Looks like Poyer is more than willing to leave and play for Miami of all places.

[Bills!Win!]

Poyer was one of my favorite bills. If he joins an afc east rival then he becomes hated 

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, JimBob2232 said:

https://www.hodgsonruss.com/media/publication/434_How States Handle Signing Bonuses for Athletes.pdf

 

This is a very interesting article.  BLUF - it appears that signing bonuses are taxed based on your residency at the time they are paid.  So an athlete with residence in florida will not pay tax on a signing bonus.   Interesting....they even use a NY example in this article with court cases to support it. 

 

Intresting.  Im sure NFL players, teams and their agents and CPAs are all over the legalities of htis.

 

When a player has his contract "restructured" it's paid out as a signing bonus.

Now we know why all players like them.

 

Thanks for the info.

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Texas and Nevada are also states that have no state income tax and “better” weather than Buffalo.  Vegas and Houston currently have the 3rd and 5th most salary cap space.  Miami has the 25th most.  Just sayin…

Miami also has some of the nicest beaches and nightlife in America and Poyer has a wife that's built for that lifestyle.

Edited February 25, 2023 by billsbackto81

[BillsFan2313]

1 hour ago, uticaclub said:

The dolphins almost beat us Wild Card round with a 3rd string QB and then we were embarassed the next round. Miami still has a QB under a rookie contract, who if can stay healthy (he probably won’t) will be in a position to overtake the division from us. 

 

Their win steak, that had a huge impact on them even sniffing the playoffs were against very bad teams. I don't feel like looking up the win totals. Tua has 1 year left of a "cheap" contract, his cap hit is 23 million in 2024 and the Dolphins don't even know if he is the future QB. 

[Matt_In_NH]

4 hours ago, TheWeatherMan said:

This would be true only if rich people didn’t have tax professionals on their payroll who know how to exploit the code to where they pay less tax than an E-1 in the military.  No I’m not kidding.  My active duty Navy cousin paid $1,300 to the federal government and $600 to the state.  

You seem to be arguing against yourself.   

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, nbbillsfan said:

Buffalo is always in a tough spot recruiting. Taxes are real. Often the high tax teams  (CA teams, NYC, ect) come with mitigating factors such as weather, big market, “quality of life”, ect.

 

Buffalo, unfortunately, has the taxes without some of the offsets. Always going to be a challenge to recruit.

Completely disagree. Which FAs that we really wanted have we missed out on? According to that logic, why aren’t Miami, the Chargers, and the jets/ giants getting all these great FAs?

 

and Poyer will go wherever he gets the most money. I mean they live near Miami so it would make sense. But it’s a cash grab and I don’t blame him. It was great FA signing, respect the guy a lot, but i trust McDermott and company to find a good S for much, much cheaper.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

Would be great if that’s the plan… I have a hard time believing they won’t be targeting a Safety late in round 1. 

Well that would be beyond awful. Given where we got Poyer/ Hyde and where they were drafted, safety shouldn’t be a high pick unless you are guaranteeing Polmalu or Ed Reed.

[Process]

Players in FL still pay state taxes in every other state they play in. Sure they will save a decent amount, but it's not like they completely avoid state tax.

 

His comment on the weather, it is what it is and what it always will be. The weather in Bufalo is ****ing miserable 7 months of the year. He's right, we go weeks without seeing the sun. 

 

If I was a young multi millionaire with no connection to the city, no way I'd voluntarily play here unless it came with more $$$. That's coming from someone who has lived here me my whole life and won't be leaving anytime soon. 

 

It's why we had to give a 34 year old a $120M contract. It's just how it is. 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

They're ALL aging. That's life.

 

But, Poyer will be 32.  That's aging too much, at least for someone seeking a new contract.

 

id give him a 2 year deal if that’s what it takes. I understand at this point it probably won’t happen. 
 

I just wish more fans appreciated him a bit more

[julian]

6 weeks ago it was widely understood Bills wouldn’t be paying an older banged up safety big dollars and most were fine with this roster approach.

 

 Now the narrative for some is he wants to play for a contender(MIA lol) and doesn’t want to play for this inept coaching staff.

 

Can’t make this ***** up.

[stevestojan]

3 minutes ago, Process said:

Players in FL still pay state taxes in every other state they play in. Sure they will save a decent amount, but it's not like they completely avoid state tax.

 

His comment on the weather, it is what it is and what it always will be. The weather in Bufalo is ****ing miserable 7 months of the year. He's right, we go weeks without seeing the sun. 

