Khalil Mack traded to Chargers for 2nd and 6th round picks

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Trading Edmunds seems to be the solution to everything.  Why waste it on Mack?  Trade him to solve hunger, global warming and create world peace and get a 4th rounder.

 

 

Nice post.

 

We should also try for more sunny days. And no pineapple on pizza.

 

23 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

To everyone complaining that we didn't do this deal:

 

It cost a 2nd round pick that we need desperately to address wr,cb, and OG 

 

His cap hit is $18 Million and we have less than a million 

 

Mario Addison had more sacks than him last season and he had a steep drop in overall performance

 

 

All excellent points.

 

Man, do I remember him as a ferociously destructive force in his young days. That's not him anymore, though.

Edited March 11, 2022 by Thurman#1

[DCofNC]

4 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

 

can easy dump him . Makes this looks better for LAC

I wouldn’t be thrilled to dump him after spending a 2nd on him, but at least it’s a safe out in the contract.

[Milanos Milano]

Why can’t we have nice things like Super Bowls? You know, like normal teams. 

[eball]

4 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Mack hasn’t had double digit sacks since 2018 and only played in seven games last season. I think Mack’s best years are behind him.

C’mon, where’s your pitchfork?

[boater]

3 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

Fine? What has he done this year?

He hasn't traded for Mack and adopted his bloated contract which would have destroyed any room to maneuver during free agency.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/khalil-mack-14414/

 

Sometimes, inaction is the best action of all. Let these rube GMs blow their wad on fancy moves and Beane will come in later and pick up the value players for cheap. He's brought the Bills this far, have some faith in the NFL Executive of the Year. Sheesh.

Edited March 11, 2022 by boater

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Mack hasn’t had double digit sacks since 2018 and only played in seven games last season. I think Mack’s best years are behind him.

i do find it weird/red flag that a guy that is elite as he is keeps getting traded. And to get moved for only a second round pick? 

[Jerry Jabber]

7 minutes ago, eball said:

C’mon, where’s your pitchfork?

[TampaBillsJunkie]

2 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said:

I think everyone would love to have Mack on this team. But he’s 31, and has been declining stat wise, and health wise. 
 

23 mil annually is a lot, and I think the biggest reason he’s a charger right now. 

Agreed, but it would have been nice. Hopefully G-Root and Basham take the next steps.

[YoloinOhio]

 

Quinn had a very good year last season. Bills were interested last time he was a FA

[DrPJax]

4 hours ago, Process said:

For a 2nd round pick. That's it?

 

So far the AFC has added Wilson and Mack, and the NFC has added Wentz.

Plus it says it’s in 2023 , so that’s not even this years draft , if correct that almost ,lowers the values a round for the picks !  A huge need for us and we miss out on this , even if it was for 2022 picks it would have been worth it for us. Now he is teamed up with Bosa!  Someone is taking the qb heavy addition of Wilson very seriously.  This is one time I think it’s fair to be critical of Beane missing out on a big need while a very competitive team already with a premiere rusher knows they have to get after Mahomes  and Wilson and they didn’t sit still.

 

  Mean while back at The Bills, we are working on cutting guys who could have been cut almost right as the season ended as it’s not like the guys released so far we’re tough decisions.    Not a FAVORABLE look they were trying to portray with the stadium talks etc going on. So we are “busy” trying to figure out if Hughes or Addison will still be around to run it back after two years of not getting past KC.   The bad FA dl signings by Beane are catching up to him , along with slow developing dl draft picks like Epenesa.  This is just not a great look for Beane right at this moment in time, as we still are dealing with overpaying Star as well. Just because we have Josh doesn’t mean we can sit still with this defense that underperformed in games against good qbs , especially with that terrible performance against KC being fresh in every fans memory.
 

Have to say missing out on a Buffalo guy like this , in an area of need , is a major disappointment in my belief overall in Beane, especially given the poor track record of success he has had in his tenure with D Line talent. He is safe for now because of Allen, but he can’t keep having things like throwing picks and bad FA d line signings while at the same time NOT getting past KC or to the Super Bowl. Critical year for him with the stadium deal etc; Pegulas will be expecting a ROI soon and another early exit this year might actually put him in jeopardy. He is not bulletproof and all the changes going on around him in the AFC are putting him  under pressure for a good draft and actually IMPROVING our talent and producing better results this year.  It’s early, let’s see how he can turn the “PERCEPTION” battle back in his favor. 

[TC in St. Louis]

What say we cut Addison, Hughes and Star and sign Chandler Jones?  We sign Harry, still have Ed, Groot, Basham and Ep.  We also can sign that other DT who got hurt last year....what's his name....uh....Zimmer....draft some talent and move on.  

