Love the dolphins forum - Bills won because of the refs?

[Matt_In_NH]

I don’t like games decided by PI but to me that was text book yet you can always make arguments when you are biased.  I did notice the bills got away with some stuff on hill but it’s also true there are dozens of I called penalties on both teams in every game.  Anyway this is fun.   These guys are in a full melt down.  
 

https://finheaven.com/threads/disgusted-by-the-refs.376255/

Edited December 18, 2022 by Matt_In_NH

[SCBills]

No idea how anyone could not think that’s PI. 
 

It was abundantly clear..  Didn’t turn his head around.  Made excessive contact with the WR coming back to the ball.  Was flailing in coverage. 
 

The only other close call I can remember was a “play stands” on a deep McKenzie pass that likely results in a big Bills play if the ref rules it a catch on the field. 
 

Edited December 18, 2022 by SCBills

[davefan66]

At least one of the holding calls in our favor should have been PI.

 

The last PI was a good call.  Yeah, ball hit the ground while McKenzie was up in the air.  Guy was all over him.

[Charles Romes]

Early in the game tre was arguably a little early on some bang bang passes defensed that could have been flagged. That’s probably where they are coming from. I do see a little bias by the refs in favor of the Bills. The league loves Superman who is a ratings cash cow. I make no apologies for it however. The bias is earned from years of sustained success and exciting games. 

Edited December 18, 2022 by Charles Romes

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

Final penalty count was 8 on the Dolphins for 51 yards and 7 on the Bills for 51 yards. 

 

That's about as even as it gets. 

 

As far as that fans complaints

 

1) The flag was in the air b/c they were going to call defensive holding. You can see the defender grab McKenzie's shoulder and yank him back. Easy call. The refs then huddled up and decided that, in addition to the defensive holding, the defender interfered with McKenzie. Also a pretty easy call. 

 

2) Even though Allen threw it directly at the linemen there was an eligible receiver in the vicinity. Not grounding

 

3) Refs were generally letting the secondary play. Lots of contact went uncalled for both teams. Including a clear OPI on White that took an INT opportunity away. 

 

4) See 3

 

5) You can't start a hit on a QB a full yard out of bounds and then say it's not roughing. Don't care how hard he hit Allen or if he was "trying to hold up"

 

6) The refs didn't give Tua the head first slip at first, but they did correct the spot before the snap

[Doc]

Boo hoo.  How many penalties against the Dols did they let go in the first matchup?  And that was absolutely PI on McK.  Not even close to being arguable.

[CoudyBills]

***** the dolphins and their fans

[K-9]

“The refs made us lose.” 
 

There is not a more time honored loser’s lament. 

[Freddie's Dead]

I pointed out a number of uncalled penalties for both teams in the GDT.  The refs were inconsistent as always.  

[UKBillFan]

Anyone recall how many defensive holding calls went against them at Hard Rock? And how many we had in comparison? Despite us having the ball for, I think it was close to double the time?

[BarleyNY]

4 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

I pointed out a number of uncalled penalties for both teams in the GDT.  The refs were inconsistent as always.  

Yup. And when refs are inconsistent then fans can always find a call or two to blame the loss on. Heck, fans do that even on the occasions the refs call a good game. 

[Rc2catch]

We are just as bad whining about penalties on here when games don’t go buffalos way. Refs are a constant complaint for every fan base. 
I thought the game was called pretty fair. I definitely do not think the game was decided by the refs. Each team had plenty of opportunities to win and the PI at the end wasn’t questionable. 

People gotta stop with all this stuff. Josh Allen is not the NFL’s golden boy. He may be one of… But certainly not the only one. 
It’s better for the league if Miami wins that game. A closer AFC east is best for ratings the next couple weeks. 

[Buddo]

Without re-watching the game, there were plenty of holds that could have been called against the Phins secondary.

 

Diggs was getting held a lot.

 

This was all happening clearly after the 5 yards of the scrimmage line was passed.

 

In fairness, I didn't pay the same attention to what the Bills secondary was up to, so that may have been similar for both teams, but I got the feeling, that as the game gets on the line, it was one of those situations where the zebras clenched, and tightened up on that stuff so as not to get called out on it.

 

The biggest problem for the 'Phins at that stage, was that mostly, the Bills had the football, so were going to be the team that got those calls.

