Giants interview Schoen for their GM job [Edit: Now hired by Giants as GM]

[No_Matter_What]

Does this mean that we become Giants' Panthers?

 

Congrats to Schoen btw.

[nucci]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To get a longer commitment and more money. The Bills have brought him back twice on cheap 1 year deals. Maybe the Bills are ready to commit to him but I think their tactic of the last two years of let him test the market and wait for him to come back would result in him joining the Giants. 

Yep, but guessing Beasley is gone and McKenzie has a bigger role next year. He's been looking like Deebo lately

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

Yep, but guessing Beasley is gone and McKenzie has a bigger role next year. He's been looking like Deebo lately

 

They will need to pay him like that then. Maybe they do and he stays. 

[eball]

Congrats to Schoen...well deserved.

 

This is what happens when you build a top notch organization...folks will get opportunities.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Opposite of being Shoen the door

[FilthyBeast]

Congrats to Schoen, this is probably one of many dominoes to fall in the next few weeks in terms of Bills FO/coaches pending departures which makes this weeks game and playoff run as a whole so much more important to finish the job so to speak.

 

Also watch the Saquan Barkley trade to Buffalo rumors to gain serious steam in the offseason because of the assumption Schoen will favor his previous employer in any such scenario.

[KingBoots8]

We all knew it was going to happen eventually. He’s been an asset to us and will do good things for the Giants.

 

This also means Daboll and Frazier have a much higher likelihood of going to the NFC, which is preferable if we should lose one or both of them. I’d rather not arm an AFC team (especially in our division) with tools who know us best

 

 

[The Wiz]

25 minutes ago, nucci said:

why would McKenzie leave?

 

22 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:

Money

 

22 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

McKenzie is a free agent after this season.

 

21 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Dollars.  Duh 

I thought they were paying him in candy bars?

 

 

Edited January 21, 2022 by The Wiz

[Cheektowaga Chad]

42 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

PFT noted how likely it is that Schoen will interview Frazier and/or Daboll for head coach.

 

I'm thinking, wouldnt it be very telling if Schoen did Not interview both?  Or that if he only interviewed one, what that means about the other.

 

And if he doesnt interview both, or else interviews neither, is thee a wink/nod not to poach them?  Or have they told him they dont want the Giants HC job anyway?

 

oooooh.  drama.

 

(that's all I got here)

My honest guess is one of the coordinators is going with him and id guess daboll. 

 

But I don't think you can read too much into it if he doesn't interview them. When people leave companies especially for promotions, its not always a great look to poach former co workers out of respect. This is the NFL so a lot of the outside world etiquette isn't the same but wouldn't be weird or shocking in my opinion 

[ColoradoBills]

I don't think Joe Schoen is going to be concerning himself too much about McKenzie.

His biggest decision is QB.

Keep Jones and pick up his 5th or trade up to #1 with the Jags and have his choice of QBs?

He's got more than enough draft capital to do that.

[billsfan89]

I think this is a great hire for the Giants, good and great teams get coaches and players poached. I strongly suspect Daboll will be going to the Giants. The Giants are a great opportunity for a long term rebuild. They have the 5th and 7th picks in the draft and are likely to have low enough expectations given their lack of recent success that they will likely give a new coach 3 seasons to properly rebuild. They have some good defensive talent but on offense lack a lot of punch outside of their tackle Thomas and Barkley. 

 

 I don't think too many players will be poached by the Giants as they don't have a ton of cap space to deal with. Maybe Beasley or Mac get poached and some depth/special teams players. But I don't see the Giants going after bigger ticket players from the Bills. 

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

I don't think Joe Schoen is going to be concerning himself too much about McKenzie.

His biggest decision is QB.

Keep Jones and pick up his 5th or trade up to #1 with the Jags and have his choice of QBs?

He's got more than enough draft capital to do that.

 

This isn't a very strong QB class. I think they stick with Jones for one more year and see what they have before deciding to move on. Schoen and possibly Daboll or Frazier will likely want to poach some Bills talent but I doubt that given the Giants bad cap situation I don't think they have much to work with to go out and steal too many players from the Bills. 

[Greg S]

48 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

PFT noted how likely it is that Schoen will interview Frazier and/or Daboll for head coach.

 

I'm thinking, wouldnt it be very telling if Schoen did Not interview both?  Or that if he only interviewed one, what that means about the other.

 

And if he doesnt interview both, or else interviews neither, is thee a wink/nod not to poach them?  Or have they told him they dont want the Giants HC job anyway?

 

oooooh.  drama.

 

(that's all I got here)

 

The Giants had one of the worst if not the worst offense in the NFL. For that reason alone Daboll has the advantage over Frazier. 

[SectionC3]

34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Also might be a role for some our lower end FAs. If Dabes joins him watch for Isaiah McKenzie signing there. 

I thought about this, too.  Agree on the general point.  Not entirely sure about McKenize bc of the Buscaglia reporting about a coach/coaches having frustration with his cavalier approach to balls security even in practice. 

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

 

The Giants had one of the worst if not the worst offense in the NFL. For that reason alone Daboll has the advantage over Frazier. 

