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Just for context, here are a couple of Vegas O/U for 2024: Passing yards Tua: Over 4100.5 +100 Allen: Over 3750.5 -120 Jackson: Over 3250.5 -110 Burrow: Over 4000.5 -105 Passing TDs Tua: Over 25.5 -110 Allen: Over 27.5 +110 Jackson: Over 22.4 -110 Burrow: Over 28.5 +110

He did that stuff all the time. It finally hit critical mass during the Bengals game when he was just undressing Allen on the sidelines, and Josh just sat there and didn’t respond. I’m not generally one who thinks that addition by subtraction is a real thing when it comes to superstars, but there is a case to be made that this could be a rare exception. What surprises me is that Josh never grabbed him by the throat in the locker room and threatened to kick his ass if he ever pulled a stunt like that again. Maybe even more surprising is that Spencer Brown or Dion Dawkins didn’t either. I can’t even imagine what would happen if a WR tried that with Brady, Rodgers, Manning, etc.

This is groundbreaking. Do any other teams utilize similar concepts?

It makes a lot of sense that you’d want to trash a player you were looking to trade thus lowering his value as much as possible.

I think he’s durable enough not to miss the season due to a case of strep throat in July.

So…Michael Thomas it is?

Winning 4 MVPs kinda grants you an exception.

WTF are you talking about? Kansas City traded picks 32, 95, and 221. Buffalo traded picks 28, 133, and 248. Do you think the Bills drafted some superstars with the 3rd and 7th round picks they got from Kansas City while the Chiefs just wiped their ass with the 4th and 7th round picks they got in return from Buffalo? LOFL

What does any of this even mean? It’s like you go point by point and make up BS facts about why the Chiefs front office is clueless. Smith is more than an inch taller than Worthy and weighed one pound more at the combine. If anything, his frame is less sturdy. Kansas City’s game hasn’t been throwing the deep ball because they don’t have the weapons despite trying with MVS, Toney, and Hardman. Drafting Worthy is a pretty unambiguous statement that they would like to get back to having that be a credible threat. You also act like Buffalo got a third round pick from KC plus a fifth round pick (that didn’t come from Kansas City) but didn’t send them a fourth round pick in return. And oh by the way, that bad track record of WRs they’ve drafted recently includes a guy who just put up 900 yards and 7 TDs in the regular season before setting the all time rookie record for receiving in the postseason.

Considering those guys combined for over 400 targets, I realize you pulled that number out of your ass. Those are 8 of the top 9 receiving options for next season (the other being the 8th WR taken in the draft) and every single one of them has to exceed last season’s production just to have a satisfactory year. How likely does it seem that this will happen? Just to put this into perspective, Tyreek Hill had 1800 yards and 13 TDs last year. The top 3 receivers for the Bills combined had 1900 yards and 8 TDs. Diggs and Davis had 1900 and 15.

I think it will because I think this entire conversation about the WR room, without taking into account other potential weapons, is a bit silly to be honest. You have a very good young TE in Kincaid and a guy in Knox who has been productive in his career (although his propensity for drops on easy catches drives me crazy). It would be like having a conversation about the Chiefs receiving ability and leaving out Kelce. I also think we'll see Cook and Davis involved in the passing game. Is there a single pass catcher on this roster, regardless of position, that you would feel good about if they put up the same numbers in 2024 as they did in 2023? Samuel: 613 yards, 4 TDs Kincaid: 673/2 Shakir: 611/2 Knox: 186/2 MVS: 315/1 Hollins: 251/0 Claypool: 77/1 Cook: 445/4

WTF is this? Who are these 50 guys could have put up better numbers than Rashee Rice? His last 10 games, he saw 89 targets. He caught 69 passes for 780 yards and 4 TDs. In just those 10 games, he put up as good or better numbers in every category than any pass catcher currently under contract for the Bills put up all season. He did that while being the #2 option on the team. And you know what his team still did after the season? They went out and made their biggest FA pickup a WR. Then they traded up in the first round of the draft to grab another WR.

Why do people keep making this ridiculous statement? This literally never happens. There is not a single person claiming Alex Smith is better than Aaron Rodgers even though there were plenty who ranked them in that order coming out of college. Nobody dismisses Peyton Manning’s accomplishments in favor of Ryan Leaf or Mahomes in favor of Trubisky or Watson or Trevor Lawrence because of Zach Wilson. It’s not a thing. It doesn’t exist. Similarly, nobody is saying Allen isn’t great. He’s almost certainly going to be in the HOF. He’s not judged against “good”. He’s judged against other HOF level talents. There’s a thread on this board where people are proclaiming him to be the greatest dual threat QB of all time. I can see how some would consider that to qualify as “over-rating” him. Josh is a special talent, but he’s not without flaws. When game planning against him, the strategy is pretty clear. You try not to let him kill you with the home run plays. If you eliminate those, you can wait until he gets careless with the ball and then seize on it. Coaches know that they’re going to get a few opportunities to take the ball away and that they have to capitalize on his bad decisions, fumbles, etc. Nobody ever went into a game against Manning or Brady with a strategy of sitting back and waiting for them to do something stupid. Now those guys couldn’t make the huge plays that Josh can, but there’s still a lot of room for improvement in Josh’s game if he can reduce the amount of times he makes bad decisions or neglects to protect the ball.

Not sure what this has to do with the conversation, but they also drafted Pacheco. When you’ve got a 7th rounder who puts up 1200 yards, 9 TDs, and only fumbles once in 250 touches, you ride that horse. You’re right, though. That was an impressive display of drafting. Kid’s been in the league 2 years and is 7-0 as a starter in the postseason with 2 rings. Not bad for the 251st pick in the draft.

But that’s NOT the comparison. Nobody is talking about what the Bills offense will do in 2027 when Keon’s in his 4th season. The conversation revolves around what the WRs will produce in 2024 versus what they produced in 2023. What Coleman produces after he’s had 3-4 years in the league is immaterial.