 

The McKenzie one was egregious, because he was clearly held early on in his route, and then the defender was all over him before the football actually arrived.

 

There will alsmost certainly be stills somewhere, where the defender is making contact with McKenie, and the football isn't even in the frame.

 

 

[Nitro]

The officiating was inconsistent the whole game.  Both teams were affected.  Whining on clear PI is silly.  

[The Wiz]

10 minutes ago, K-9 said:

“The refs made us lose.” 
 

There is not a more time honored loser’s lament. 

We should know. We said it for almost 2 decades.

[pigpen65]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

No idea how anyone could not think that’s PI. 
 

It was abundantly clear..  Didn’t turn his head around.  Made excessive contact with the WR coming back to the ball.  Was flailing in coverage. 
 

The only other close call I can remember was a “play stands” on a deep McKenzie pass that likely results in a big Bills play if the ref rules it a catch on the field. 
 

The play the former head of officials and current rules expert couldn't definitively say was or wasn't a catch, lol.  Seems legit

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

We should know. We said it for almost 2 decades.

Not this fan. 

[Eastport bills]

The poor souls on the Miami forums have to digest the reality that when they were 8 pts up with 9 minutes left, they proceeded to allow a long TD drive, 2 pt conversion, nothing on offense, and then another clock killing long drive and a chip shot FG at the gun.  They played hard but the Bills wanted it more. Allow the officials to make calls that impact the outcome, you deserve the result. 

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

No idea how anyone could not think that’s PI. 
 

It was abundantly clear..  Didn’t turn his head around.  Made excessive contact with the WR coming back to the ball.  Was flailing in coverage. 
 

The only other close call I can remember was a “play stands” on a deep McKenzie pass that likely results in a big Bills play if the ref rules it a catch on the field. 
 

I think their argument is that you can't make that call in that particular moment because it's a possible game deciding play. In some cases I would agree if it's borderline, but as you mentioned it was far from borderline. Blatant hold and he never looked back for the ball. That's a pretty easy call to make regardless of what's on the line. You got burnt, don't look for help from the refs.

 

Play better D.

[SCBills]

Just now, billsbackto81 said:

I think their argument is that you can't make that call in that particular moment because it's a possible game deciding play. In some cases I would agree if it's borderline, but as you mentioned it was far from borderline. Blatant hold and he never looked back for the ball. That's a pretty easy call to make regardless of what's on the line. You got burnt, don't look for help from the refs.

 

Play better D.

Agreed. Its the big risk of blitzing like that..  Refs can’t call it differently just because a team decides to put their corners on an island in a big moment. 

[Aussie Joe]

Luckily you won’t see anyone complaining about the refs on this forum …

[Franco_92]

The dolphins defender committed two separate pass interferences. Each one alone could have drawn a flag, one as the pass was just taking off, and one just before the ball got there.

[H2o]

Awwwww, poor little fellas

[Bimmer323i]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

Brady did that for 20 years in this division, our turn to throw for PI. DB did not look back for the ball and was shoving McKenzie in the chest. It was blatant PI. Miami fans can eff off.

Right… How many games have we lost during the years getting screwed by the refs…. To many to count…..

Miami had the chance to go up a touchdown on us and possibly win the game but Tua air mailed one over everybodies head so idk wtf there talking about….

[Billsfan1972]

4 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Final penalty count was 8 on the Dolphins for 51 yards and 7 on the Bills for 51 yards. 

 

That's about as even as it gets. 

 

As far as that fans complaints

 

1) The flag was in the air b/c they were going to call defensive holding. You can see the defender grab McKenzie's shoulder and yank him back. Easy call. The refs then huddled up and decided that, in addition to the defensive holding, the defender interfered with McKenzie. Also a pretty easy call. 

 

2) Even though Allen threw it directly at the linemen there was an eligible receiver in the vicinity. Not grounding

 

3) Refs were generally letting the secondary play. Lots of contact went uncalled for both teams. Including a clear OPI on White that took an INT opportunity away. 

 

4) See 3

 

5) You can't start a hit on a QB a full yard out of bounds and then say it's not roughing. Don't care how hard he hit Allen or if he was "trying to hold up"

 

6) The refs didn't give Tua the head first slip at first, but they did correct the spot before the snap

Yep two penalties and wondered what took so long?  Maybe one was arguing that give them 5 not 21 yards and put them into FG position?  But both a hold and a DPI.

