jwhit34 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Admittedly it seems a bit blasphemous to pose this question. Add up Von Miller's performance, mentoring, leadership and the attention he draws from the opposition and he is probably the slam dunk answer. However, Greg Rousseau has played very well in the first four games: 4 sacks (Miller 3), 5 tackles for loss (Miller also 5), 15 total tackles (11 solo, 4 assists, Miller 7 solo 0 assist). My guess is Miller has more QB pressures. It's not just a stats question of course. So far, so good, Miller's playing very well and Rousseau has made a nice leap so far this year, partially thanks to Miller. So I'll say it's Miller, but Rousseau is pretty close. Honorable mention to DaQuan Jones, he's been pretty darn good too. And I can't wait to see what happens when Ed Oliver is back in the lineup... 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 The Von Miller effect has certainly take Rousseau to a higher level. Cant wait till Oliver and Phillips come back. 15 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 DaQuan. Hands down. 8 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 When Phillips and Oliver are healthy it's a tremendous DL! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 We saw what a wrecking ball crew this can be when healthy the first game and need that back! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I would be curious to see how well our defensive ends have played when Von Miller lined up opposite them vs someone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: The Von Miller effect has certainly take Rousseau to a higher level. Cant wait till Oliver and Phillips come back. Von helps, but Rousseau was already heading there. He is a better player than Von right now, but we will see as the season goes along. Miller is clearly here for the big games. Rousseau is what you expect when you draft a DL in the 1st round. Growing pains in year 1 and in year 2 they take off. Rousseau and Edmunds are living up to their 1st round hype. Edmunds took a little while, but it is much harder to play his position that Rousseau's position. Edited October 5, 2022 by Bills2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 14 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: When Phillips and Oliver are healthy it's a tremendous DL! This defense will be disgusting if we can get those guys and Tre White back without suffering additional injury casualties. It's already the best in the league, but they have a chance to be absolutely dominating when healthy. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNutHawaii Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I think the Texans "Have The Bills' Best D-Lineman So Far." Jerry Hughes, he's currently 5th in the league in QB sacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 It might actually be Da'Quan Jones. He has played a ton of snaps..70% last game while holding it down for Oliver and Phillips and has done a tremendous job of taking on blockers allowing Milano and Edmunds to roam free. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, BillsNutHawaii said: I think the Texans "Have The Bills' Best D-Lineman So Far." Jerry Hughes, he's currently 5th in the league in QB sacks. So he's tied with Groot just with fewer TFLs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Raises a hand for AJ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) 31 minutes ago, BillsNutHawaii said: I think the Texans "Have The Bills' Best D-Lineman So Far." Jerry Hughes, he's currently 5th in the league in QB sacks. When he changed uniforms the opponent was no longer free to hold him with impunity, I think. Statute of limitations, or something. Technical league and NFLPA stuff by nature. Von is right, Rousseau is going to be a STUD. An All-Pro stud. I loved his size, but it seems he’s got more bend than last year. Is that just my imagination? He seems more athletic. . Edited October 5, 2022 by Augie 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 48 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: DaQuan. Hands down. He might be the most important guy. Guy is everything we thought star would be. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 50 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: The Von Miller effect has certainly take Rousseau to a higher level. Cant wait till Oliver and Phillips come back. Yeah wait till Ed & Jordan return. It's going to get real scary. Von elevates everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Von Miller. Greg has been very good. But watch the blocking. Von is doubled up pretty much every play. This allows Greg to eat. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Von Miller. Greg has been very good. But watch the blocking. Von is doubled up pretty much every play. This allows Greg to eat. There was a graph that showed that Von is getting a bit more double teams but is winning more still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 27 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Raises a hand for AJ Politely lowers your hand and saves you from what could have been an embarrassing moment. That was a close one. 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 The von Miller effect is a real thing. Just like we say Allen was going to be elite regardless, Diggs just helped the process speed up. Same thing for Rousseau and some of the other young guys. Von has just helped speed up their development. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, WotAGuy said: DaQuan. Hands down. I was talking to a co-worker who is a big Bills fan. DaQuan is the type of 1TDT that Beane and McDermott have always wanted. They thought they were getting him in Star who massively unperformed on a big deal. Then they hoped Harrison Phillips could be that guy and while he played well at times I think they were looking for more consistent high end play Jones has been what the defense has been missing and I don’t think it’s a surprise that Edmunds, Milano, and even Taron have been flashing a bit more often against the run this season Edited October 5, 2022 by JohnNord 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 If you focus on Groot during games, it's pretty amazing what he's doing. He is a total disruptor. I think Von has elevated his play & everyone else's - but Groot is a keeper for sure. I see him anchoring that line for years, and creating a similar dynamic that we had w/ Kelly & Bruce Smith. Not that everything is comparable to old Bills teams, but it's that kind of thing where he'll be a huge difference-maker on D, and Allen will lead a record-breaking O. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Admittedly it seems a bit blasphemous to pose this question. Nuff said!! 2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Yeah wait till Ed & Jordan return. It's going to get real scary. Von elevates everyone. Exactly!! By the way, Leonard Floyd has been a non factor for the Rams since Von has been gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) Of course it's Von, but #50 is taking a big step in the right direction and that has me excited. I wonder how much of that is on Von's tutelage. Edited October 6, 2022 by GreggTX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 When all the injured players come back, there's gonna be some excellent talent on the bench or not even dressing. Who plays, who sits, and who watches? This is an NFL first-world problem, at least for the coaches and players. For us, it's just happy days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 8 hours ago, Bills2022 said: Von helps, but Rousseau was already heading there. He is a better player than Von right now, but we will see as the season goes along. Miller is clearly here for the big games. Rousseau is what you expect when you draft a DL in the 1st round. Growing pains in year 1 and in year 2 they take off. Rousseau and Edmunds are living up to their 1st round hype. Edmunds took a little while, but it is much harder to play his position that Rousseau's position. Rousseau is NOT better than Von. Child, please. Not saying he won’t be, but he benefits more from Von than the other way around. Rousseau is well on his way to being a premier DE. Let’s see how he fares for a full season. Von was & is one of the greatest to ever do it and it will take more than a few good games from a 2nd year player to convince me that’s he is better. 7 hours ago, Augie said: When he changed uniforms the opponent was no longer free to hold him with impunity, I think. Statute of limitations, or something. Technical league and NFLPA stuff by nature. Von is right, Rousseau is going to be a STUD. An All-Pro stud. I loved his size, but it seems he’s got more bend than last year. Is that just my imagination? He seems more athletic. . He’s always looked the part, but now he definitely looks more fluid in his movement & technique. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 jmo Von is better. Rousseau has played better. Daquan needs to be discussed. He’s been the perfect fit. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Von Miller. Greg has been very good. But watch the blocking. Von is doubled up pretty much every play. This allows Greg to eat. Agree. Greg has clearly taken a step forward but teams are keying in on Von and he is still making an impact. He does not look his age at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 DaQuan Jones has been an interior force. Wow! When we get Phillips and Oliver back (Boogie has been playing well, Settle and Lawson are solid, and Bryant has been doing a great job when he's on the field), not sure there is a better D-Line rotation in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 That depends on which d lineman Rousseau has, and which d lineman Von Miller has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 The DL looks really good this year. However what are peoples thoughts on Epenesa? It seems he always starts the season with hype has a good game or two and then vanishes. Last week he was at the low end of snap counts after being at the top at the beginning of the year. Starting to lose hope this guy figures it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 12 hours ago, Big Turk said: It might actually be Da'Quan Jones. He has played a ton of snaps..70% last game while holding it down for Oliver and Phillips and has done a tremendous job of taking on blockers allowing Milano and Edmunds to roam free. I don’t think you can compare inside and outside linemen. On the inside Jones is our best. Settle is a close second, as they are predominantly 1 technique guys clogging up running lanes. It’s impossible to compare Phillips and Oliver as they are both banged up. To the OP, Rousseau looks better because Bob is mentoring him and taking on the double teams. It makes Basham, Rousseau, and even Epenesa better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Chart as of 9/29/22 (So doesn't take into account last game. link to Twitter source below). Von is way up at the top of the chart w/ top pressure rate. Rousseau is right where the 2 lines intersect for league average on pressure rate & double team rate). https://twitter.com/SethWalder/status/1575487909465305090?s=20&t=iYjGL_1nPPrs_1WoFXNESA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 That's why I was so excited when we signed Miller. It's a twofer. Miller is a stud, but he will help the development of 50 and others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 I am never ceased to be amazed by the lengths contributors will go to give Edmunds a backhanded slam. 🤔 * 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Matt Milano is the most consistent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 DaQuan Jones. This dudes play has elevated the play of others on the defense far more than any other player out there imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 I agree with the others, I can’t wait to get Oliver and Phillips back. Both were playing at a high level before the injuries, and once they’re back, this defense will be so much fun to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 17 hours ago, WotAGuy said: DaQuan. Hands down. This guy has been everything we were hoping we were going to get when we signed that other DT from the Panthers. You know, the guy who quit on his team over the course of a couple of seasons? Can't even remember his name... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 NFL.com ranks the top D line and has some very interesting things to say about the Bills based on Next Gen Stats https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-season-s-early-top-10-defensive-lines-nick-bosa-led-49ers-group-deep-bi Bills ranked #2 by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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