Billy Claude

Sure, but there was certainly high first round expectations associated with him when he joined Tampa Bay.

I don't see how the best example is not Steve Young. He wasn't part of the regular NFL draft because he signed a 10 year contract with the USFL but he was the first pick in the special USFL/CFL supplemental draft by Tampa Bay. Three of the first four players picked in that draft are in the Hall of Fame, including Reggie White. Young started for two years in Tampa Bay and was absolutely regarded as a bust and then traded for a late second and fourth to the 49ers, which is about what Arizona got for Josh Rosen.

That's crediting Diggs with supervillian level scheming. I highly doubted he was thinking "hey, we just lost the game in a heart-breaking manner, if I stay on the field and watch the Chiefs celebrate, I'll look good and my teammates will look bad". Just because, he was a pain in the ass at the end doesn't mean one needs to discredit everything about the guy his contributions to the Bills.

The Beasley comment was because people were fans were saying that the Bills were all Allen and there he had no talent around him. It was reasonable that he would be somewhat offended by that. I didn't follow the Diggs response but other posters have pointed out some of it was because Bills fans were saying absolutely abhorrent things about him after he expressed condolences following Vontae Davis's death.

3 million is not much considering how much he was paid and that it will be difficult for him to ever get another NFL job.

Would Jared Goff count?

Ryan Tannehill.

Steve Young obviously. Not a new team but a new coach, Alex Smith was a bust until Jim Harbaugh. Geno Smith?

I feel this is basically the strategy the Patriots did during between 2000-2010. They might have had close to as many trade ups as trade downs but almost all the first round trades were trade downs.

I don't believe it is a total crap shoot but it is much more random than most fans, and probably most NFL executives think. The analogy with blackjack is probably more accurate than a lottery. There's a lot of randomness hand to hand but really bad players i.e., Cleveland Browns between 2011-2015, are almost guaranteed to lose.

How was Alex Smith past his prime? He was 27 ot 28 when he was traded to Kansas City, pretty much entering the prime years for a QB. Secondly, it wasn't Andy Reid that worked the miracle with Alex Smith, it was Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh took someone who looked like a all-time bust and made Smith a pretty good QB before he was traded to KC. As for McNabb, he was the #2 pick in his draft year. Andy Reid did a great job with him, but it wasn't like McNabb was a unknown UDFA.

Yes, I over-reacted to the up to 6.5 M. I had expected the guaranteed money to be closer to 3.5M to 4 M similar to the ratio of gauranteed to incentives that Rapp got.

I would be extremely happy and very shocked if Shorter gets anywhere close to Gabe Davis production levels. I don't remember hearing anything good out of him in rookie camp, mini-camp, or training camp and that's the time you usually get stories about how players like Isaiah Hodgins, Brandon Riley, and Austin Poehl might be a poor man's Jerry Rice. People rag on Gabe Davis but he was productive in his role as evident, from the contract he got from the Jaguars.

What's wrong with that? I can understand Beasley being somewhat offended when fans say that it's all Allen and essentially, everyone else is a bum.

I don't bet but are you saying Edey will be drafted in the top 15 or he wont be? I am thinking probably early second round but maybe someone will take a flyer on him and pick him late in the first. See if he can develop into a poor man's Jokic. He just seem to be too slow to be any more than a 10 minute a game guy in todays NBA.