 

If I was a young multi millionaire with no connection to the city, no way I'd voluntarily play here unless it came with more $$$. That's coming from someone who has lived here me my whole life and won't be leaving anytime soon. 

 

It's why we gave a 34 year old a $120M contract. 

Exactly.
 

I moved out of Buffalo 20 years ago.  I’ve lived in 7 different cities (for work) since then. Every time I go back to Buffalo, I love it. But I love it because it’s still “home” for me, the people are great and the food is “Buffalo great” (let’s be honest, we have the best Pizza - and one of the places I’ve lived was Hoboken, so I had NYC pizza regularly) but WNY doesn’t have truly excellent cuisine, with few exceptions. 
 

I love Buffalo for those reasons. But I go home once a year - for thanksgiving week. And every time I’m reminded of yes the cold, snow, and slush. And none of those bother me too much. Why I’ll never be able to move back is the gray. The gloom. That week in thanksgiving puts me in a funk as the overcast gloomy gray kills me. And that lasts for 75% of the time from early October to march-ish. 
 

That said, I’m 43, married, and don’t have tens of millions of dollars. If i was 31 with more money than most and I had no real connection to Buffalo, I’d be calling the Raiders, the Dolphins, the Rams, the Chargers, the 9ers (I was in SF two weeks ago, believe me, it’s not all the 10 blocks of the Tenderloin district that they always show on tv), hell, even the Broncos. 
 

He’s still young and despite being married to a monster, has to be considering where we really wants to live and the lifestyle those areas bring. 

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't know enough about the US tax system though to really understand whether it is significant.

 

Now you've done it. Two things you never bring up on an American forum - taxes and tipping.

[brianthomas]

BILLS made their choice of extending Hyde vs Poyer. Now Poyer walks because i can't see us paying top dollar to 2 safeties over 30.

If he goes to Miami then so be it. But can you imagine if Miami picks up Bobby Wagner too? What a boost that defense could have.

[thenorthremembers]

Thankful for Poyer's time here.  Hes been a very good player for the team.   That said, things like these are the reason I don't cheer for individual players or wear jerseys.   

 

In 50 years people will know who the Buffalo Bills are.  They will have no clue who Jordan Poyer is.

 

If you don't want to be here...see ya.

[Buffalo Boy]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Poyer is walking because he thinks Miami is better than Buffalo. He is walking because the Bills don't want to pay him. 

I can’t blame the Bills for this.

We all loved watching the Pats do their thing and refusing to overpay was one of their things.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, uticaclub said:

I think a lot of the players are sick of McDermott’s shtick and know it’s not Championship caliber, why take a discount for that?

 

Players don't take discounts for any reason. There is no such thing as a player taking a hometown discount. Here's what the man himself said:

 

"Figure out a way," you can guess what he means. He's chasing one last big contract. The Bills understandably don't want to give it to him.

 

On one hand I feel bad for Poyer. No one could ever accuse him of making business decisions in games. You could easily argue that he was underpaid relative to the level of play he gave us in his time here. He might feel a little bitter especially with his wife and his agent constantly in his ear.

 

But by the end of the season you could see that he is slowing down. In the divisional round he was legitimately awful and I think personally responsible for the first two TDs the Bengals scored. Some team with a QB on a rookie deal can afford to pay him more than he should get based on his age. The Dolphins could make sense. For the Bills we have to rebalance the resources spent on offense versus the resources spent on defense. Letting Poyer go at his age is an easy decision in that context, even moreso than Edmunds.

[T master]

Well when your getting ready to retire a lot of them either go to Fl. or Az. & he's closer to the end than the beginning of his career & has been a good player for the Bills but i think it's time to move on start getting the next generation in Buffalo to keep it rolling .

 

Thanks for the memory's Po have fun in your next destination ... GO BILLS !!!! 

[Simon Says]

4 hours ago, nosejob said:

I may be in the minority here, but I'd love to have one more year of him and Hyde.....if he hasn't already made up his mind. 2 yr. 14 mil. ?

A good chunk in signing bonus with a fairly small cap hit this year and a playing time clause that could void the 2nd yr.? IDK

I'm assuming several teams would easily beat that offer.

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

Nope…it’s still a qb league

 

again poyer wouldn’t make the difference for Miami

Then what happened to the Bills who have Allen? 

 

It looks like Tua is a difference maker on that Dolphin team. For awhile he was the leading candidate for MVP.

