Yantha Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Miller's injury is a tough one to bounce back from to the level we expect at his price tag. I hope he recovers to 100%, but at age 33, is that likely? As much as we've invested in defense via the draft, plus our obvious need on the OL, will we be needing a Von Miller "replacement"? Draft/FA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Can't do it. There will be no "replacement" for him. They'll just hold out in the hopes he returns healthy, probably re-sign Lawson, and ride it out. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Tre White wan't himself after a year....tried to play into form, but could run like he did before. Miller at 33......not going to be a contributor in 23 imho. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Greg Rousseau has to step up and be the player they drafted him to be. He’s the key. 5 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I think we do. I like Lawson, but he's not the answer. Then we have AJ and Basham. We need some Juice off the edge until Von is ready. Also need to keep in mind, there is an out after yr 3 for Von. Basically we have Groot and then average guys. I AM NOT saying 1st rnd... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 We are stuck with von for now, and I expect it to feel exactly like that. Fix the o-line and hope the d is serviceable for a season or 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Beane will be forced to take an EDGE at 27. Pass Rush needs serious help 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I genuinely believe that by Christmas time Von will be as good as ever 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Although I am most definitely in the stack the offense camp, if the right prospect is available that could turn into Von Miller's successor, the Bills may have to take him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Beane will be forced to take an EDGE at 27. Pass Rush needs serious help Not a chance can they whiff on another edge rusher. They tried to fix the D line over multiple years and failed miserably. Fix the freaking oline and get Josh some weapons. The entire success of the 2023 season will ride on the offense. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 We’re pretty much stuck with the guys we have. Hope for the best. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We’re pretty much stuck with the guys we have. Hope for the best. Or even less without Edmunds & Poyer. Hope for the best is right. Does Hyde pass a physical with his neck issue, any one know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: Or even less without Edmunds & Poyer. Hope for the best is right. Does Hyde pass a physical with his neck issue, any one know? Hyde said he was cleared to play the AFC championship game. I’m not worried about him. He’s sort a QB of the defense just having him out there will be a boost, even if he lost a step. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 59 minutes ago, Yantha said: Miller's injury is a tough one to bounce back from to the level we expect at his price tag. I hope he recovers to 100%, but at age 33, is that likely? As much as we've invested in defense via the draft, plus our obvious need on the OL, will we be needing a Von Miller "replacement"? Draft/FA? Outside of Beane trading down, I'm not sure how the Bills expect to have enough picks to invest more into the Defensive Line with draft picks. Round 1 Oliver Round 1 Rousseau Round 2 Epenesa Round 2 Basham FA Miller How much more investment does there need to be? Coach these guys up. Impact pass rushers are hard to find in Late Round 1, let alone in the middle rounds. Resign Lawson, and go with what you have. Same as running back. Sorry, not enough resources to try and get a better room there, with huge needs at OL, WR, S and probably LB as Edmunds is supposed to test FA. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Yantha said: Miller's injury is a tough one to bounce back from to the level we expect at his price tag. I hope he recovers to 100%, but at age 33, is that likely? As much as we've invested in defense via the draft, plus our obvious need on the OL, will we be needing a Von Miller "replacement"? Draft/FA? Anyone expecting Von to be himself out the gate would be foolish. But at the same time, its not impossible either that Von could still be good for us this year assuming he remains healthy. But admittedly, expecting someone turning 34 in this next season to be who they were is already a tall ask, asking them to do it after an ACL tear is even a bigger ask. That being said, its a lot different than Tre. With a CB, the offense directly attacks that player in the passing game. With a DE, they just want to prevent him from disrupting the play. So its quite reasonable that Von will still garner some reasonable attention from the opposing team that could benefit the other players on the DL in their opportunities to disrupt the play. So Von just being out there can still positively impact the team, where as a CB who is slow to react and doesn't have the explosiveness back yet like Tre dealt with this year is a much bigger liability for the defense. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Bills will have to make do with who they have. If Beane loves him some Edmunds and/or Oliver then absolutely no money for a rush end. Maybe he uses the 1st on an end while the offense sputters? My prediction is that Frazier/McDermott will be loath to adjust scheme and personnel but ultimately will have to as they are not going to get consistent pressure with the four they're able to field - at least not until Miller comes back 90%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, bigK14094 said: Tre White wan't himself after a year....tried to play into form, but could run like he did before. Miller at 33......not going to be a contributor in 23 imho. Everyone responds different At this point we can just hope for the best What I do know is the way Von was able to bend that corner and get home on QBs was a thing of beauty. If anyone can come back to top form quickly it's him. Alot of pass rushers excel into their 30s.