eball Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 hours ago, BBills_88 said: Hey, the Mike Mc Daniel amongst other first timers have worked out thus far for some. + He will be the first, first year OC to win a superbowl McNerd got the Fish to the same record as Flores after adding Tyreek Hill to the roster. I don’t think we can say he has “worked out” for Miami just yet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Once you’re into the nfl you’re in I guess wow wouldnt think he was a candidate really… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldfronts Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 This is barely a Dorsey run offense. It's a JA off schedule play offense. Panthers would have better luck hiring JA as OC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Beast said: It’s not just the football mind, teams want some of the Bills culture in their buildings. They want the next Daboll. If you look at results of Brian Daboll and Coach McDermott what future team woudn't want that success right? The margin for error is so thin at the level that the NFL plays in ANY proven advantage to gain Wins will be mimicked. If a positive culture does the job so be it. Brian Daboll OC for Josh Allen. Interest from other teams CHECK. Dorsey could very well be next in line to exit. We'll see. Edited January 10, 2023 by muppy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 36 minutes ago, eball said: McNerd got the Fish to the same record as Flores after adding Tyreek Hill to the roster. I don’t think we can say he has “worked out” for Miami just yet. I wonder how charitable all the McDaniel fans on this board would be to a rookie Bills HC who lost 5 straight games down the stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 You mean the Carolina to Buffalo pipeline can go both ways? Who knew?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 39 minutes ago, eball said: McNerd got the Fish to the same record as Flores after adding Tyreek Hill to the roster. I don’t think we can say he has “worked out” for Miami just yet. He's the most overrated twit I've seen since Josh McDaniels and Lane Kiffin. So arrogant for accomplishing nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, muppy said: If you look at results of Brian Daboll and Coach McDermott what future team woudn't want that success right? The margin for error is so thin at the level that the NFL plays in ANY proven advantage to gain Wins will be mimicked. If a positive culture does the job so be it. Brian Daboll OC for Josh Allen. Interest from other teams CHECK. Dorsey could very well be next in line to exit. We'll see. Ironic as well in that I seem to recall there were times a large portion of the fanbase was willing to escort Daboll to the county line to search for a 'better opportunity'. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Ironic as well in that I seem to recall there were times a large portion of the fanbase was willing to escort Daboll to the county line to search for a 'better opportunity'. 😁 Everyone seems to have forgotten this. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Daboll had a long career, building capabilities and getting experience, and learning from a lot of successful coaches. He held the Giants together when injuries and tough opponents derailed their happy days early success. He deserves NFC COY in my opinion. Dorsey had one year as QB coach and one year as OC. He might like the compliment of being asked to interview, but a man's got to recognize his own limitations (thanks Clint). He's just not ready. Becoming HC on a team without a QB would be a disaster for the team and his own career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 10 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: It’s his first year on the job and the way I see it he’ll only get better. If a coordinator has to go, I choose Frazier. Those extra 3rd round draft picks are needed. Frazier has certainly earned another shot at being a HC. From a selfish standpoint, I don't want to lose him. With that being said, there isn't a third-round pick that comes close in value compared to having Frazier as our DC. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Depends what the Josh - Joe relationship is like. Purely from the interactions (or lack thereof sometimes) we have seen on TV this year I dunno I am a little sceptical about that relationship. I might be totally off because we only see the odd snapshot that the tv shows. Maybe guys who go to the games will tell me he and Josh are always talking, looking at the ipads together etc on the sideline... but there have been multiple camera shots where Josh is sitting on the bench looking at the ipad and Brady is stood next to him just staring straight ahead. If Josh and Joe are tight and Josh wants him then he is the next guy should Dorsey get hired. If not, then I wonder if this is the juncture at which they might go outside. No obvious internal candidate that your QB is lobbying for, having had some growing pains moments this year with a first time playcaller (I maintain overall Dorsey has done a decent job) Superbowl chasing team... maybe they think an experienced playcaller might be the way to go. Especially if someone like Frank Reich is interested. What they have to get used to is when you have Josh Allen your OCs are gonna get HC looks. Especially when you have highly respected guys like Daboll who had worked with Bill and Nick and then Dorsey who played QB in the league.... Joe Brady or Frank Reich (the hotshot youngster, or the respected older former HC) would both be the same. If Dorsey left and either of them got the job and the Bills had another top 3 offense next year either of