Bills Classless Again [Edit: FinHeaven message board]

[Brennan Huff]

I think it’s funny that the people saying that the team and the organization are classless are the same people calling for Josh to “suffer a career ending injury”. Oh the irony….

[DQW87]

Q.  Duh, why didn't they take a knee?  A  Because they couldn't run the clock out.

Q.  Duh, then why did they go for a two pt conversion?   A. Because that makes it a 3 score game.  

This is professional football and kickoffs have been run back for touchdowns.  Also onside kicks have been recovered.  Not very likely, I get that.  But paid professionals play until there is no more doubt. Unless you are pushing for a mercy rule to be installed?

[pennstate10]

3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

https://news.yahoo.com/buffalo-classlessness-aside-miami-dolphins-210125280.html

 

Not just the forums. Apparently the local media is a bit sour as well.

 

Must be all the lime in the Corona's 😂

They’re a bunch of idiots. 
 Literally, one play before the announcers were saying it would be a tough decision to kick or not kick a FG, as a block return would set dolphins up for a win. 
 

So gameclearly wasn’t over before 17 scored on the running play. 

[LV Bills fan]

2 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

 

Cost me $10 on a bet that the final score total would be an even number.

 

*edit*

But to be fair, the TD did win me multiple other bets leading to a net profit on the day, so I wasn't too broken up over it.

You make bets on whether the score will be an even or odd number? That’s pretty sick bro. 

[Scott7975]

4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

yeah, that’s exactly why they did it. Go up 3 scores. But, come on. Game was way over.  

 

Its good practice for when we may need to score 2 down the road.  Its a situational thing IMO.  They are at a point in the game where if they dont convert its not a big deal so good time to practice it.

[Utah John]

About going for two on the last touchdown -- the Bills won by 15.  What was the point spread?  I think I saw it was 16.  I could be wrong, and it could by one thing has nothing to do with the other.

 

Maybe it was a case like someone else suggested, that the Bills took the opportunity to try something new.  But that doesn't really make sense -- if you have a new play, you don't try it out so your opponents see it on film.

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

 

According to Chris Collinsworth that’s ok when you play Josh Allen. It was still over the top with the waving imo. You’ve already crushed their soul multiple times. But like I said I didn’t rewind so I didn’t see how bad it might of been. I’d obviously have a different tune if Allen had been injured 

Did you just say according to Chris Collinsworth tell me that you understand the problem with that

[MJS]

5 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I don’t think scoring a TD there was bad form. He was running the ball.
 

that said, I didn’t care that they went for 2. Game was over. 

Good to practice a play in live action that you don't get to practice much.

 

But I think they went for two because Miami did earlier. I don't really like that mentality. Just do what's best for your team on each play regardless of what happened earlier. And you don't want to risk a starter on offense getting hurt. If Allen got hurt on that 2 point play, that would have been horrible.

 

But I don't think anything classless happened.

 

Honestly, teams should be scoring as much as possible because margin of victory is one of the playoff seeding tie breakers. You have to balance that with injury risk and closing out games, though.

Edited November 1, 2021 by MJS

[Beast]

They're fans. I get it. If the Bills were on the receiving end of ass kickings (I was around for Miami kicking our teeth in in the 70's) and waves goodbye, I'd be pissed too, no matter the reason for ass kickings or waves goodbye.

 

Remember the outrage when Jimmy Johnson stomped on a box of Flutie Flakes when Miami beat us in the playoffs? LOL

 

 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Beast

[CSBill]

The disturbing part of the 2 point attempt: The terrible execusion and futility of it. It was dead on arrival. Mix that with the last play in Tennessee, we've got to do better in those late all-or-nothing situations.

[Rc2catch]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Did you just say according to Chris Collinsworth tell me that you understand the problem with that

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I’ve come to realize that a 10 point deficit with 10 minutes to go is achievable.  
 

So YES you make it a 2 + score to ensure a W

 

(well maybe not for Miami) 

 

 

[cd1]

5 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

Allen might get fined for the waving, Lamb got fined last week.

 

I thought the same thing. I wished Allen showed more class.

 

However, (I have not had a chance to re-watch yet) it has occurred to me that Josh might have not been waving but making the hand motion of "Yapping" or "flapping your jaws".  

 

I thought he was waving but I also wondered why all of the refs right there seemed to ignore it rather than flag him for TAUNTING.

 

[Greg S]

Let me see if I understand the Dolphins thread. It's basically Fins fans.....

 

 

 

[T master]

This resembles what a lot of teams including the Bills would say of Belichek about running up the score but keep it up right until the last whistle blows it would be a totally different out look if it were there team doing it .

 

If you don't like them scoring then stop them & don't allow your team to give up before the final whistle .

[billsfanmiamioh]

6 hours ago, DQW87 said:

Q.  Duh, why didn't they take a knee?  A  Because they couldn't run the clock out.

Q.  Duh, then why did they go for a two pt conversion?   A. Because that makes it a 3 score game.  

This is professional football and kickoffs have been run back for touchdowns.  Also onside kicks have been recovered.  Not very likely, I get that.  But paid professionals play until there is no more doubt. Unless you are pushing for a mercy rule to be installed?