And get Gronk up in here.

[Doc Brown]

We play the Bears and not the Chargers this year.  Correct?

 

This really does suck though that he went to an AFC team.  At least he’s not in our division.  Can all four AFC West teams go 11-0-6?

[Richard Noggin]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Quinn had a very good year last season. Bills were interested last time he was a FA

Doubt they'd ship out BOTH starting EDGE guys, but...this is a smarter move than Mack, all things considered.

[DrPJax]

55 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Nice post.

 

We should also try for more sunny days. And no pineapple on pizza.

 

 

 

All excellent points.

 

Man, do I remember him as a ferociously destructive force in his young days. That's not him anymore, though.

Really are good points , yet Beane is facing his history of bad signings with the dl like Starr, Murphy, and lack of production from guys like  Epenesa and Basham , and aging guys like Addison / hughes not producing much either.  I can understand if the cap hit is that big , but watching as the Chargers pair up another good edge guy with Bosa while they also have found their franchise QB , is not a good perception overall for Beane.  His poor dl production from talent is catching up with him for example being stuck paying a guy like Starr 7-8 mil ( think that close ) and that is not helping his overall look , especially after he was the guy who said he failed the first year after losing to KC in the afc championship game along the d line , and then ran it back with the exact same results the following year. Big year for him to get better talent / production with that line and things like this just show other teams aren’t sitting still and while we can win in a weak afc east , getting to the super bowl is the goal and it’s time for him to improve that line or soon he will not be as safe as we all think he would continue to be. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Richard Noggin said:

Doubt they'd ship out BOTH starting EDGE guys, but...this is a smarter move than Mack, all things considered.

Akiem Hicks in FA is another. His presence alone could help our young edge rushers take another step in their development.

[Sierra Foothills]

The acquisition of Khalil Mack could be the move that pushes the Chargers into the playoffs for the first time in 4 years.

 

A potentially great move if he has any football left in him.

[Draconator]

1 hour ago, DrPJax said:

Plus it says it’s in 2023 , so that’s not even this years draft , if correct that almost ,lowers the values a round for the picks !  A huge need for us and we miss out on this , even if it was for 2022 picks it would have been worth it for us. Now he is teamed up with Bosa!  Someone is taking the qb heavy addition of Wilson very seriously.  This is one time I think it’s fair to be critical of Beane missing out on a big need while a very competitive team already with a premiere rusher knows they have to get after Mahomes  and Wilson and they didn’t sit still.

 

  Mean while back at The Bills, we are working on cutting guys who could have been cut almost right as the season ended as it’s not like the guys released so far we’re tough decisions.    Not a FAVORABLE look they were trying to portray with the stadium talks etc going on. So we are “busy” trying to figure out if Hughes or Addison will still be around to run it back after two years of not getting past KC.   The bad FA dl signings by Beane are catching up to him , along with slow developing dl draft picks like Epenesa.  This is just not a great look for Beane right at this moment in time, as we still are dealing with overpaying Star as well. Just because we have Josh doesn’t mean we can sit still with this defense that underperformed in games against good qbs , especially with that terrible performance against KC being fresh in every fans memory.
 

Have to say missing out on a Buffalo guy like this , in an area of need , is a major disappointment in my belief overall in Beane, especially given the poor track record of success he has had in his tenure with D Line talent. He is safe for now because of Allen, but he can’t keep having things like throwing picks and bad FA d line signings while at the same time NOT getting past KC or to the Super Bowl. Critical year for him with the stadium deal etc; Pegulas will be expecting a ROI soon and another early exit this year might actually put him in jeopardy. He is not bulletproof and all the changes going on around him in the AFC are putting him  under pressure for a good draft and actually IMPROVING our talent and producing better results this year.  It’s early, let’s see how he can turn the “PERCEPTION” battle back in his favor. 

 

Do you like typing, or hearing yourself speak, because you're the only one who's actually listening to you...

[MrEpsYtown]

31 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Akiem Hicks in FA is another. His presence alone could help our young edge rushers take another step in their development.

 

Yeah he was my pick as the big splash, good name guy. Makes a lot of sense and should play well with Ed. 

[Big Blitz]

The Chargers have 64 million in cap space in 2023 - but only 24 guys under contract.  

 

The window for this current core for them is this year and Herbert hasn't even been to the playoffs yet.

 

They really needed to get in last season.  They stayed mostly healthy to when they usually don't.  

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

3 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

To everyone complaining that we didn't do this deal:

 

It cost a 2nd round pick that we need desperately to address wr,cb, and OG 

 

His cap hit is $18 Million and we have less than a million 

 

Mario Addison had more sacks than him last season and he had a steep drop in overall performance

 

How could you possibly know what positions we desperately need when free agency hasn't even begun yet? What if we re-sign Mckenzie, Wallace and beasley took a pay cut? Anything could happen. One could also argue that pass rusher is the #1 priority on the list. 