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) I'm not expecting freak Von early in the year, and we should definitely manage his snaps to make sure he's fresh when we need him, but I agree with those who think Von will be a force off the edge for us for the next two years. I'm not concerned about him at all. Now Tre'Davious White on the other hand.. I've got my fingers crossed, but Von and Hyde.. I'm not too concerned. Edited February 20, 2023 by SCBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 hour ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Beane will be forced to take an EDGE at 27. Pass Rush needs serious help Wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Man with No Name Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 hours ago, arcane said: I genuinely believe that by Christmas time Von will be as good as ever i agree. he is a freak athlete, and those guys are just built differently. I'd prefer to not see him until close to christmas. we just need 4 great games from him. that's it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 51 minutes ago, SCBills said: I'm not expecting freak Von early in the year, and we should definitely manage his snaps to make sure he's fresh when we need him, but I agree with those who think Von will be a force off the edge for us for the next two years. I'm not concerned about him at all. Now Tre'Davious White on the other hand.. I've got my fingers crossed, but Von and Hyde.. I'm not too concerned. Sadly all it takes is one snap and he is back on the bench. This whole manage the snaps thing is total BS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 32 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Sadly all it takes is one snap and he is back on the bench. This whole manage the snaps thing is total BS. Agreed. How much money per snap is my question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Von’s ACL did not even show up on an MRI, it was only found during an exploratory. I’m hoping that’s a good sign. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said: Greg Rousseau has to step up and be the player they drafted him to be. He’s the key. The only time Greg (doesn't deserve a nickname)Rousseau looked halfway decent was when Von was on the field. If Von is slow getting up to speed like Tre then we're screwed. AJE & Basham are worthless and Shaq helps with run support and that's it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 54 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Von’s ACL did not even show up on an MRI, it was only found during an exploratory. I’m hoping that’s a good sign. This ................... some reason to be optimistic. Not sure how we get it but I'm of the idea our pass rush doesn't drop QB's like some other teams because our DT's aren't playing in the backfield as much as some other teams. If we could trade out Oliver for Payne to play beside Jones that would be a pretty formidable combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: This ................... some reason to be optimistic. Not sure how we get it but I'm of the idea our pass rush doesn't drop QB's like some other teams because our DT's aren't playing in the backfield as much as some other teams. If we could trade out Oliver for Payne to play beside Jones that would be a pretty formidable combination. I think one of the biggest, hidden problems with our pass rush is staring the scheme right in the face. The rotation concept is clearly not working. Put your best DEs on the field and let them get a good long sequence of plays under their belt. It takes that repetition to set up the opposing lineman for an inside swim move, straight up bull rush, or outside bending move. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Outside of Beane trading down, I'm not sure how the Bills expect to have enough picks to invest more into the Defensive Line with draft picks. Round 1 Oliver Round 1 Rousseau Round 2 Epenesa Round 2 Basham FA Miller How much more investment does there need to be? Coach these guys up. Impact pass rushers are hard to find in Late Round 1, let alone in the middle rounds. Resign Lawson, and go with what you have. Same as running back. Sorry, not enough resources to try and get a better room there, with huge needs at OL, WR, S and probably LB as Edmunds is supposed to test FA. It’s true, McBeane threw a mountainful of resources towards our DL since inception. Don’t forget DaQuon, Ed and Settle. All big money and/or resources. And mediocrity is all we have to show for it. I think if Leslie was given a young Bruce Smith we would have never heard of him. The linemen is Frazier’s D do what they are told. They do not read and react. This often leads to disasters…. I wish we had Wade Philips back as DC… but even he would need a year to get his boys here. Maybe more as our cap situation is very dire…. Remember that DL he built here? He brought in my second favorite Bill of all-time in Ted Washington. He drafted Marcellus Wiley (and even better, MLB Sam Cowart. And even better than that, Antoine Winfield.) He had an old but still relavent Bruse Smith. He had Hanson too I Billieve. Plus an up and coming Pat Washington…. Man, now that was a defense! Definitely the best D we have had in the modern era. I still can’t accept how stupid Tom Donahoe