Edited December 19, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Putin]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I don’t like games decided by PI but to me that was text book yet you can always make arguments when you are biased.  I did notice the bills got away with some stuff on hill but it’s also true there are dozens of I called penalties on both teams in every game.  Anyway this is fun.   These guys are in a full melt down.  
 

https://finheaven.com/threads/disgusted-by-the-refs.376255/

The most delusional fanbase 

[Johnnycage46]

This post is pure gold (probably have to click on the thumbnail to view larger):

 

[Billznut]

The Miami fan base is hands down the most delusional and they are steadily climbing the list of most cocky and annoying fan base, currently led by Chiefs fans. 

[HOUSE]

Sounds like us 10 years ago

But then we grew up and graduated from Junior high school 

[Governor]

2 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

Early in the game tre was arguably a little early on some bang bang passes defensed that could have been flagged. That’s probably where they are coming from. I do see a little bias by the refs in favor of the Bills. The league loves Superman who is a ratings cash cow. I make no apologies for it however. The bias is earned from years of sustained success and exciting games. 

Yes. There were at least 3 in the 1st quarter alone by White.

Edited December 18, 2022 by Governor

[EasternOHBillsFan]

41 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Sounds like us 10 years ago

But then we grew up and graduated from Junior high school 

 

Try over 30 years ago for some of us 😅

[BRH]

I was told there were to be no excuses. 

4 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Try over 30 years ago for some of us 😅

Just about 40 here 😬

[jimmy10]

Oh, the lamentations of the mediocre. The whole world is against us, it’s definitely not our noodle armed QB with a fractured brain and two receivers who are only good at the same thing. 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 hours ago, BRH said:

I was told there were to be no excuses. 

Just about 40 here 😬

 

LOL

 

Doing the math, it's been 36 years, so we're pretty close in age!

[Your Brown Eye]

Have you ever visited this site after a loss?

[May Day 10]

The bills got lucky on maybe 3 "coin flip" dpi calls when they were on defense on some pivotal plays.  I'll give them that.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I find that Vinovich crew insufferable, but think they were mostly okay yesterday.
 

The PI call on McKenzie was super clear. If you want to complain, complain about the rule. I have never liked the rule of PI being called on an underthrown ball that the receiver comes back to. It’s almost impossible for a defender in tight coverage not to have PI in that situation. 

[billsbackto81]

3 hours ago, Billznut said:

The Miami fan base is hands down the most delusional and they are steadily climbing the list of most cocky and annoying fan base, currently led by Chiefs fans. 

They got some really funny stuff going on their site right now. I love the one that says, "We have a better team, better coaching and better QB than the Bills now and moving forward". 

 

I kid you not😂 Pure comedy gold.

[Big Turk]

6 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I don’t like games decided by PI but to me that was text book yet you can always make arguments when you are biased.  I did notice the bills got away with some stuff on hill but it’s also true there are dozens of I called penalties on both teams in every game.  Anyway this is fun.   These guys are in a full melt down.  
 

https://finheaven.com/threads/disgusted-by-the-refs.376255/

 

The funny part is Allen probably gets the least PI calls out of all the big QBs.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

5 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

Final penalty count was 8 on the Dolphins for 51 yards and 7 on the Bills for 51 yards. 

 

That's about as even as it gets. 

 

As far as that fans complaints

 

1) The flag was in the air b/c they were going to call defensive holding. You can see the defender grab McKenzie's shoulder and yank him back. Easy call. The refs then huddled up and decided that, in addition to the defensive holding, the defender interfered with McKenzie. Also a pretty easy call. 

 

2) Even though Allen threw it directly at the linemen there was an eligible receiver in the vicinity. Not grounding

 

3) Refs were generally letting the secondary play. Lots of contact went uncalled for both teams. Including a clear OPI on White that took an INT opportunity away. 

 

4) See 3

 

5) You can't start a hit on a QB a full yard out of bounds and then say it's not roughing. Don't care how hard he hit Allen or if he was "trying to hold up"

 

6) The refs didn't give Tua the head first slip at first, but they did correct the spot before the snap

It’s not so much total penalty yards, but when the actual penalties are called (3rd down, final drive, etc.) With that being said, Miami fans are a bunch of cry babies. The only thing I agree with is the non-intentional grounding on Allen which could’ve been called. Other then that they can **** off.