those guys would be on HC search lists. Can't forget they have Mike Shula too, the elder statesman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Dorsey may not even be interested. Everyone thought Daboll was gone last season and he wasn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: Dorsey may not even be interested. Everyone thought Daboll was gone last season and he wasn't. He would have been gone for the 2021 season if he'd had an offer. The Bills' incredible offense at the end of last year was his ticket to being a HC. Sticking around that year turned out to make him even more sought-after, and it should have led to a Bills SB win. 9 minutes ago, gjv said: Frazier has certainly earned another shot at being a HC. From a selfish standpoint, I don't want to lose him. With that being said, there isn't a third-round pick that comes close in value compared to having Frazier as our DC. While I agree Frazier has earned consideration for another HC job, I think people look at his unimpressive stint as a HC previously, and his more restrained personality than any of the younger coaches have. He always appears dour, and quiet, on the sidelines. I never see him riled up by a bad play or excited about a good play -- and that's exactly what you want in a DC. But as a HC, he might not have the inspiring personality to charge up a team. Early this season, I saw a clip with Daboll and his team laughing and cheering while Daboll sang along with some rap song they all knew. And Daboll knew it too. He related great to the 20-somethings on his team. Would Frazier? I think Frazier's currently in the job and the situation he was born to be in. I hope he stays for another decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Sadly no one wants Frazier as their HC, him leaving would be a multi beneficial action for the Bills. Now Dorsey if made the offer would very likely leave, maybe that could be a good thing? We have that Brady guy in line to replace him I guess, is he actually any good? What’s his upside as a potential OC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 The Allen coaching tree sprouting a new branch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, muppy said: If you look at results of Brian Daboll and Coach McDermott what future team woudn't want that success right? The margin for error is so thin at the level that the NFL plays in ANY proven advantage to gain Wins will be mimicked. If a positive culture does the job so be it. Brian Daboll OC for Josh Allen. Interest from other teams CHECK. Dorsey could very well be next in line to exit. We'll see. This is pretty much how it works. Doesn’t Dorsey have a history with Carolina as well ? Maybe they really like the guy and he’s familiar to them. Edited January 10, 2023 by Boatdrinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BhamBillsFan Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Please, please take Leslie Frazier instead! We'll give you future picks, whatever it takes!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 36 minutes ago, Utah John said: Daboll had a long career, building capabilities and getting experience, and learning from a lot of successful coaches. He held the Giants together when injuries and tough opponents derailed their happy days early success. He deserves NFC COY in my opinion. Dorsey had one year as QB coach and one year as OC. He might like the compliment of being asked to interview, but a man's got to recognize his own limitations (thanks Clint). He's just not ready. Becoming HC on a team without a QB would be a disaster for the team and his own career. Dorsey was QBC here for 3 years and Carolina for 4 IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Take him. I want Kingsbury. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Take my wife, please! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Dave Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 ALL requests for Interviews should NOT be allowed until after a team has been elimanted from the Playoffs. Daboll and Frazier both interviewed last year in the middle of the playoffs. Anyone that's ever had a job interview knows how much effort you need to focus there. It could have taken away focus... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: Take him. I want Kingsbury. I didn't hear it but apparently Rich Gannon killed Kingsbury on some broadcast yesterday... Something about him never getting another NFL head coaching gig. Gannon hinted that Kingbury's offense was so disorganized and his work with the QB was not good. Again I didn't hear it... but NO Thanks for me on Kingsbury. That turned me off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Irish Dave said: ALL requests for Interviews should NOT be allowed until after a team has been elimanted from the Playoffs. Daboll and Frazier both interviewed last year in the middle of the playoffs. Anyone that's ever had a job interview knows how much effort you need to focus there. It could have taken away focus... Absolutely. Shouldn’t even be a question. Request denied. Wait another couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: Take him. I want Kingsbury. Allen likely doesn't. If Dorsey leaves, Brady or Chad Hall or be promoted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I think we hired Joe Brady for this reason. