Panthers request to interview Dorsey for HC

[LeGOATski]

11 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

Funny.  I just told a friend that I'm still not sold on Dorsey as an OC though I'm hoping for future growth. 

 

Yet an NFL franchise thinks he's ready to be a HC.

He was with the Panthers already for 4 years (?)... They're very familiar with his resume, knowledge, and aspirations. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

He was with the Panthers already for 4 years (?)... They're very familiar with his resume, knowledge, and aspirations. 

 

They did fire him though according to Wiki

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Was thinking about this earlier.  Why is it not a rule to request interviews after a teams season is over, meaning teams in the playoffs cant have requested interviews until they are eliminated.  

It's about fairness to the candidates. The NFL has no right to restrict them. Although, the Bills could deny them.

[newcam2012]

I question the source Ian R talked to. I doubt this is authentic. No one moves up the ranks that fast except Jeff Saturday. 

[kkim0904]

Good luck.. Let him walk.

[Sierra Foothills]

I wonder if Dorsey's Miami Meltdown did anything to damage his viability as a head coaching candidate this offseason.

 

As far as if he moves on, don't forget the Bills have 4 former Offensive Coordinators still under contract, Rob Boras, Joe Brady, Mike Shula and Aaron Kromer.

 

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Bubba Gump said:

They are nuttier than Squirrel turds if they hire him. He is still adjusting to running an offense. He would be terrible as a HC this soon. 

We're 13-3 because of Josh, not any amazing innovative decisions by Dorsey. Way, way too early. Desperation breeds poor decisions. 

[Beck Water]

57 minutes ago, JimBob2232 said:

You 1,000 percent take the interview.  Even if you don’t get it that experience is worth it’s weight in gold later on. 

 

Oh I agree with you there.

 

2 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I wonder if Dorsey's Miami Meltdown did anything to damage his viability as a head coaching candidate this offseason.

 

As far as if he moves on, don't forget the Bills have 4 former Offensive Coordinators still under contract, Rob Boras, Joe Brady, Mike Shula and Aaron Kromer.

 

Please do not use the name Rob Boras and the term “offensive coordinator” as a title applying to that name near me.  At least give me a minute to leave the room and shut the door behind myself, or put on some good noise cancelling earbuds, first

30 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Was thinking about this earlier.  Why is it not a rule to request interviews after a teams season is over, meaning teams in the playoffs cant have requested interviews until they are eliminated.  

 

It was, and there were objections that it disadvantaged candidates from winning teams, so they changed it.

Edited January 10, 2023 by Beck Water

[appoo]

So, I think he has room to improve and grow, but I also think he deserves a bunch of credit for adjusting the system and play calling as his teams strengths and weaknesses changed on the fly, the Bills kept piling up points regardless. Yes, Allen has a ton to do with that, but Dorsey also had to adjust to a line that turned out to be not that good, WRs outside of Diggs that were hugely inconsistent, and RBs who went up and down.

 

It;s always so easy as fans to look at the gaqme and be like "play calling sucks" because things don't work out, but the Bills talent on O outside of Allen was not a top 5 roster, and they ended up being a top 2 offense.

 

I can absolutely see why teams are interested in Dorsey - especially when you consider he was Daboll trained, and look how well Daboll did in his first year

Edited January 10, 2023 by appoo

[US Egg]

If he goes, he goes.

 

It’s JA17 that matters.

[GETTOTHE50]

I won't miss ken 'give me shotgun, or give me death' Dorsey when he finally leaves.

 

I just want some snaps under center with pre snap motion, that does more than just involve Mckenzie running around in the back field like a chicken with his head cut off. 

 

 

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, DCofNC said:

Good for him, I hope he gets it.  The. I hope he turns the Panthers around, then I hope the fact we still have a defensive coach who can’t win a big game and we have given away two guys who turned teams around get him fired and we hire an offensive mind because it’s all that matters.

This is beyond nonsensical.

[Warcodered]

I think it's important to remember that that after failing in college football Kingsbury got an NFL HC job for at one point being Mahomes adjacent. 

[Bubba Gump]

2 hours ago, Mynamemike said:

Who knows if they bring in a veteran defensive coach and coordinators to help support him  I can see the intrigue.  Before this year he was highly thought of.  I’m alright with the idea of Brady taking the coordinator role next year. 

 

I wouldn't mind Brady either, actually.

[NewEra]

They know they won’t get a top name coach with their current QB situation.  They might as well give it a try with a young and upcoming coach that is hungry and wants the opportunity.  Maybe they’ll find a gold nugget as they wait for their QB. 

