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You've leapfrogged the point entirely. Great coaches don't posting seriously losing records simply because they don't have a HOF QB. Consider, our drought era generally posted better records than he did, routinely. With crap for QBs our coaches posted season wins of 9, 9, 8, 8, 8, 7, 7, 7, 7, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 5, 4, 3 Conntrasted with BB's win totals of 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, and 8 wins, of 11 seasons, again, with miserable failures in the playoffs otherwise, once with crap for divisional foes, there's zero argument to suggest anything but failure. In 11 of BB's non-HOF-QB seasons he's posted 8 losing seasons and had win totals not significantly different from the litany of coaches during our drought era. Great coaches should at least be .500 to 10-6/7 even with average QBs.

Roger, but referring to the NFL

The Bob Uecker Suite. Takeo Spikes would have been invited.

To counter, it's one thing to not win a Super Bowl without a great QB, it's another to fail miserably. In 11 seasons without Brady, his HOF QB, he posted losing records 8 times with unimpressive win totals of 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7, 7, and 8 wins. 49-81 total (.377) In two of the other three seasons he got absolutely dusted in the wild-card round, once by Bledsoe's Pats, a team/QB he could only go 5-11 with, and the other he didn't even make the playoffs, getting edged by Tony Sparano & Chad Pennington.

That right there should end any discussion of any comparisons. McDs done the opposite. He's taken top ranked Ds into the playoffs and choked with them generally speaking. He's even given geriatric QBs and backup QBs chances to beat us in the playoffs.

More damning than that, and in the easiest division in football, he's only made out of of the divisional round once. ... With Allen. Ryan won the off-season. McD wins the regular season. The only Bills coach to have ever done anything significant in the playoffs is Levy, and with Kelly, not Allen, and with worse ranked Ds too.

Indeed, but a win depending upon one's perspective. LOL Either way, just being light. My days of anything other than a secondary market ticket here or there are over.

What a deal.

Unfortunately, the team has gone from being a WNY/Buffalo first thing to being more of a state/national and corporate first thing. It is what it is, but it definitely has changed the fabric of things in this way as well as creating some bitterness. Bittersweet as it were, the team is staying, at least for now, but at the cost of what's going on.

It's foolish thinking that he'll be running like he does much after his prime. But that's a huge part of his game the way that they use and rely on him. He's going to have to master the high-percentage passing game at some point if we're to win a Championship. He had yet to do that. It shouldn't be difficult to envision him retiring in his mid-30s to play golf constantly.

True to an extent, but at least one of the games that I couldn't move tix for at the game was an AFC CG. As to the weather, no, it wasn't a blizzard, I have no idea how cold it was, but it wasn't snowing. We thought about going, drove by, but decided to catch it locally at a bar.

I had a couple of extra tix at least twice during the '90s playoffs games and couldn't get $5 for them in the lot or at the gates. Walked in with 'em. Not sure how that's apropos to your debate, but fwiw.

This thread has gone well. So the answer is No then?

Not sure it's staying within himself that's needed. He's never been great at hitting his short receivers open in the flats, outs, or short otherwise to move down the field. That "high-percentage game" isn't his forte. He needs to work on that element of his game if he's going to be a consummate passer. If he can do that he has the ability to become the best ever. The rest of his game is tops.

There's also a significant pattern of dropoff in play for WRs selected somewhere in the 50s for overall selection. So the 60th pick isn't likely to help us out. We've gotta make the most of our 1st rounder for a WR.

LOL Next time I'm in Buffalo I'll have to go there and see if he'll ante up with the tales of wonder and astonishment. And yeah, it's easy to get back in, they just won't let you buy season tickets, right?

LOL Is he banned from going to games now?

The guy that fell into The Pit and flipped off the police may have been a neurosurgeon. The guy that's been throwing the dildos onto the field in the past was probably a urologist.

A team can have great WRs but if they don't use them optimally then you'll never get the most out of 'em. Someone mentioned it the other day in a thread, but Allen's going to have to expand his playing to hit the open guys underneath, in the flats, and on the outsides short-medium and we'll be fine. If Brady/Allen don't do that then we leave a lot on the table regardless of who our WRs are. Allen did it best in '21 but still not exceptionally well. All the great QBs have done that well.

Nothing beats the Curling championships.

That'll make Josh a consummate QB. S with you, that's what I've been looking for.

We'll find out more this fall.

White hasn't been a factor during the time period cited, he's contributed zero to our rankings even. Even more fiendishly, besides Milano in the '22 season, maybe we can ask the others why they haven't been able to step up in the playoffs in those past three seasons. Milano also wasn't a Beane pick. IDK, maybe you think they have, which is fine. But their stats in those games speak otherwise. Von Miller in his two playoff games: 0 sacks, 0 TFLs, 0 QB Hits Hyde in his four games: 1 INT (Mac Jones) in a blowout, nothing else. Bernard in his four, pretty much nada. Daquan Jones in his three, 0 sacks, 0 TFLs, 1 QB Hit (Thompson) with a few assists otherwise. That's why. No one's happy with it. Benford? We're expecting him to step up? He's been on a rookie contract making less than Davis did.

No doubt. I'm simply going off of what was publicly reported, BN articles and the like. From a quick google ... Under terms spelled out in a memorandum of understanding between the state, county and team, the Bills could walk away at any time, unless a judge blocked them. If they leave in the first 15 years, they would have to pay the state and county the $850 million invested to construct the stadium and another $13.3 million in capital and operating assistance for every year they occupy the stadium. If the team moved after 15 years, the penalties would “steadily” decrease, according to state officials. https://www.investigativepost.org/2023/01/26/weak-relocation-clause-in-bills-lease/ With the way teams are increasing in value, and given some of the wealth, both municipal as well as market wealth, that simply doesn't seem to be "ironclad."