 

The cap can be manipulated by restructuring, they could have even restructured Mack's deal.

 

The reason Addison had 1 more sack than Mack is that Mack only played 7 games and missed the rest with a season ending foot injury otherwise he most likely would of had a decent amount more and was on pace for a 16 sack season before being injured.

[BillsCuse]

6 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

Only positive is the AFC west will be pummeling the crap out of each other. 

100%  agree.   Losses between those teams gives us an advantage for getting the 1 seed (hopefully, lol)

[BillsCuse]

2 hours ago, boater said:

He hasn't traded for Mack and adopted his bloated contract which would have destroyed any room to maneuver during free agency.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-chargers/khalil-mack-14414/

 

Sometimes, inaction is the best action of all. Let these rube GMs blow their wad on fancy moves and Beane will come in later and pick up the value players for cheap. He's brought the Bills this far, have some faith in the NFL Executive of the Year. Sheesh.

Completely agree - don't blow your wad early on players, especially with high contracts. 

 

There are high end or above average players that don't get the contract they were hoping for every year....and in the end, sign with a top contender for a team friendly deal.

[Richard Noggin]

16 minutes ago, BillsCuse said:

Completely agree - don't blow your wad early on players, especially with high contracts. 

 

There are high end or above average players that don't get the contract they were hoping for every year....and in the end, sign with a top contender for a team friendly deal.

Sometimes it's wiser to simply do nothing...and then watch the bodies of your enemies float downstream.

 

*paraphrasing Sun Tzu, or someone similarly revered

[purple haze]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

When the Cardinals traded for DeAndre Hopkins I was livid. A few hours later we traded for Diggs. I hope the same thing happens this time around. Zero excuse for us not to add a top tier pass rusher when Mack could have been had for a 2nd.

They don’t have the cap space to take on Mack’s contract without throwing future years out of wack.  Chargers got him cheap because of the money they will have to pay.  Mack and Bosa?  Lord have mercy...

[John from Riverside]

26 minutes ago, purple haze said:

They don’t have the cap space to take on Mack’s contract without throwing future years out of wack.  Chargers got him cheap because of the money they will have to pay.  Mack and Bosa?  Lord have mercy...

They also have a bunch of defensive lime and that are free agents here this year don’t they

[GunnerBill]

I am not quite as big of a Khalil Mack lover as some on this board. Because of the UB connection Bills fans have a tendency to get a bit misty eyed over him but for all his talent I have always thought his effort has been inconsistent in Oakland and Chicago and as a result rather than having him as a true top echelon pass rusher I have always had him as more of a top of tier two guy. 

 

When we have talked a few months back about the option of trading for him I was against giving up a 1st round pick and I was against giving up a 2nd and a future 3rd which I think was the type of compensation people were speculating about. But a 2nd and a 6th? I mean I know fitting the contract in immediately would have been challenging (because while we could have done something with his deal once he was here at the point we traded we'd have needed the room) I think this is an opportunity to add a difference maker at a reasonable cost that we have missed. 

[todd]

So much whining in this thread. Free agency hasn't even started, yet so much whining. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

6 minutes ago, todd said:

So much whining in this thread. Free agency hasn't even started, yet so much whining. 

So Mack didn't get traded? 

[GunnerBill]

38 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

So Mack didn't get traded? 

 

Technically the answer to this question is no, not yet. 

[colin]

the more moves i see the more i am convinced that we need chandler jones, and we need our draft to come up gangbusters.  by the end of the season, we want to get a starter at some combo of IOL/DT/CB/TE/WR (Wr assumed we have a beaze cut and starter can mean our 3rd wr getting some burn).

 

i figure our 1st and some kind of trade up in the 2nd or 3rd should get our IOL and WR, and either CB or DT, whomever presents the best value.

[billybob71]

an aging overpriced DE doesn't make or break your season... what does? having the league's best QB oh wait we got that already

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am not quite as big of a Khalil Mack lover as some on this board. Because of the UB connection Bills fans have a tendency to get a bit misty eyed over him but for all his talent I have always thought his effort has been inconsistent in Oakland and Chicago and as a result rather than having him as a true top echelon pass rusher I have always had him as more of a top of tier two guy. 

 

When we have talked a few months back about the option of trading for him I was against giving up a 1st round pick and I was against giving up a 2nd and a future 3rd which I think was the type of compensation people were speculating about. But a 2nd and a 6th? I mean I know fitting the contract in immediately would have been challenging (because while we could have done something with his deal once he was here at the point we traded we'd have needed the room) I think this is an opportunity to add a difference maker at a reasonable cost that we have missed. 