Yup.  And, should he like what he saw on practice, Daboll can bring in a starting-caliber QB with a year in his system.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I thought about this, too.  Agree on the general point.  Not entirely sure about McKenize bc of the Buscaglia reporting about a coach/coaches having frustration with his cavalier approach to balls security even in practice.

 

So I keep asking, and would be very obliged to be pointed at this reporting.  (I'm not doubting, I just want to see it)

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Well, we'll have a good working relationship with the Giants now. Expect more trades with the Giants.

You mean the Bills will become New York West?

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

This isn't a very strong QB class. I think they stick with Jones for one more year and see what they have before deciding to move on. Schoen and possibly Daboll or Frazier will likely want to poach some Bills talent but I doubt that given the Giants bad cap situation I don't think they have much to work with to go out and steal too many players from the Bills.

 

I'm hearing this and will have to take your word for it as I'm not a huge college fan.

The only 2 teams above them maybe in QB play is Detroit and Houston.

Then the decision is whether to pick up Jones' 5th.  If they don't then a tear down is maybe in play.

[BuffaloRebound]

It’s gotta be Daboll.  The #1 Question Schoen will have to answer is the Jones question.  I’m not entirely sure Daboll is head coaching material but if he can turn Jones around, he will have been a good hire.  Finding/developing a QB is arguably as if not more important than find a good head coach.  

[Matt_In_NH]

18 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

 

 

 

I thought they were paying him in candy bars?

 

 

he did mention the word business.  I was surprised at how low he is paid this year and i get the impression maybe he had a better offer but how much better?  If the bills are offering 1 million and another team offers a three year 15 million with 7 guaranteed I would question his sanity if he did not take it.  He has decent return stats now to go with his ability as a jet sweep and slot receiver.   I hope he stays but if he does not he needs to be replaced.  And I don’t think Stevenson is it.  

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

The giants are over the cap next year holy *****. 

Giants also have 2 first round picks in the Top 10.

[Greg S]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Well, we'll have a good working relationship with the Giants now. Expect more trades with the Giants.

 

At the very least I could see joint practices in the summer between the two teams and scrimmage against one another. I could also see the Giants becoming a regular preseason opponent every year like Detroit has been. 

[LABILLBACKER]

52 minutes ago, nucci said:

Yep, but guessing Beasley is gone and McKenzie has a bigger role next year. He's been looking like Deebo lately

If Beasley doesn't return there's no way we let Lil Dirty walk.

[inthebuff]

There's been speculation that Shoen will hire Daboll as the head coach who will be bringing in Buffalo FAs such as Mitchell Trubisky, Isaiah McKenzie, Matt Brieda, and Ryan Bates with him.  I guess that depends on the cap money that the Giants would be able to free up.

[billsfan89]

20 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm hearing this and will have to take your word for it as I'm not a huge college fan.

The only 2 teams above them maybe in QB play is Detroit and Houston.

Then the decision is whether to pick up Jones' 5th.  If they don't then a tear down is maybe in play.

 

I am not a huge college fan either but from what I have been reading about the draft is that the QB's in this year's draft aren't very good. For the most part they are comparing the QB class more to the Daniel Jones/Haskins class instead of recent more star studded QB classes. Of course teams will over draft and QB's shoot up the board but I think given that Jones hasn't really had a decent chance for success they will stick with him for one last season and just see what they have fully and then go after a QB in 2023.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If Beasley doesn't return there's no way we let Lil Dirty walk.

i also think regardless, we are going to pay McKenzie. Nothing outrageous— but maybe a 2 or 3-year deal. He has earned it. 

[BillsVet]

How are the Bills going to replace Schoen?  Has Beane been planning for his departure?  Will the Bills be able to be prepared for free agency and the draft?

 

Inquiring TBD worriers want to know.  Hadn't seen anyone fretting about his departure and wanted to be the first.  

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

Congrats to Schoen, I think this is a great hire by the Giants.  Our FO has been one of the best in the NFL, if he takes what he learned here from Beane there, I think the Giants are in good hands.

 

With this not being seen as a strong QB class, I think its at least possible the Giants see what a new coach can do with Jones this year and use their ammo to rebuild the trenches first.  If they do take a QB this draft, the guy I would keep an eye on is Malik Willis.  And like many have said, Daboll makes a lot of sense for Schoen, but Daboll might have some more attractive situations still offered to him too.

 

I see a lot of talk about Cole and McKenzie...my hats off to McKenzie, he has really made a nice impact in some games lately.  I will however caution people though...its one thing to produce when teams are not prepared or game planning to take you out of a game...its a whole other thing when you are one of the focal points in the offense.  

 

Cole is an ELITE route runner and has exceptional hands.  To just assume Mckenzie could slide into his role where teams focus on stopping him every week is premature still.  Yes he is explosive, but he is small, and for him to excel in Cole's role, he will need to constantly beat people on routes and make those big catches.  Cole is one of the most (and maybe the most) effective third down weapon in the NFL because of his ability to make people look silly in short spaces and fight for yards on YAC.  

