dave mcbride Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 ,“Just continue to play the game as much as possible from the neck up. When you have the kind of talent Ed has, you have to understand situations that could mean the difference between separating yourself from the opponent (and saying), ‘I have to able to process very, very quickly so I can win my one-on-one so I can play ahead of the play as opposed to playing with the sequence of that particular play.’ “With Ed, from an experience standpoint, we need him to play ahead as opposed to with the tempo of the play so (understanding) situations, certain nuances with certain calls and understanding where he can take advantage based on his position (is important).” Hooboy. And wow. And yikes. Reading between the words isn’t required to interrupt what Washington was saying, right? Understanding situations … Process very, very quickly. … Play ahead of the play. If it reads to you as if Washington wants Oliver to do more video study and be more committed to during-the-week preparation in order to perform better in games – that was 100% my lean once I transcribed the quote.’ https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/ryan-ohalloran-to-hear-bills-tell-it-ed-olivers-final-chance-to-earn-long-term/article_cc3f0636-009a-11ee-8d28-c3fb3d9ee3df.html 3 1 1 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Obviously Ed needs to continue improving and that is what he's saying Ed needs to improve. No hoo boy's needed IMO 1 2 13 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 So he's an idiot who rely's on his physical skills...great 1 2 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Sure, finally figure it out and go get paid the mega-deal elsewhere. I can live with that if it means he tore it up this year on his way to a special season. Rinse and repeat. 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 I think "reading between the lines (maybe)" to "interpret" what is being said is that the Coach doesn't believe the player is playing as smart as he wishes based on his physical talent. That whether the player needs to study and prepare better, or that the player is not smart enough to grasp what must be accomplished. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 There’s no question this is Oliver’s year to prove he deserves a big 2nd contract. We’ll see what he does with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 For all the excuses in college why he didn’t have productive numbers, he’s been the same player in the NFL. Let’s see if he can an Edmunds type breakout year. I like that the Bills are putting some pressure on him to elevate his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted June 2, 2023 Author Share Posted June 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: Obviously Ed needs to continue improving and that is what he's saying Ed needs to improve. No hoo boy's needed IMO He’s saying he’s basically a moron (or at least plays like a moron on the football field). 2 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 As I read the comments, Washington essentially is saying that Oliver needs to prepare better--or, put simply, do his homework. It's kind of like reading the textbook in a class you're taking. It's funny how things are a lot easier and make a lot more sense if one actually bothers to read the book. Seems like the same concept here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 should not surprise anyone. i mean, he had athletic traits out of control since the day we drafted him, and has had flashes but is simply not very productive. that more or less leaves his mentality/brains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 (edited) I think the comments encapsulate why the draft is a crap shoot. All of these guys are athletically gifted coming out of college and most were that way their entire life. But when they turn professional they don’t all understand what kind of commitment is required to be good at your craft. And as pretty much any employer will tell you, the same can be said for just about every other college major as well. Edited June 2, 2023 by SoCal Deek 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 problem is there isn't much from the neck up... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Dummy who relies on physical skills. Thats what I heard said very diplomatically. What appears to be another example of Beane and Company’s poor record of drafting D line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: ,“Just continue to play the game as much as possible from the neck up. When you have the kind of talent Ed has, you have to understand situations that could mean the difference between separating yourself from the opponent (and saying), ‘I have to able to process very, very quickly so I can win my one-on-one so I can play ahead of the play as opposed to playing with the sequence of that particular play.’ “With Ed, from an experience standpoint, we need him to play ahead as opposed to with the tempo of the play so (understanding) situations, certain nuances with certain calls and understanding where he can take advantage based on his position (is important).” Hooboy. And wow. And yikes. Reading between the words isn’t required to interrupt what Washington was saying, right? Understanding situations … Process very, very quickly. … Play ahead of the play. If it reads to you as if Washington wants Oliver to do more video study and be more committed to during-the-week preparation in order to perform better in games – that was 100% my lean once I transcribed the quote.’ https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/ryan-ohalloran-to-hear-bills-tell-it-ed-olivers-final-chance-to-earn-long-term/article_cc3f0636-009a-11ee-8d28-c3fb3d9ee3df.html What I'm reading is he just doesn't anticipate the play the way he should and think about what to do before the play comes to him. He can study all he wants, studying won't help if he doesn't react in time or ahead of time. I'm sure he's also told Oliver the same. Edited June 2, 2023 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: ,“Just continue to play the game as much as possible from the neck up. When you have the kind of talent Ed has, you have to understand situations that could mean the difference between separating yourself from the opponent (and saying), ‘I have to able to process very, very quickly so I can win my one-on-one so I can play ahead of the play as opposed to playing with the sequence of that particular play.’ “With Ed, from an experience standpoint, we need him to play ahead as opposed to with the tempo of the play so (understanding) situations, certain nuances with certain calls and understanding where he can take advantage based on his position (is important).” Hooboy. And wow. And yikes. Reading between the words isn’t required to interrupt what Washington was saying, right? Understanding situations … Process very, very quickly. … Play ahead of the play. If it reads to you as if Washington wants Oliver to do more video study and be more committed to during-the-week preparation in order to perform better in games – that was 100% my lean once I transcribed the quote.’ https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/ryan-ohalloran-to-hear-bills-tell-it-ed-olivers-final-chance-to-earn-long-term/article_cc3f0636-009a-11ee-8d28-c3fb3d9ee3df.html It’s doesn’t appear to be a vote of confidence but you never know why coaches say things publicly. They often use it as an opportunity to challenge players knowing it will get back to them - so the video study definitely makes sense. The most disappointing thing about Oliver is that the three DT’s that we passed on have greatly outplayed him in Lawrence, Simmons and Wilkins. Unless he breaks out, Ed is going to have to sign a contract that greatly dwarfs what those 3 make. At least we didn’t draft Jerry Tillery 😭 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 53 minutes ago, eball said: There’s no question this is Oliver’s year to prove he deserves a big 2nd contract. We’ll see what he does with it. If he does have a good year I still don't expect the Bills to pony up the money required to keep him. I think the Bills want to get bigger at that spot moving forward. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 I interpret it as him saying that sometimes he's late to the line and slow off the snap. Which he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Simon said: I interpret it as him saying that sometimes he's late to the line and slow off the snap. Which he is. If so, seems like that is something you could fix, but it's puzzling it hasn't happened by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Sounds like his next contract will have a film study clause…, it has a certain Arizona QB ring to it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Oliver has been a massive disappointment plain and simple 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 (edited) My perspective is he's not processing the game fast enough and anticipating the play. The more notable aspect given the Bills' culture is Washington publicly making these statements. I have to believe there's been a lot of coaching effort and now a lot of frustration with Ed's ability to play the game at a high enough level. I'm not sure the Bills should even award the big contract if he has a monster year. I would question his motivation after getting it. Edited June 2, 2023 by GaryPinC 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Ray Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Ed Oliver actually is really scientifically smart. He knows all about ions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Augie said: Sure, finally figure it out and go get paid the mega-deal elsewhere. I can live with that if it means he tore it up this year on his way to a special season. Rinse and repeat. I agree with this for a few reasons. 1. Ed seems like the type that is motivated by a payday to me. I think he will have an amazing season. We sure could use it this year. 2. Better he plays the higher his next contract will be and there's a chance that won't come from Bills. Beane seems to be leaning into the comp pick game and Ed could fetch a high one with a great year. 3. I'm not 100% sold on Oliver being the type that gets a big deal and plays up to it. I think there's a good chance he's one of the ones that gets paid and gets complacent. I predict that whatever and wherever he lands his 2nd contract...he won't live up to the price. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Reminds me of when Frazier said Edmunds needs to make more impact plays. I imagine we won’t be paying Ed if he’s more of the same next season. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 This is Ed’s opportunity to get paid real money. Let’s see if he takes advantage of it. He has the physical skills to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 (edited) Nobody who owns and rides horses is dumb, it's just not possible. It's true, Google it. Hopefully Oliver will be motivated by the prospect of a new contract, but I don't see it happening here. Edited June 2, 2023 by TheFunPolice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Seeya Ed, was nice having you here but I don't expect you back after this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Sounds like the coach is calling him too dumb, which is kind of mean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 37 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: If so, seems like that is something you could fix, but it's puzzling it hasn't happened by now. Not to mention, I thought getting off the line was supposed to be his strength when he was drafted. Doesn’t seem to have consistently translated to the NFL for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: Obviously Ed needs to continue improving and that is what he's saying Ed needs to improve. No hoo boy's needed IMO "needs to improve?" He's not a rookie you know! Move on from this guy if possible, especially if we can fool someone into giving us something for him. Sounds like he's an incredibly unintelligent person, which wouldn't exactly be unique in the NFL. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Very telling about Ed. Then again, I don’t see any success stories on Eric Washington developing any of these DL players. Maybe Rousseau? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: "needs to improve?" He's not a rookie you know! Move on from this guy if possible, especially if we can fool someone into giving us something for him. Sounds like he's an incredibly unintelligent person, which wouldn't exactly be unique in the NFL. He didn’t get a big contract from the bills for a reason you want to move on now? In a contract year lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 Everything that made Kyle Williams a very good player is what is holding back Ed. Kyle learned how to read the key indicators being presented by the opponent and use them to his advantage. Things like what kind of stance an opponent is in, if he leaning forward or back or tilted slightly in a direction, what a man in motion means on the play and how that changes where the ball might go, etc. etc. It's not that Ed is too dumb to pick that up, and its not that he's not studying film (he wouldn't play if he didn't), its more that he has not made it to the advanced levels of studying film that give some of these guys an edge. Being "late" when you're "light" more often than not spells trouble post-snap. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, eball said: There’s no question this is Oliver’s year to prove he deserves a big 2nd contract. We’ll see what he does with it. Wouldn't be the first time a player puts it all together in a contract year and then goes back to his prior production after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: ,“Just continue to play the game as much as possible from the neck up. When you have the kind of talent Ed has, you have to understand situations that could mean the difference between separating yourself from the opponent (and saying), ‘I have to able to process very, very quickly so I can win my one-on-one so I can play ahead of the play as opposed to playing with the sequence of that particular play.’ “With Ed, from an experience standpoint, we need him to play ahead as opposed to with the tempo of the play so (understanding) situations, certain nuances with certain calls and understanding where he can take advantage based on his position (is important).” Hooboy. And wow. And yikes. Reading between the words isn’t required to interrupt what Washington was saying, right? Understanding situations … Process very, very quickly. … Play ahead of the play. If it reads to you as if Washington wants Oliver to do more video study and be more committed to during-the-week preparation in order to perform better in games – that was 100% my lean once I transcribed the quote.’ https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/ryan-ohalloran-to-hear-bills-tell-it-ed-olivers-final-chance-to-earn-long-term/article_cc3f0636-009a-11ee-8d28-c3fb3d9ee3df.html I’m not sure what he’s saying about Oliver. That is some really awful coach-speak. Impenetrable, to me, at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 50 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: If so, seems like that is something you could fix, but it's puzzling it hasn't happened by now. He's absolutely gotten better at it but there are still instances where he's late getting into and out of his set and it puts him behind the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 I don’t think it’s that bad. He should be called and he should want to be. He is playing for major money. He should welcome any advice that can help him reach his goal. personally, I think he is just too undersized and his physical tools that got him to nfl just aren’t elite enough to make him special. He is a gap stopping, rotational DT. Plenty of value but not worth that much to use and certainly doesn’t live up to his draft selection. Not a bust but a disappointment for sure. 17 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: "needs to improve?" He's not a rookie you know! Move on from this guy if possible, especially if we can fool someone into giving us something for him. Sounds like he's an incredibly unintelligent person, which wouldn't exactly be unique in the NFL. Love when posters on a message board question the intelligence of a person they have never met. Very smart. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 HOOOOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 1 hour ago, JohnNord said: It’s doesn’t appear to be a vote of confidence but you never know why coaches say things publicly. They often use it as an opportunity to challenge players knowing it will get back to them - so the video study definitely makes sense. The most disappointing thing about Oliver is that the three DT’s that we passed on have greatly outplayed him in Lawrence, Simmons and Wilkins. Unless he breaks out, Ed is going to have to sign a contract that greatly dwarfs what those 3 make. At least we didn’t draft Jerry Tillery 😭 I really doubt he said this as a method to motivate the guy. if my HC’s motivational methods included thinly disguised shots at his players during public press comments…I would fire him because he’s a bad coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 2, 2023 Share Posted June 2, 2023 42 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Reminds me of when Frazier said Edmunds needs to make more impact plays. I imagine we won’t be paying Ed if he’s more of the same next season. Consistency is how biggest issue. He'll pay two, maybe three fantastic games every season, then he plays mediocre ball for half of the rest and disappears altogether for the others. I would think that he would have to play an absolutely monster season for us to pay him what some other team will otherwise. Who's sees that happening. I guess Oliver becoming the next Aaron Donald has officially been put to bed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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