 

Are you implying he can lead the way past the Bills? 

[ColoradoBills]

31 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

BILLS made their choice of extending Hyde vs Poyer. Now Poyer walks because i can't see us paying top dollar to 2 safeties over 30.

If he goes to Miami then so be it. But can you imagine if Miami picks up Bobby Wagner too? What a boost that defense could have.

 

So, you were for letting Hyde walk after the 2021 season?  I'm willing to bet you were not.

Hyde signed a 5-year deal with a 2-year extension and Poyer signed a 4-year deal with a 2-year extension.

 

Hyde will not be on the team after this season.  They both were great but it's a dollar thing no matter what some people think.

I'm not b-wording you, but this board is contorting itself into pretzels at every little thing.

[newcam2012]

5 hours ago, nucci said:

and Fangio is a great DC

Absolutely. I would have loved to see him come to Buffalo. Change up the scheme and utilize the players to their max. 

 

Instead, we have. Fraizer led defense with a failed scheme come playoff time.

 

Fans here will point to the regular season stats and be fooled that the defense is above average to great. 

 

History has a way to repeat itself. 

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think Poyer is walking because he thinks Miami is better than Buffalo. He is walking because the Bills don't want to pay him. 

I agree with you there.

 

Point being, I don't think Poyer chooses a team that doesn't have a solid path to compete for a Lombardi Trophy. 

 

I believe he sees Miami as a team that's on the cusp of something special. Or at the very least a team that can compete and beat the Bills for the division. 

[Fan in Chicago]

2 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Texas and Nevada are also states that have no state income tax and “better” weather than Buffalo.  Vegas and Houston currently have the 3rd and 5th most salary cap space.  Miami has the 25th most.  Just sayin…

Yea but there are way too many temptations to spend the money in Vegas. (Beyond a certain point) it's never about how much you earn but about how much you save. The off-season is an awfully long and boring time for such athletes. Vegas may be fine for those who have a home away from that town

[Beast]

Adios. Thanks for the memories.

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

Adios. Thanks for the memories.

Yup.

[uticaclub]

34 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Yea but there are way too many temptations to spend the money in Vegas. (Beyond a certain point) it's never about how much you earn but about how much you save. The off-season is an awfully long and boring time for such athletes. Vegas may be fine for those who have a home away from that town

Summerlin & Henderson are excellent places to live, much better than many places in my former homes of CA & NY. Vegas being all sin is a myth. Much bigger bang for your buck as far as housing goes too. And that includes Buffalo. 

Edited February 25, 2023 by uticaclub

[78thealltimegreat]

Teams lose key free agents all the time the Eagles are about to lose arguably their best defensive lineman in Jevon Hargrove. The Cowboys literally are going to have no running backs at the start of free agency with Pollard leaving and Zeke getting cut. I

Such is life in the NFL.

Jordan was one of the guys who came to this team to start the turnaround but he’s ready to move on it happens. 

[bobobonators]

Think of all the plastic his wife/GF can get in Miami - the Mecca of plastic. Her butt will be coming out of her neck within 3yrs. 

[Big Turk]

7 hours ago, eball said:

 

No one does.  It’s the most ridiculous code in existence.

 

 

It's intentional.. they were not stupid...they designed a system so complicated the average American has no idea all of the loopholes that exist, but be sure all the millionaires and billionaires do and take full advantage of them.  The system was designed for them to keep their wealth.

 

 

In regards to Poyer...Always get rid of a player a year too early than a year too late.  Belichick was the master of it and it almost always worked to his advantage.

Edited February 25, 2023 by Big Turk

[TampaBillsJunkie]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think that is what is happening with Poyer, but the general point is one I have wondered about too. I don't know enough about the US tax system though to really understand whether it is significant.

As a resident of New York, California and Florida, I can say that not having state income taxes can save you a lot of money. Also when housing taxes are lower, it makes a difference. All money being equal, you get a lot more bang for the buck in Florida.

[hmsmystic]

I don't understand how any of this is a thing

1) Poyer is a free agent

2) He is supposed to do things to drum up is own value- this is likely his last contract

3) He and his wife are from Florida I think-maybe they want to go home?

4) No offense to Buffalo, but if you are not from there it may not seem a great place to move-I myself prefer palm trees to snow

5) The Bills likely love him but are tight on $$-if he can get a big pay day it's likely elsewhere

[TheWeatherMan]

3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

You seem to be arguing against yourself.   

