional wisdom is that his job is secure no matter what. But Kraft has expressed frustration w/ the lack of playoff success since Brady left. And the game does pass some of these legendary coaches by. The vibe I get when I check in on the Pats boards is that things could get dicey if things go really south for that team. And an 0-3 start would almost be guaranteed to be an 0-4 start w/ Dallas next on their schedule Could there be big changes in New England if this season end up w/ a losing record and another playoff miss? Basically BB seat is hot. Kraft feels he destroyed Jones development last year and forced him to hire a real OC in O’Brian. If they start 0-4 (which is all but guaranteed if they lose to the Jets) Kraft may tell him this is his last year and then Promote Mayo to HC and make Groh GM. But that’s my guess and opinion and as my wife says I am wrong a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 I want BB around for as long as possible. He keeps them in purgatory and away from the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. I really really hope they beat the Jets. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said: I want BB around for as long as possible. He keeps them in purgatory and away from the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. I really really hope they beat the Jets. See I think Sanders be a more fun QB if they picked a QB.. heck right now I’d be giddy with the tackle from ND being picked by them in April.. the O line has been horrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 The other day in the BN column that question came up, below is part of Jay S's answer Let’s say they finish this season 8-9. That would leave him 22 wins short. Without an answer at quarterback, it’s hard to see New England making a big jump forward in the years ahead, so projecting them to finish with somewhere between seven to 10 wins over the next couple of years seems reasonable. That would mean Belichick would need to coach into his age-74 season in 2026 to get the record. Jay didn't think Kraft would ever fire him, but I'm not so sure. Can't see him giving him more than another year unless gets 10 wins in 2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 If you could replace Belichick the GM while keeping Belichick the coach, that would be ideal. But it isn't really possible to make a change like that after you've given a guy complete control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) That team is never going to get better until they get rid of BB, blow it up and rebuild it. They can't do that with BB because he is good enough to keep them mediocre. They should have fired him last year. Edited September 23, 2023 by Scott7975 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Losing record without Tommy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, MRW said: If you could replace Belichick the GM while keeping Belichick the coach, that would be ideal. But it isn't really possible to make a change like that after you've given a guy complete control. it is difficult to take that power, it would be easily possible to cede that power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 I think he outsmarted himself by having Patricia coach offense last year. If I was Kraft that would really irk me given the results. It looks like BB is chasing Shula's record but that will require at least 3 more seasons if my math is right. I don't think Kraft would fire BB publicly if he was going in a different direction. BB's legacy is hanging in the balance if he can't win without Tommy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 This guy is the hills. He’s dust in a young man’s game. It has passed him by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Losing record without Tommy. And Cheating 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) Rob Parker of The Odd Couple with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker on FoxSports Radio said this month that Bill Belichick is a legend and will not be fired. He has 298 all-time wins, only 30 wins behind Don Shula. Parker estimated it will take him three seasons to break that record He said his job is safe until that time. I couldn't find this clip, but this is a clip from this summer where he has the same conclusion, but gives different reasons, like Belichick was the architect of the defense without which Tomy Brady would not have won all those Super Bowls. 36 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Losing record without Tommy. Well, barely. From 2021-23, he was 25-25 in the regular season and 0-1 in the playoffs (loss to you know who). This season he is 0-2 so far. Edited September 23, 2023 by chongli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, NoSaint said: it is difficult to take that power, it would be easily possible to cede that power. True, I just don't see Belichick as the kind of guy who would be willing to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 I think the Pats will beat the Jets but I think Billy B is safe for at least one or two more seasons. Even with a catastrophic 4-5 win season this year I think Kraft brings back the hoodie for one more season to attempt to right the ship. I think the Pats honestly aren't dead in the water. They played one of the top 3 teams in the NFC week 1 and were mostly within a score that whole game. They then played a good Fins team and once again were mostly within a score. I think the Pats will win 7-9 games this season. Their defense is really good, their ST unit is good and while their offense is bad they have some pieces on that offense like Stevenson who is a very good RB. The issue is most of their games against most competition are going to be one-score knuckleball-type games which are usually 50/50 affairs. So its going to be hard for them to get past a game above .500 that way unless they get insanely good luck which at 0-2 will only have to be more insane. TLDR: Billy B will be back in 2024 and likely 2025 if he wants to keep coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 This exact post comes out