 

That being said, with McKenzie having some strong play, and Knox and Davis emerging as legit weapons, I think its at least possible now that Cole be somewhere else next year.  Still not sold Cole wont play out his last year here though, but its not out of the question anymore.  

 

Cole is someone I can see Schoen coveting to bring in, especially if they are going to see if they can help Daniel Jones or rookie QB out.  So it wouldn't surprise me anymore if Cole isn't back next year, and Giants now to me make a lot of sense as a trade partner if so.  

 

Maybe its in a deal that includes Barkley given Giants cap issues too. 

 

Edited January 21, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Punching Bag]

43 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

You mean the Bills will become New York West?

 

No the Jiants will become Buffalo East.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To get a longer commitment and more money. The Bills have brought him back twice on cheap 1 year deals. Maybe the Bills are ready to commit to him but I think their tactic of the last two years of let him test the market and wait for him to come back would result in him joining the Giants. 

Plus the benching 

22 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i also think regardless, we are going to pay McKenzie. Nothing outrageous— but maybe a 2 or 3-year deal. He has earned it. 

I think they will offer him a deal but let him walk if he gets more elsewhere. Same as last two years. He has not gotten a lot of interest on the open market and they will test that theory again. 

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, inthebuff said:

There's been speculation that Shoen will hire Daboll as the head coach who will be bringing in Buffalo FAs such as Mitchell Trubisky, Isaiah McKenzie, Matt Brieda, and Ryan Bates with him.  I guess that depends on the cap money that the Giants would be able to free up.

 

Bates is an RFA so bills can tender him

but seeing as the giants have an o line need we can trade him for saquon straight up lol

Edited January 21, 2022 by aristocrat

[JMF2006]

Congrats and good luck Mr Shoen

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Plus the benching 

I think they will offer him a deal but let him walk if he gets more elsewhere. Same as last two years. He has not gotten a lot of interest on the open market and they will test that theory again. 

i can see that.  As great as McKenzie is, there are a lot of players that are like him.

 

If you look even at the Steelers, they have used Ray Ray with probably similar if not more production  than McKenzie.  I could see Stevenson growing into that role, so long as he doesn’t keep running into his own teammates. 
 

i do think the Bills will give him a fair and better deal though. 

[turftoe]

This is a good team to remake.  If Daboll gets the job, he will bring MT with him. This will already be an upgrade over DJ. He has 2 top 10 picks and is in the weakest division in the NFL. They could be a threat to win the division next year.

Edited January 21, 2022 by turftoe

[BarleyNY]

33 minutes ago, inthebuff said:

There's been speculation that Shoen will hire Daboll as the head coach who will be bringing in Buffalo FAs such as Mitchell Trubisky, Isaiah McKenzie, Matt Brieda, and Ryan Bates with him.  I guess that depends on the cap money that the Giants would be able to free up.

The Giants pretty much have to go full blood bath on their roster.  Their situation is much worse than what McD came into here.  The only player you listed that would make sense to follow Daboll is Trubisky.  Always good to have a QB with experience in your system on your team.

[LyndonvilleBill]

36 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

Cole is an ELITE route runner and has exceptional hands.  To just assume Mckenzie could slide into his role where teams focus on stopping him every week is premature still.  Yes he is explosive, but he is small, and for him to excel in Cole's role, he will need to constantly beat people on routes and make those big catches.  Cole is one of the most (and maybe the most) effective third down weapon in the NFL because of his ability to make people look silly in short spaces and fight for yards on YAC.  

 

 

 

People keep saying McKenzie is small compared to Cole. I don't get it? He's 1/4 " shorter and about the same weight? Does a quarter inch make that much of a difference?

[jwhit34]

Congrats to him, and while losing good people is not desirable, the most important guy in the front office is Brandon Beane, and when you establish a track record of people that work for you go onto bigger jobs it becomes a very effective recruiting tool - come here, help us be successful, learn how we do things and promotional opportunities will come your way. 

[Freddie's Dead]

NFW does Schoen bring Watson to NJ.  He'd never stand for wasting top draft picks on a POS like that.

15 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

People keep saying McKenzie is small compared to Cole. I don't get it? He's 1/4 " shorter and about the same weight? Does a quarter inch make that much of a difference?

 

Ask your wife.

[YoloinOhio]

McKittrick won’t find this same love in nj! Spencer Brown could tuck him in his pocket 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

How are the Bills going to replace Schoen?  Has Beane been planning for his departure?  Will the Bills be able to be prepared for free agency and the draft?

 

Inquiring TBD worriers want to know.  Hadn't seen anyone fretting about his departure and wanted to be the first.  

 

 

 

Enter Luke Kuechly!!

[LyndonvilleBill]

16 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

NFW does Schoen bring Watson to NJ.  He'd never stand for wasting top draft picks on a POS like that.

 

Ask your wife.

Maybe that's why I'm divorced.😜

[Rigotz]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

Yep, but guessing Beasley is gone and McKenzie has a bigger role next year. He's been looking like Deebo lately

 

Comparing McKenzie to Deebo is like comparing Kyler Murray to Josh Allen.