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

It's funny before McDermott I don't remember any bills coaches getting opportunities elsewhere. Especially for head coaching opportunities lol 

[wppete]

I’m surprised. 1st year OC doing a decent job. Maybe he could be a HC in the future and they want to get an early look at him?  

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

It's funny before McDermott I don't remember any bills coaches getting opportunities elsewhere. Especially for head coaching opportunities lol 

Pettine with the Browns comes to mind.  That had more to do with the Browns than Pettine's coaching acumen.  

[No_Matter_What]

This has to be some reverse form of Rooney rule lol

[Since1981]

Huh. Dorsey hasn’t proved much as supporting HC role. 
 

Beane is the guy that’s proven himself. Very impressive. Just this week, Smoke and Marlow??!!??  That’s crazy mentalist stuff right there. Glad there isn’t a title raise available outside. 

Edited January 10, 2023 by Since1981

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

LOL you don’t get to choose

 

I think McDermott feels Frazier deserves a shot, and Frazier feels he deserves a shot, but someone who is hiring a HC has to agree

 

I tend to agree with you

In fact, if I were Dorsey, I would be “No Thanks, More to Learn First”

 

but

 

There are only 32 of these jobs in the world, and people who eventually want one, tend to seize any offer they get

 

  Plus not like 1st time HCs have a high bar most are not very successful but the experience can be what made the good hc on their future teams.  So while Dorsey may even realize he would benefit by staying as oc  a bit longer he can learn hc responsibilities and perhaps he's not an x and o guy far as designing them.   It always will boil down to what they want and some of that is who you know too.  

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

I do think it is early but not shocked he gets looks. Especially in Carolina where he has history and Dan Morgan.

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We're 13-3 because of Josh, not any amazing innovative decisions by Dorsey. Way, way too early. Desperation breeds poor decisions. 

 

 

There are many reasons to request an interview with a potential candidate for a job.

 

One is that you have legitimate interest in having him possibly fill the job.

 

But there are others. Maybe you want to ask him questions about his current position, or how he's handling it, or how his current organization is functioning. Another might be that you want to vet him for a position down the road and let him know of your long-term interest in his career. There are plenty of others.

 

This is so early in Dorsey's OC term it seems weird that they would think of him as a legit HC candidate. HC positions are mostly about executive functioning, which Dorsey hasn't showed much of yet. I suppose it's possible they want him, but seems more likely to me they want to ask him some questions about something or possibly just vet him for down-the-line positions.

[davefan66]

4 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I question the source Ian R talked to. I doubt this is authentic. No one moves up the ranks that fast except Jeff Saturday. 

 He fits the current mold.  Young, offensive minded, didn’t toil behind others for too long.

 

Also, wouldn’t put it past teams to throw a wide net, inclusive of the “flavor of the month”.  That way, whomever they pick is perceived as the best of the lot.  I’d suggest these long lists are really short lists giving the illusion of due diligence.  

Edited January 10, 2023 by davefan66

[machine gun kelly]

Ok, now that’s out of the way.  Hey, he’ll get HC interviewing experience which can never hurt, and the likelihood of an OC for less than 1 year is unlikely.

 

Daboll OTH had lots of experience and was ready for the next step.  My guess is given there are usually 7 or so openings each year we’ll probably lose him in 1-2 years of the Bills continue to build up 12-13 wins a season on average.

 

Its a very nice compliment to him he’s getting noticed by other organizations.

[thenorthremembers]

Been saying it since early this year.   Was already in Carolina, has ties to Morgan from both playing with one another in Miami and being on staff in Buffalo.  Makes way too much sense.

[thenorthremembers]

5 hours ago, DCofNC said:

Good for him, I hope he gets it.  The. I hope he turns the Panthers around, then I hope the fact we still have a defensive coach who can’t win a big game and we have given away two guys who turned teams around get him fired and we hire an offensive mind because it’s all that matters.

Right because our defensive coach hasn't turned a franchise completely around.   While many an offensive coach has been hired and fired in the same time period.  Horrible take.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I can absolutely imagine David Tepper, one of the dumbest owners in all of sports, thinking "hey the last guy that coached Josh Allen and became head coach looks like a pretty good hire!" Otherwise this interview makes no sense, and I say that as someone that thinks Dorsey has done a good job this year.

Dorsey does throw a pretty mean tablet...that shows 'passion'.  What many owners are looking for. 🤨

[Rochesterfan]

3 hours ago, wppete said:

I’m surprised. 1st year OC doing a decent job. Maybe he could be a HC in the future and they want to get an early look at him?  

