Texans getting closer to hiring Josh McCown as Head Coach

[co_springs_billsfan]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I mean it's not that I don't think he couldn't become a coach, I just think it's a leap to go from assistant high school coach to Head Coach in the NFL.

Is this hyperbole or literal?

[dpberr]

Between this moon shot and a mediocre retread, I'd rather give McCown a shot.  The Texans aren't going anywhere until the Watson "thing" is resolved, so why not?

 

He will win a few games at the outset because nobody knows a thing about him.  

 

 

[frostbitmic]

McCown has played for over a dozen different HC's in his career as a player, he must've learned a lot. 🥸

 

Did Flores laugh at the Texans or didn't he interview there ?

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

Is this hyperbole or literal?

I didn't do an extensive search but it is the last thing he's listed as doing on Wikipedia.

[Bangarang]

How do you even sell this hire to the team and the fans? 

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Bangarang said:

How do you even sell this hire to the team and the fans? 

We have no idea whether he's going to be a good coach or not. But they may have a QB, and if they do, he'll probably be fine if he's competent.

[TBBills]

I was pulling for Jeff Garcia

[thenorthremembers]

I mean the article is a little unfair when saying he has never coached at any level.   My understanding is he coaches high school football...but still yikes.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

This is a low key brilliant move, if Watson is still suspended he can still suit up 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Take away that Buffalo game, and his TD/INT ratio was 16/6 and his completion percentage is around 70. The equal of Mac Jones, basically, at least statistically. He has more arm talent than Jones, and if you look at the final four games of the season, he produced at a near-elite level. @GunnerBill, what say you about Mills?

 

I think he showed promise, absolutely. He played about as well as anyone could have hoped on that team. Certainly with this weak Quarterback class I wouldn't even think about taking one this year. I'd put some pieces around Mills and see if he can take another step in 2022 and then look afresh. 

 

As for McCown the Texans considered hiring him last year. Not a shock they have gone back to that idea. 

Edited January 21, 2022 by GunnerBill

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think he showed promise, absolutely. He played about as well as anyone could have hoped on that team. Certainly with this week Quarterback class I wouldn't even think about taking one this year. I'd put some pieces around Mills and see if he can take another step in 2022 and then look afresh. 

 

As for McCown the Texans considered hiring him last year. Not a shock they have gone back to that idea. 

If there was a re-draft, I think he absolutely goes at least in the second half of round one. 

[Rubes]

43 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

We have no idea whether he's going to be a good coach or not. But they may have a QB, and if they do, he'll probably be fine if he's competent.

 

This would be a great line in the GM's letter to the fans following his hire!

 

[TheFunPolice]

47 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

We have no idea whether he's going to be a good coach or not. But they may have a QB, and if they do, he'll probably be fine if he's competent.

 

This would be an interesting case study in that...

 

If Lefleur, for example, stepped down as Packers HC and everything stayed the same except they hired Dick Jauron as HC I would expect them to still win 13-14 games. 

[BuffaloBill]

3 hours ago, Ben said:

Ive watched a lot of football perhaps I could interview?

 

Can you use a telestrator? But more importantly can you coach speak your way through a press conference? You have done well here posting a lot of verbiage that says nothing important so you’ve got a good start on it….

[John from Riverside]

I did stay at a Holiday Inn once....putting in my application now.

[LeGOATski]

It's pretty clear that the owner does not want the Texans to be good. Content to make a nice profit while keeping the seasons short. 

 

This is a business model most teams go through at various times.

[Albany,n.y.]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I would like to hear Tasker going nuts.  Linky?

 

You just need to listen to the 1st few minutes to hear the Tasker rant:  https://www.buffalobills.com/audio/obl-1-21-greg-cosell-previews-bills-chiefs-friday-mailbag

[Mango]

So when this inevitably fails, what does McCown go do? Does he go from NFL HC to OC for Williamsville North as his second coaching gig ever? 
 

(I am aware Josh McCown has made enough money to never work again)

[FLFan]

Does the NFL have some provision in their bylaws that allows the owners to step in and take a control of a franchise being irresponsibly run into the ground by it owner?  If so, I would have to think the Texans are living on the edge.  I thought Jacksonville was bad, and they are, but the Texans are what the dumpster fire looks like when it no longer has the fuel to burn.  

[Malazan]

It made little sense to get rid of Culley. That roster still needs another year and they have to sort out the Watson situation before it's not dumpster fire status. It feels like they're trying to rush there and while I generally think any rebuild longer than 3 years is failed.. that organization kinda need to accept that this season and likely next season are complete and utter throwaways because of the ditch they dug themselves. 

[BillsMailman]

I vote for Mark Sanchez. Butt fumble lives on

[Joe Mama]

Don't understand how they could pass up this package deal.

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Here's the story: https://www.sbnation.com/2022/1/21/22894848/josh-mccown-texans-coach-qb

 

Steve Tasker went nuts on OBL when they discussed this to open the show.  

Hiring David Culley was almost as bad of a move.  But this hire seems to be legit

[K-9]

This is not out of the box thinking by the Texans. This looks like nobody else returned their calls. And even though there are only 31 jobs like it in the universe, working in that environment just isn’t worth it for many candidates. 