Yeah, I was there for Dallas MNF 🤦🏻‍♂️

[Pete]

The Bills are classless for scoring a TD in the last minutes 🙄

 

many, many there are hoping with glee to see Josh injured, hurling personal insults throughout the thread. 

^lots of Gandhi fans on fin board LOL

[Thurman#1]

Back in the bad old days we had people start the exact same kinds of threads on Bills boards when teams would beat the crap out of us, particularly Belichick.

 

There probably is a point at which it's classless running it up, but as a lot of the Fin fans said, if you don't like it, stop them from scoring.

[muppy]

9 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

***** the Fish.  ***** the Miami Herald.  ***** the City of Miami.  ***** anything remotely related to Miami.

here's the thing. I'm acclimating myself to being a Top Dawg in the NFL this is new for this decade. SO if We as a fanbase AND a team have a few growing pains in how we handle being on top so be it.

 

Is #17 a huge trash talker? I dont think so do you? He wants to SHOW what he's got not flap his gums about how good he is etc. Quite the opposite. The Bills drafted a kid with not only physical elite ability but Mental as well...dude is smart he'll adapt an earn as he needs to (aka what coach McD TELLS him to do)

 

That's my take 

 

and as far as away message boards are concerned the KC was for me a new low...Miami can whine and moan *smirks*  laughs..........hahahaaaaaa

 

m

Edited November 1, 2021 by Muppy

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

 

According to Chris Collinsworth that’s ok when you play Josh Allen. It was still over the top with the waving imo. You’ve already crushed their soul multiple times. But like I said I didn’t rewind so I didn’t see how bad it might of been. I’d obviously have a different tune if Allen had been injured 

 

 

Oh, nonsense, that's not what Collinsworth said. He only said it's a fact that it goes on, not that it's defensible or reasonable.

[JMF2006]

Well in defense of this Josh did break Cam's record of 27 rushing TD's in his first 50 games by getting #28 

[Process]

Allen and Wilkins hugging after the game. Keep crying dolphins fans.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, DQW87 said:

Q.  Duh, why didn't they take a knee?  A  Because they couldn't run the clock out.

Q.  Duh, then why did they go for a two pt conversion?   A. Because that makes it a 3 score game.  

This is professional football and kickoffs have been run back for touchdowns.  Also onside kicks have been recovered.  Not very likely, I get that.  But paid professionals play until there is no more doubt. Unless you are pushing for a mercy rule to be installed?

 

 

Yup. Not likely but it does happen. One onside kick was recovered this week, I believe.

 

But most of the Fins fans understood. There were definitely a bunch of whiners there, but most got it.

Edited November 1, 2021 by Thurman#1

[JESSEFEFFER]

18 minutes ago, cd1 said:

 

I thought the same thing. I wished Allen showed more class.

 

However, (I have not had a chance to re-watch yet) it has occurred to me that Josh might have not been waving but making the hand motion of "Yapping" or "flapping your jaws".  

 

I thought he was waving but I also wondered why all of the refs right there seemed to ignore it rather than flag him for TAUNTING.

 

 

Wilkins is heatedly complaining to the Ref about something and Josh was pointing out that the game was all over but the bitching and moaning, the last refuge of losers.  So, yes, I think you have it correct and most everyone else had it pegged wrong as a wave.  Lots of videos of it on Twitter.  One is from the Bills' official account.

[hondo in seattle]

Did you guys actually read the thread the OP posted?

 

Many/Most Fins fans do NOT agree with the whining about the Bills running up the score - for a variety of reasons.  

[starrymessenger]

I guess some of those folks did not see Allen after the game with his arms around Tua giving the kid some encouragement. By and large the players don’t hate one another.

[Sharky7337]

It does seem like the bills broke that team last year in that last game.

 

But they are really grasping at straws now to find reasons to blame us lol

Edited November 1, 2021 by Sharky7337

[GunnerBill]

So normally I am not a fan of running the score up. But on the accusations of the Bills doing it twice vs Miami I don't think it holds up to scrutiny.

 

Exhibit A

Week 17, 2020 season - It was 28-3 at half time. Maybe the Dolphins think we should have let up mid 2nd quarter or something? At which point the Bills pulled the starters. We scored 4 touchdowns in the second half. A pick 6 from a backup corner (Josh Norman). Two rushing touchdowns from our FOURTH string running back and then, fair enough, the last touchdown was a 56 yard pass play, maybe the Bills didn't need to call a deep shot there. But most of the second half we ran the ball to just milk the clock with Antonio Williams and he had 12 carries for 63 yards (at over 5 yards per carry) and two touchdowns. Not the Bills' fault Miami had quit and couldn't stop a 4th stringer. 