 

I don't think this escaped McD and Beane's notice either.  He wasn't tearing it up in Chicago.

 

Mack is a local legend.  That's about it.

[ProcessTruster]

14 hours ago, TheProcess said:

I would’ve gladly given up a 2nd and a 6th for Mack. That’s incredible. Hope we don’t roll out geriatric Hughes and Addison again. 

$140m contract.  $18m Cap hit annually.   No way Bills can go anywhere near that thing.   Think before you post people.   

[streetkings01]

11 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

To everyone complaining that we didn't do this deal:

 

It cost a 2nd round pick that we need desperately to address wr,cb, and OG 

 

His cap hit is $18 Million and we have less than a million 

 

Mario Addison had more sacks than him last season and he had a steep drop in overall performance

Common sense people understood why this wouldn’t/couldn’t make sense. Some people are gonna complain regardless and want the Bills in on any and every big name player.

[OldTimer1960]

14 hours ago, Big Turk said:

That's nothing.  WTF. Bears couldn't do better than that??  

No team with a good QB not on a rookie contract could afford Mack.  That eliminates a lot of teams from being interested and kept trade compensation low.

[BillsVet]

14 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Tom Brady won like six super bowls with the Patriots and they never made any big splashes

 

He never won a super bowl with Randy Moss

 

Wow.  When you put it that way, yeah, Buffalo should sit tight and sign average "process" types because the cap or something.  

 

Heck, I remember signing Mario Williams...no SB's there.  Same with Bryce Paup in '95.  

 

Ipso facto...never try to improve your team with high performing veteran talent.  It's never worked and never will.    

 

[MrEpsYtown]

There are a lot cap experts and with overreaction here, everything is doable. Dead cap and all that. Everything is doable. Is Beane going to put together some kick the can deals? I don't think he will go crazy, but he needs to consider it as this is our window. We need to win a Super Bowl. If we are in cap hell after, it doesn't matter. Yes I want multiple Super Bowls, but they need to make sure they get one. After that, everything else is gravy. Then you figure out everything else on the back end. What that means is that they are going to have to take on some cap risk if they want to truly win it all. Does that mean grabbing Bobby Wagner for a big deal? Trading for McCaffrey? Was it going after Mack?Is it going after DeMarcus Lawrence? OBJ? Is it giving a bunch of money to guys like Brandon Scherff, JC Jackson, Chandler Jones? I really don't know. I am not sure what the "move" is, but this team needs to add talent on both sides of the ball if they want to win it all and the time is now. 

 

Drafting 9 rookies and expecting them to put the team over the top with marginal free agent additions isn't going to cut it. 

[Orlando Tim]

I have not watched a ton of Mack since he went to Bears but just watched some highlights of past two seasons and I was amazed that most of his sacks seem to come from teams leaving a TE to block him alone, or even not getting a blocker on him at all. When planning for Chicago how do you forget about him?

[ProcessTruster]

15 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

At some point you have to. Especially given his drafting or FA abilities. Beane signs average to slightly above average players and just rotates them. That isn’t good enough. 

it was good enough this year, Bills hoist the trophy assuming a certain ST coach doesn't sh't the bed with 13 seconds left. 

 

 the roster is there if the coaches would just do their job correctly under pressure.   Don't go into cap hell bc a coach screwed up.  

[Greg S]

7 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

There are a lot cap experts and with overreaction here, everything is doable. Dead cap and all that. Everything is doable. Is Beane going to put together some kick the can deals? I don't think he will go crazy, but he needs to consider it as this is our window. We need to win a Super Bowl. If we are in cap hell after, it doesn't matter. Yes I want multiple Super Bowls, but they need to make sure they get one. After that, everything else is gravy. Then you figure out everything else on the back end. What that means is that they are going to have to take on some cap risk if they want to truly win it all. Does that mean grabbing Bobby Wagner for a big deal? Trading for McCaffrey? Was it going after Mack?Is it going after DeMarcus Lawrence? OBJ? Is it giving a bunch of money to guys like Brandon Scherff, JC Jackson, Chandler Jones? I really don't know. I am not sure what the "move" is, but this team needs to add talent on both sides of the ball if they want to win it all and the time is now. 

 

Drafting 9 rookies and expecting them to put the team over the top with marginal free agent additions isn't going to cut it. 

 

Feel the same. The Bills need to go all in as the time to win is now. If they end up in cap hell because of it and have to suffer thru a bunch of losing seasons then so be it. Just win one Super Bowl. Like you said anything after that is gravy. If there was ever a fanbase in sports that deserves a championship its Bills fans.