[ny33]

Culley did an outstanding job getting what looked like a 1 win Texans team to 4 wins. The team was competitive in some losses, too. He, Flores, and Zimmer should have been retained. 

[Mr. WEO]

Was Watson first consulted?

[BillsFan4]

I remember reading that they really wanted to hire him last year but I don’t remember why they didn’t.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, BillsFan4 said:

I remember reading that they really wanted to hire him last year but I don’t remember why they didn’t.

 

Because he's a backup QB...

[purple haze]

This is incompetence on parade if true.

[Mr. WEO]

They hired then fired a QB coach.
 

They now  might hire a better QB to BE coach.  
 

Might as well just start picking fans out of the stands for 1 game contracts. 

[CNYfan]

I thought he was well thought of in League circles?

[Cheektowaga Chad]

1 hour ago, ny33 said:

Culley did an outstanding job getting what looked like a 1 win Texans team to 4 wins. The team was competitive in some losses, too. He, Flores, and Zimmer should have been retained. 

Agree. Those changes seemed to be made for change sake

 

I do understand zimmer being let go just because the team wants/needs a different direction at the moment 

 

I think if frazier is hired by someone and zimmer would like a dc job the bills would be very interested 

19 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

I thought he was well thought of in League circles?

I thought so too. But maybe because he doesn't have the experience it upsets a lot of people waiting for their chance. Also the jokes are low hanging fruit 

 

At least he wasn't coaching 13 years olds a year ago(sabres kevyn Adams reference)

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

Does McCown have a special way of dealing with perverts or something?

 

I believe his policy is neutering. 

[GunnerBill]

14 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

He was a finalist for their HC job last year too, right?

 

He was.

[Billy Claude]

9 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

I remember reading that they really wanted to hire him last year but I don’t remember why they didn’t.

 

I think it was mainly there was too much pushback that they were going to hire someone with no coaching experience given a lot of more qualified minority candidates.   Also, they might still have been hoping that they could still get Watson back on board.

 

There was also quite a bit of speculation that they wanted Culley to make McCown the offensive coordinator and then have Culley politely step aside in two years.  Obviously, that did not happen -- I don't if that was because the stories simply not true or possibly McCown turned them down.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

15 hours ago, Jdragon2 said:

I read that as Josh McDaniels because my brain couldn't process how ridiculous it is that it is McCown instead.

I did too and was surprised by the reaction after reading the first few posts.  I though it made sense given the NE connection with Caserio and McDaniels getting a 2nd crack at behind a head coach after years of at least an average offensive coordinator.  It took me until reading the sixth post that that's definitely not who we were talking about.  There's so many more worthy candidates out there.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Without any judgment of people involved, I wonder how much of this is a character issue being forwarded by Easterby. 🤔

[Rochesterfan]

20 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Honestly, this isn't that much different than the Doug Pederson hire, which was similarly laughed at. Pederson has a SB ring and made the playoffs three times in five years. 

The QB -- Mills -- looks like he might be OK and maybe even good. He was the #1 recruit in the country coming out of HS, after all. I think he dropped a bit because he didn't play that much in college (partly due to covid in 2020). His rookie numbers were pretty good, especially considering context and the rought start he got off too (i.e., the Buffalo game). https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MillDa02.htm. Take away that Buffalo game, and his TD/INT ratio was 16/6 and his completion percentage is around 70. The equal of Mac Jones, basically, at least statistically. He has more arm talent than Jones, and if you look at the final four games of the season, he produced at a near-elite level. @GunnerBill, what say you about Mills?

 

This is not like Pederson at all.  Doug was a HC in high school for 4 years, an offensive quality control coach and then QB coach in Philadelphia, an OC in KC that actually called plays for Andy Reid - the year before becoming a head coach.

 

Pederson had 7 years of NFL coaching experience at different levels and 4 years head coaching at a HS level - to go a long with his playing career.  He has seen how to handle an NFL level staff at the NFL level and the entire interaction from medical staff, nutritional staff, work out and training staff, etc.

 

McCown on the other hand has volunteered as a QB coach in HS during his free time and was an assistant coach in HS for last season.  He has no experience at even being a HC let alone any NFL experience and you are talking about a team that just basically paid 22 million for a coach for 1 season and canned him.  If McCown takes the job it is to get paid because this has failure written all over it and will hurt his future chances.

 

 

[Doc]

This has to be a joke, right?  A guy who has never coached a single position in the NFL is going to be made a HC? 

[Rochesterfan]

18 hours ago, K-9 said:

This is not out of the box thinking by the Texans. This looks like nobody else returned their calls. And even though there are only 31 jobs like it in the universe, working in that environment just isn’t worth it for many candidates. 

 

Agreed. 
 

All of that’s fine, but why fire Culley.  You gave him 22 million and 5 years.  At least last year you had some legitimate candidates take you call, but I am assuming they were stuck with Culley for the actual hire.  

 

The situation got worse after firing Culley in 1 year - so now no one wants to take your call.  They were stupid even if they wanted to move on from Culley - you needed to keep him for year 2 at least.

 

Not only are they screwed looking at the HC, but what kind of staff can you put together.  If I have a rookie HC - I want some experience on the staff, but in this case with limited connections - can you even get a competent staff in place?