 

Exhibit B 

Week 8, 2021 season - The Bills are up by 9, both teams are out of time outs and it is 3rd and 6 from the 7 yard line. If the Bills just take a knee there and then let the clock run before kicking a FG they are only up by 12 and can potentially still lose the game with a FG and a touchdown (although admittedly with only 35 seconds remaining), but there is a risk there.... a return touchdown or even as Lofton mentioned on the broadcast a blocked FG return for a touchdown that means the Dolphins can onside kick and try a long FG to win the game. I don't know that the Bills necessarily called that boot action for Allen to score.... I think they knew they might which would put the game completely away but I suspect they would have been content with him getting inside the 1 for the first down. I get it the chances are small but running up the score to me is keep scoring when the game is totally safe. If the Bills were already two touchdowns up before that play I think they just kneel, but they weren't. 

[1ManRaid]

6 hours ago, LV Bills fan said:

You make bets on whether the score will be an even or odd number? That’s pretty sick bro. 

 

Las Vegas...

Checks out.

[SoTier]

I had to ROTFLMAO at the whiney ignoramus who claimed that other teams and other QBs didn't/don't run up the score ... and used Brady, Brees and Mahomes as examples. 

[Hsker4life]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Oh, nonsense, that's not what Collinsworth said. He only said it's a fact that it goes on, not that it's defensible or reasonable.

I don’t remember his exact words, but he 100% was excusing the act of trying to twist Allen’s leg.

[Not at the table Karlos]

13 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

I love Josh and as a bills fan I have no problem in what they did.

 

But let's be honest.

 

How pissed would you be if let's say Mahomes was flexing hard after a TD/ chirping, and then they went for 2 when the game is out of reach with 1 minute to play?
 

Haha. Just a little perspective i think sometimes.

 

 

 

If my DT was committing penalties, playing dirty and talking s*** the whole game I wouldn't have a problem with an opposing QB chirping back 

Edited November 1, 2021 by Not at the table Karlos

[Alphadawg7]

I dont know why this is so confusing for some of the Fins fans and even some of the Bills fans in the other thread about this.  

 

1.  Bills could not take a knew and run the clock all the way out.  

2. Bills had to score or get a first down to essentially officially end the game.  

3. Bills need to keep clock running, so only a run will be called.  Allen rolling out can simply go down on his own if no lane is there for either the first down or the score.  

4.  As far as the 2 point conversion, how is this even confusing for anyone?  Without it, the score is a 2 score game still.  If dolphins run the kickoff back or score fast on a big play, they could still kick an onside and try and score again.  Converting the 2 point conversion made it a 3 score game and unofficially ends the game.  

 

There was nothing classless at all about the Bills decisions.  Anyone who cant see that just wasn't actually paying attention to the final details of that game or doesn't understand football.  

[jkeerie]

Those whiny Dolphins fans have it all wrong saying the Bills disrespected the Dolphins.  It's because the Bills and McD respect the Dolphins that they went for the two points to put the Bills up 3 scores versus 2.  On the previous possession, the Dolphins hit a big play to put the ball at the 2 yard line, ran it in and then scored a 2 pt conversion.  Plus the Bills have been on the receiving end of flukey plays that lose a game they thought was won.  They've seen teams score quickly and then recover onside kicks (see Texans scoring 14 pts on a TD and recovered kick vs Rams.)  Those fans are showing more disrespect for their team than anyone.

[Royale with Cheese]

Allen basically told Tua he was terrible.  Encouraging and positive words for sure but he's not saying that to a QB who isn't struggling.

Sink Dolphins sink.  

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I dont know why this is so confusing for some of the Fins fans and even some of the Bills fans in the other thread about this.  

 

1.  Bills could not take a knew and run the clock all the way out.  

2. Bills had to score or get a first down to essentially officially end the game.  

3. Bills need to keep clock running, so only a run will be called.  Allen rolling out can simply go down on his own if no lane is there for either the first down or the score.  

4.  As far as the 2 point conversion, how is this even confusing for anyone?  Without it, the score is a 2 score game still.  If dolphins run the kickoff back or score fast on a big play, they could still kick an onside and try and score again.  Converting the 2 point conversion made it a 3 score game and unofficially ends the game.  

 

There was nothing classless at all about the Bills decisions.  Anyone who cant see that just wasn't actually paying attention to the final details of that game or doesn't understand football.  

 

Well said and spot on. It really is not that difficult to understand. The only thing I would add is that Sean McDermott has nothing but respect for this game. He preaches it every day. He is not going to engage in behavior that is, or could be perceived as, disrespectful. That is not who he is.

[jimmy10]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Josh punk on someone who wasn’t punking on him first. But the camera, like the lunch monitor, always focuses on the retaliation, not the initial incident. 

[DrDawkinstein]

I liked this one too...

 

[May Day 10]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I liked this one too...

 

 

I laughed at the tiny piece of response just below it

[Monty98]

I just don't understand the whole why try to go up 17 complaint from them...Because even if we collapse you can't score more than 16 points over two possessions. It's effectively 3 scores and over then

Edited November 2, 2021 by Monty98