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Dorsey will be busy until mid-February. Maybe schedule a nice Valentine's Day dinner together, but until then our guy is game planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Sadly no one wants Frazier as their HC, him leaving would be a multi beneficial action for the Bills. Now Dorsey if made the offer would very likely leave, maybe that could be a good thing? We have that Brady guy in line to replace him I guess, is he actually any good? What’s his upside as a potential OC? If Frazier gets a HC gig it’s probably going to be as a stabilizing presence for a dysfunctional franchise. He may turn those down though. I really think his best shot was Chicago last year, and that didn’t happen for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 12 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: It’s his first year on the job and the way I see it he’ll only get better. If a coordinator has to go, I choose Frazier. Those extra 3rd round draft picks are needed. I'd let Dorsey go in a heartbeat, and lose no sleep over it. He is easily replaced. Would also not mind to see Frazier go. Neither of them are critical assets to be retained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 11 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Daboll seems to be doing fine Daboll been in the job 17 weeks……you know how the NFL works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, What a Tuel said: Dorsey may not even be interested. Everyone thought Daboll was gone last season and he wasn't. Daboll 100% would have taken the Chargers job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Utah John said: He would have been gone for the 2021 season if he'd had an offer. The Bills' incredible offense at the end of last year was his ticket to being a HC. Sticking around that year turned out to make him even more sought-after, and it should have led to a Bills SB win. While I agree Frazier has earned consideration for another HC job, I think people look at his unimpressive stint as a HC previously, and his more restrained personality than any of the younger coaches have. He always appears dour, and quiet, on the sidelines. I never see him riled up by a bad play or excited about a good play -- and that's exactly what you want in a DC. But as a HC, he might not have the inspiring personality to charge up a team. Early this season, I saw a clip with Daboll and his team laughing and cheering while Daboll sang along with some rap song they all knew. And Daboll knew it too. He related great to the 20-somethings on his team. Would Frazier? I think Frazier's currently in the job and the situation he was born to be in. I hope he stays for another decade. I'm pretty sure he did have an offer from an undesirable team. Of course other teams aren't going to announce they went with their 2nd choice though so we will never know. I'm not sure the Panthers or Texans or Cardinals are super desirable teams. With no QBs and a decent QB who wants input on the hiring of the next HC. On top of that Dorsey may not even believe he is ready for this type of role. Just now, Captain Hindsight said: Daboll 100% would have taken the Chargers job I think so too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 elite QB's = HC opportunities for OC's 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: Daboll been in the job 17 weeks……you know how the NFL works. Especially with that NY Media. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: Take him. I want Kingsbury. GMFB this morning was joking about how you won't see or hear from Kingsbury for a long time. He's going on a vacation for a loonnnnnng time. He may coach again, but to me it sounds like he is quite comfortable laying low for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, gjv said: Frazier has certainly earned another shot at being a HC. From a selfish standpoint, I don't want to lose him. With that being said, there isn't a third-round pick that comes close in value compared to having Frazier as our DC. It’s McD’s system, if Frazier leaves someone else will adequately fill in. Actually, some here want McD to take control of the reins now, especially for the playoffs. The talent on the field matters more and I’d happily take the TWO 3rd round draft choices in a heartbeat if Frazier were to leave. It’s my hope. You say there’s not a single 3rd round draft pick that comes close in value to Leslie Frazier. Not a single one? What about a young Russell Wilson on a cost controlled contract? No? Well how about Tyrann Matheiu? Ty Hilton, Navarro Bowman, Justin Houston, Alvin Kamara, Frank Gore, Marshall Yanda, Jason Witten, Steve Smith Sr., none of those 3rd round draft choices are close in value to coach Leslie Frazier? Sure, the pick could be another Zack Moss, but there are most certainly gems in the 3rd round whose value exceeds a coordinator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 13 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: It’s his first year on the job and the way I see it he’ll only get better. If a coordinator has to go, I choose Frazier. Those extra 3rd round draft picks are needed. If I choose I reincarnate Kent Hull as our center. We both have equal chances of choosing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I don't think it will happen this year, but I predicted it will happen after next season, and I'm sticking by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) There must be somebody else we can get rid of for next off season Just promote them to OC let Josh throw a lot of passes then BINGO, out the door .. Edited January 10, 2023 by HOUSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, Limeaid said: If I choose I reincarnate Kent Hull as our center. We both have equal chances of choosing. Clearly should’ve used the word “prefer” since some of you are so hung up on “choose.” Obviously I’m not choosing anything, but if you can choose to reincarnate Hill to play center, make it happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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