about every couple months on here for some strange reason. I’m just happy I don’t have to spend any more time worrying or thinking about Belichick. They are in the rear view and he will eventually be out of NE in the next couple years. That’s good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Einstein said: They are devoid of talent. Yeah, but that also falls on him. Do you think he'd accept a new GM coming in and losing player/personnel control? I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 I wonder how deep old ass Kraft would have to dig to begin to put into motion a Bill Belichick replacement regime. Bill’s the guy at work to take on all the responsibility so nobody knows what the ***** is going on, so he can’t be replaced. I’m sure Kraft would prefer attending his Funeral: Bill Belichick, Head Coach of the New England Patriots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Process said: BB the GM should have been fired a long time ago. BB the coach is the only reason that team wins more than 4 games. Tough spot for the Cheats Maybe Kraft will take away the GOAT Cheater's GM powers and then he will quit as coach due to it once he finds a position for his son on one of his disciples' teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 With the Jets and the Cowboys (both road games) as their next 2, the Pats have a very realistic chance of going 0-4. I believe they need to move on from Bellichick and accept that the era is over. Get rid of Mac Jones also who will never be more than a top tier backup. That whole roster needs to be gutted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 2 hours ago, billsfan89 said: I think the Pats will beat the Jets Say more about this, please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: Say more about this, please Last year the Hoodie embarrassed Wilson. I have picked the Pats to win too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 10 hours ago, Success said: Belichick has almost become a myth here & around the league. Conventional wisdom is that his job is secure no matter what. But Kraft has expressed frustration w/ the lack of playoff success since Brady left. And the game does pass some of these legendary coaches by. The vibe I get when I check in on the Pats boards is that things could get dicey if things go really south for that team. And an 0-3 start would almost be guaranteed to be an 0-4 start w/ Dallas next on their schedule Could there be big changes in New England if this season end up w/ a losing record and another playoff miss? You are late. They were bums last year and they’ll be 4th place AFC-E again this year. Big bust Mac is not the answer and short of bitching at Ref’s calls 😂👍, Belicheat has appeared to be an out of control loser without answers. It’s not easy at all, post Brady, something he’s cottoned on to. “On to the Nursing Home”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 The Patriots are doomed as long as Belichick stays in some capacity. The local radio keeps talking about taking his player personnel duties away, but how is a GM supposed to do good job with the Hoodie looking over his shoulder? Pats need a clean break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 I hope they keep both BB coach/GM and noodle arm whiner Mac Jones for many years so they can wallow in 7-10, 9-8 mediocrity for a decade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 13 hours ago, MRW said: True, I just don't see Belichick as the kind of guy who would be willing to do that. nor do you see him as a guy that wants to quit or be fired a season or two before breaking the record I bet so something may have to give in that, even if mostly behind the scenes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 I hate the jets more than any team right now. I hope they lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Success said: Belichick has almost become a myth here & around the league. Conventional wisdom is that his job is secure no matter what. But Kraft has expressed frustration w/ the lack of playoff success since Brady left. And the game does pass some of these legendary coaches by. I would argue that it hasn't "passed him by," but that he owes his historical career to Mo Lewis. I hope that he at least sent Mo a nice fruit basket at some point. 17 hours ago, Success said: Could there be big changes in New England if this season end up w/ a losing record and another playoff miss? Not sure I ever see him being fired per se however. I think if anything he and Kraft would very very discreetely discuss his "resgination" if it ever came to that, to the extent that it would appear to be genuine. Edited September 23, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 BB should have retired when Brady left the Patriots and leave the question of who influenced their dynasty more forever unanswered. I think he's in New England for as long as he wants. He (and Kraft) probably want that all-time victory title, but he's 31 victories away. If the Patriots keep rolling out these 8-9 win seasons, that's a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 They won't. Belichick hates the Jets more than anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share Posted September 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: They won't. Belichick hates the Jets more than anything They barely beat the Jets in both games last year. The 2nd game was tied 3-3 with under 10 seconds to go.. Belichick's hate vs. NY losing 14 in a row to the Pats and desperate to end that streak. I give the Jets a chance, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 I remember a lot of people used to talk about how we'd just have to wait until the day Belichick retired before we could ever think about the division. Feels like a long time ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 It's so weird how precipitously his winning percentage went down when teams started guarding their playbooks and having tighter security at practices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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