was…. Although it wasn’t his fault Sam Cowart was the victim of a severe cheap shot. Tom was incredibly stupid signing Lawson while letting both Winfield and Williams exit in FA…. I remember Marv Levy had major coordinator problems and couldn’t solve them either…. ah…. I’m thru ranting for awhile…. Our situation is very depressing though…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 hours ago, bigK14094 said: Tre White wan't himself after a year....tried to play into form, but could run like he did before. Miller at 33......not going to be a contributor in 23 imho. You can't just compare injuries like that. White had other meniscus damage around the knee. Miller was a simple straightforward ACL tear. Also at least half the battle of recovering is mental. It was clear a few months ago that White was held back by more than just the injury. McDermott danced around it as best he could, but White clearly lost his confidence during the rehab. Contrast with Hyde he was set to return from a major neck injury in unprecedented time. He wanted to get back on the field so he made it happen. I have no doubts Miller will handle his rehab like a pro and he has an easier injury to manage from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 have to hope our younger guys continue to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Yantha said: iMiller's injury is a tough one to bounce back from to the level we expect at his price tag. I hope he recovers to 100%, but at age 33, is that likely? As much as we've invested in defense via the draft, plus our obvious need on the OL, will we be needing a Von Miller "replacement"? Draft/FA? Honestly, this may be unpopular, but I think they need a new mind running the defense. Where is the creativity in the defense? It's too simple, no stunts, no disguise. Come playoff time, better coaches take Frazier's lunch money. How many years will this be the case before they make a change? Having a top five defense in the regular season has done nothing for them come playoff time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 6 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Beane will be forced to take an EDGE at 27. Pass Rush needs serious help Don't know that guy would be there at 27. But if McD feels the irresistible need for a first round linebacker to replace Edmunds, at least the guys he would likely be picking from can all get after the QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 People always talk about Von like he's an old man now. Had his play dropped off at all when he was healthy this past season? Reggie White was the same age when he was signed by Green Bay in the '90s. I think he played well for at least 4-5 years after that, and helped them win a SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I don’t think there are any more edge rushers coming to help this year. Basically hope the line is good enough to get us into the playoffs (it probably is), and hope Miller is one of those genetic freaks that can come back from an ACL and not miss a beat for the run at the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Bringing a veteran like Melvin Ingram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 (edited) 15 hours ago, Shortchaz said: We are stuck with von for now, and I expect it to feel exactly like that. Fix the o-line and hope the d is serviceable for a season or 2 yes. the best QBs have the ball out in 2 seconds so pass rush is largely irrelevant in the playoffs. put the $$ into the Offense Von Miller was the type of Shiny Object which either wins you a SB or blows up in your face. That's why I don't like those kind of moves. This one blew up in Beane's face. Should have stuck to the process: draft, grow, re-sign, Now he is stuck with a $20+m annual cap hit for years for a guy whose main strength is probably now gone. Chiefs have 12, yes 12 draft picks this year. Bills have 6. Not sure Bills catch up to them any more. thanks Heath Farwell, we had a shot at the crown and you sh-t the bed when it mattered most. Edited February 21, 2023 by ProcessTruster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Just get healthy. Rousseau, D. Jones, Oliver, and Miller would be a headache for opposing offenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Von is a physical freak, he will come back fine. He even stated he his surprised how great his knee is so soon after surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 5 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Bringing a veteran like Melvin Ingram Yeah I like this. Whenever he plays against us he wreaks havoc. Not much of a base end, but if he get out there on 3rd downs and rush the passer opposite Von, I think it helps and takes a little pressure off the rest of the guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Von MIller has a career in politics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 16 hours ago, In Summary said: Bills will have to make do with who they have. If Beane loves him some Edmunds and/or Oliver then absolutely no money for a rush end. Maybe he uses the 1st on an end while the offense sputters? My prediction is that Frazier/McDermott will be loath to adjust scheme and personnel but ultimately will have to as they are not going to get consistent pressure with the four they're able to field - at least not until Miller comes back 90%. What if the problem with the D line is Frazier and McDermott? Maybe the talent is good enough but they don’t scheme them to the best of their talents? I think the answer rests somewhere in between and it would have been nice if they were held accountable for their failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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