Care to explain why?  

[Matt_In_NH]

8 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Care to explain why?  

You talk about how a rich person can have someone on their payroll can avoid paying taxes then describe an ordinary person paying next to nothing in taxes.  
 

And sure there are things athletes can do to lessen tax burden involving starting businesses and whatnot but they pay plenty. And playing for a team in a state with no income tax does attract athletes.  It’s well known, agents sell it, teams sell it and players know it.  It is considered when comparing offers you can bank that. 

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think that is what is happening with Poyer, but the general point is one I have wondered about too. I don't know enough about the US tax system though to really understand whether it is significant.

 

Some states tax systems use sales and income tax as primary revenue and others use others ways including fees.

 

I always thought a team in Delaware like the Dover Deluge would have a financial competitive advantage since NFL does not care anymore if you cut number of spectators you sell tickets to any more.  Lots of corporations to buy PSLs and boxes too.  Probably large number of visiting team fans but mostly quiet.

[Augie]

7 hours ago, prissythecat said:

this is an overly simplistic analysis.  players get taxed based on where each football game is.  so if a dolphin team member plays 9 games in states where the tax is not zero, they will have a considerable tax bill still.

 

This is also why you have an agent and somebody knowledgeable doing your taxes. Imagine being a MLB, NHL or NBA player and sorting all that out. What implications, if any, do international games have? 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

No state income tax just means they raise revenue in a different way. Property, sales tax etc.

NFL players pay tax on money where it is earned. So when/if he plays in NY and NJ with the Dolphins he's still paying tax on those earnings.

[Jerome007]

4 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Miami also has some of the nicest beaches and nightlife in America and Poyer has a wife that's built for that lifestyle.

I'm sure there's nothing that a husband would enjoy more  than his wife 'living the nightlife' 🙃

 

Safeties are not paid that well, for the NFL that is, not 'real life'. And he is 32, it doesn't help. But it's crazy how Poyer and Hyde were such a force. Almost no deep plays happened or confusion in the coverage since they have been here,

[uticaclub]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Players don't take discounts for any reason. There is no such thing as a player taking a hometown discount. Here's what the man himself said:

 

"Figure out a way," you can guess what he means. He's chasing one last big contract. The Bills understandably don't want to give it to him.

 

On one hand I feel bad for Poyer. No one could ever accuse him of making business decisions in games. You could easily argue that he was underpaid relative to the level of play he gave us in his time here. He might feel a little bitter especially with his wife and his agent constantly in his ear.

 

But by the end of the season you could see that he is slowing down. In the divisional round he was legitimately awful and I think personally responsible for the first two TDs the Bengals scored. Some team with a QB on a rookie deal can afford to pay him more than he should get based on his age. The Dolphins could make sense. For the Bills we have to rebalance the resources spent on offense versus the resources spent on defense. Letting Poyer go at his age is an easy decision in that context, even moreso than Edmunds.

Every player is different. It was widely speculated that Milano took less money to stay in Buffalo because we were building something special. Fast forward a few years, what we built was nice, but its far from the nicest house on the block. The luster of the process is gone. I’m not even mad Poyer is leaving and we have no idea what was said behind the scenes. 

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

I don’t think that he could say any more than what he already did in the following article.

 

https://www.thephinsider.com/2023/2/24/23614259/does-jordan-poyer-want-to-play-for-the-miami-dolphins-tua-tagovailoa-mike-mcdaniel-buffalo-bills

 

 

1) Would rather pay as little tax as possible.

2) Likes warm weather.

3) Likes Tua.

 

Yeah? So? The article says nothing. Does it say he doesn't like guys on the Bills?

 

Poyer lives in Florida. Specifically in Lauderdale-by-the-Sea, according to the Internet.

 

This all clearly adds up to the fact that he likes money and warm weather. Having friends somewhere doesn't mean he wants to play there. But he has nothing against it. Why would he?

 

I'd say this is a nothingburger but it's less than that. There's not even a burger there.

 

He'd be open to playing  Miami. Duh. Why not? He'll go wherever everything lines up most nicely for him. Probably 90% of that will be money. 

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Why get butthurt about a player wanting to get paid and be in nice weather? I’ve moved for more money and better weather before. No one criticized me. In fact, many complimented my decision to do what was best for my career. Poyer’s only obligation is to his family. His family lives in South Florida. If he has a chance to play for the Dolphins and get paid, it makes a lot of sense. 

[noacls]

Overrated,  BYE!