 

Potentially going to a team he was on staff with in the past and with a FO in Dan Morgan that knows him from multiple spots - why wouldn’t they interview him.

 

Like Dabol in NYC - the GM/Assistant GM has worked with and believes they can work together.

 

I actually think Dorsey could make a great HC - not sure he is ready, but he has QB experience and did a bit of scouting with Carolina originally, but this is more about finding a good fit between FO and coaching staff.  Finding a highly qualified DC is much easier as those positions are not getting HC jobs - so you can pick those guys up all over, but a young talented OC that you are somewhat familiar with is  what teams are dying for.

 

 

[BillsDiehard]

I got no issue with him interviewing but why can't they do this until after the super bowl!? It's a distraction! We saw it last season with Dabol. 

[TAinLack.]

5 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I wonder if Dorsey's Miami Meltdown did anything to damage his viability as a head coaching candidate this offseason.

 

As far as if he moves on, don't forget the Bills have 4 former Offensive Coordinators still under contract, Rob Boras, Joe Brady, Mike Shula and Aaron Kromer.

 

 

 

 

Carolina doesn't seem to think so

[KDIGGZ]

So both of our coordinators are going to be doing the gauntlet of HC interviews right in the middle of a playoff run. Great. Not like they have anything else more important to focus on

[HomeskillitMoorman]

Niiiice take him! Everything feels like it's hard with him as OC, it shouldn't when we have a top 3 QB in football. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Lol. Take him

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, BillsDiehard said:

I got no issue with him interviewing but why can't they do this until after the super bowl!? It's a distraction! We saw it last season with Dabol. 

 

33 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

So both of our coordinators are going to be doing the gauntlet of HC interviews right in the middle of a playoff run. Great. Not like they have anything else more important to focus on

This is what happens when your team is consistently good. Happened to the Pats for years, Green Bay, Rams, Tampa, KC….this is nothing new 

[Beast]

It’s not just the football mind, teams want some of the Bills culture in their buildings. They want the next Daboll.

[Captain Hindsight]

5 hours ago, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

It's funny before McDermott I don't remember any bills coaches getting opportunities elsewhere. Especially for head coaching opportunities lol 

Petrine got the job in Cleveland after everyone else said no 

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

If Dorsey leaves, Brady probably steps in and another will come up in the pipeline behind him. I'd be surprised if they brought in an outsider.

 

Depends what the Josh - Joe relationship is like. Purely from the interactions (or lack thereof sometimes) we have seen on TV this year I dunno I am a little sceptical about that relationship. I might be totally off because we only see the odd snapshot that the tv shows. Maybe guys who go to the games will tell me he and Josh are always talking, looking at the ipads together etc on the sideline... but there have been multiple camera shots where Josh is sitting on the bench looking at the ipad and Brady is stood next to him just staring straight ahead. 

 

If Josh and Joe are tight and Josh wants him then he is the next guy should Dorsey get hired. If not, then I wonder if this is the juncture at which they might go outside. No obvious internal candidate that your QB is lobbying for, having had some growing pains moments this year with a first time playcaller (I maintain overall Dorsey has done a decent job) Superbowl chasing team... maybe they think an experienced playcaller might be the way to go. Especially if someone like Frank Reich is interested. 

 

What they have to get used to is when you have Josh Allen your OCs are gonna get HC looks. Especially when you have highly respected guys like Daboll who had worked with Bill and Nick and then Dorsey who played QB in the league.... Joe Brady or Frank Reich (the hotshot youngster, or the respected older former HC) would both be the same. If Dorsey left and either of them got the job and the Bills had another top 3 offense next year either of those guys would be on HC search lists. 

[MrEpsYtown]

I could see them hiring Dorsey and trying to keep Wilks on as the DC. I think Dorsey can succeed, but he will have to surround himself with some very experienced coaches and give up play calling duties. I think it is more lilley Tepper throws a ton of money at a Harbaugh or a Sean Payton. 

[ProcessTruster]

8 hours ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Dan morgan is why

yep, sure why not interview him?     

 

why interview him: 

... let me think, QB coach and OC of a top 3 NFL offense.....was QB coach on our SB team under Riviera so is familiar with organization.....Dan Morgan (who walks on water in Charlotte)  vouches for him.  .... yeah I think I'll talk to that guy

 

Makes perfect sense to me.   In fact he may be a better organizer than the typical play-caller-only OC, who knows?.   Which may make him a better HC than a guy who is just an Xs and Os guy.    eg. You don't make your best sales guy your VP of Sales.  Skill sets are completely different.  

 

Just some thoughts.