ganesh Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, ganesh said: And theree is a very good chance Darnold succeeds this year in Carolina And here was the 1st sentence that came out of the two QBs: (not exactly....but close enough) Josh Allen - Thank you to the Bills organization to making the leap in me and putting the faith in me. I am going to make them look the smartest people out there. I am humble and blessed to be part of the Bills Mafia. It is the greatest day of my life ! Josh Rosen - There were nine mistakes made ahead of me, In the next decade or so I will prove that they made mistakes... Allen was focused on his new team...Rosen was focused the 9 teams that did not draft him.....The attitude was visible.... It is sad that a highly sought after college recruit, who was the first true freshman to start at UCLA screwed up in the NFL..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammer8732 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 https://www.nfl.com/news/49ers-waiving-quarterback-josh-rosen Which Josh was you pulling for on draft day? Love this brass at One Bills Drive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 we know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Always have said,,,,,,and Spectrum News has my reaction....the Bills picked the best Josh!!! Was a sweet day and I didn't even realize how good it was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 49 minutes ago, Augie said: Full disclosure……I agreed with you at the time. I think letting that out might help……… Specifically, Allen reminded me of our last few first round QB busts, EJ and JP. Good arms, great athletes, 10 cent heads. Obviously, that turned out NOT to be the case with Allen. He's not only exceptionally bright, but also has an iron will. He simply will not stop until he's the best quarterback he can possibly be. That separates him from most. Josh Allen's success taught me one thing: there is no statistic -- analytics or otherwise -- that can measure the heart of a man. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 4 hours ago, JohnNord said: There are some who are still convinced that Josh Rosen just needs the right situation to be successful Like the cheat codes in Madden? 🤷🏻♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: "Because over the next decade or so, each of those nine teams will sign me to their practice squad, and I will tell them myself!" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 3 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: And in both Miami and SF, there has been an established veteran at #1 on the depth chart making him number 3. He needs reps to show what he has got or not got. NOT got.......period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Draconator said: He had all the reps in Arizona. You saw the result. I watched most of their games that season and he really didn’t look that bad for a rookie QB on a horrible team. But they never gave him a chance to improve. They got a new coach, a new QB and kicked him to the curb. He has never been in a stable situation since. He may have never become good but he really had no chance. Life isn’t fair I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: For a rookie with non-existent support, he still won 3 games and had a 66+ Rating - FYI Peyton Manning with a lot more support had 71 rating in his rookie season. But Arizona hired Kingsbury and had the #1 pick, which made the Murray pick inevitable. Even so, Arizona was undecided for a long while - not at all like the Burrow / Lawrence scenarios. With even the #2 pick instead of #1, Arizona woulda likely continued with Rosen. This comes to the heart of the matter. When you are the third stringer practice reps are at a premium. I am not sure he got enough in Mia and SF. He may have still sucked with enough practice reps - but we would never know unless he gets those reps. Wow.....even after all the evidence your fanboy for him is STILL strong. Crazy!! Just Crazy!!! You related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I think that's about it for Rosen? Can't even stick as a backup anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, Logic said: Josh Allen's success taught me one thing: there is no statistic -- analytics or otherwise -- that can measure the heart of a man. If Hallmark had a “guy’s division”, that would be in there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Augie said: If Hallmark had a “guy’s division”, that would be in there! Thank You Augie!!! I Agree !!0% on this!! 120%!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Well he is "making them pay" him by bouncing around different teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 43 minutes ago, vincec said: I watched most of their games that season and he really didn’t look that bad for a rookie QB on a horrible team. But they never gave him a chance to improve. They got a new coach, a new QB and kicked him to the curb. He has never been in a stable situation since. He may have never become good but he really had no chance. Life isn’t fair I guess. Really? He made like 6 good throws all year. He was horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 4 hours ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said: Sign him and we will have Three first Round picks at Qb. How many teams can ever say that! 2018 Ravens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I was never a fan but he really hadn't had the best coaching staffs to work with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 5 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: I may be in the minority here but I actually feel kinda bad for the kid. Like Darnold I feel he didn't get the commitment to develop and build around them from the team that drafted them. You get drafted and then your new HC runs you out of town the following year. WTF Arizona!! That being said, I'm so glad we have our guy! Good luck to you Joshua Ballinger Lippincott Rosen😝 I was just talking to a buddy about how Fromm is getting a raw deal from us. 5th rd pick. 2years out of practice because of covid. Even if he were to be here next year how much effort are the coaches going to put into trying to develop a 5th rd pick, that hasnt played and likely regressed since he was drafted in the 5th. Im guessing not much effort. Dude gets released and whats his angle from there? NFL is a ruthless business!!! Fromms gunna have some regrets about his career whenever its all over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: You might be trolling all of us but let me comment if what you post is what you think. After his ARZ deal he was given a great chance to show something in MIA. He played in the first 5 games starting the last 3. His last game started in the NFL Stat Line is as follows: 15 of 25 for 85 Yards. A 3.4 yards per attempt and a -.2 yards Adjusted Yards per Attempt. 0 TDs vs 2 INT (1TD vs 5 INT while with MIA). 5 Sacks QBR of 32.9 out of a possible 158.3. How anyone can defend that and use his "poor little ego was crushed" in ARZ gets nothing but crocodile tears from me. Then end it all with being cut on a team from 90 players down to 85. All armchair GMs should take this to heart. Trolling? Cmon dude. Just saying he wasn't put in the best situations to succeed. Not a very good team in Arizona albeit a lot better than what Josh had. I'm not saying he would've set the world ablaze, he probably would've still sucked. I kinda get his cocky entitled attitude rubbed people the wrong way. You don't think Josh has some cockiness to him? Plenty of players have already come out and said he does his fair share of 💩 talking. To his credit he just keeps it on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 7 hours ago, Draconator said: You're not getting enough reps because you suck, wrong Josh! The Cowboys seem like an ideal spot for this guy to try to reclaim his career since Daks shoulder is a mystery and their backups are abysmal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Not sure if I feel bad for him or if this maybe continues to validate that he's as much of a jerk as originally advertised, in which case haha. Apparently he was whining about reps recently, so could be a healthy dose of nobody can stand the guy. Twitter seems to think he goes to Atlanta. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 He’ll be lucky to make the PS somewhere as long as it’s not in Buffalo. I wish him no ill will, but he definitely shouldn’t tell reporters he’s not getting enough reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen2 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Allen was thrown into a worse situation than Rosen and Darnold his rookie year. Neither get sympathy from me. 100% true. However, the Cards and the Jets drafted Rosen and Darnold to take them to the Super Bowl, we drafted Allen to develop, and HE will be the only one of the three to take his team to the Super Bowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Local radio guy, who was clearly a wrong Josh proponent during draft, stated Rosen just was in bad situations. Went so far as to say that Sam Fran has some of the best backup QBs in league and Tua in Miami has just shown so much. It was funny and sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 This guy is on/off his third team in less than 4 years.....I think that says everything that needs to be said. A whole bunch of injuries in the CFL could open another door if he really wants to play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I’m so glad I didn’t “pound the table” for any particular QB prior to the 2018 draft…I trusted Beane to do his research and make whatever moves were necessary to get his guy. I wasn’t in love with any one QB and saw strengths/weaknesses in all of them. I would have been ok with trading down and grabbing Jackson, for example. In retrospect it just all worked out so perfectly for Buffalo, and for Allen. As for Rosen…well, the knock on him coming out was to question his dedication, and that while he might have a higher floor than others his ceiling was also limited. Kudos once again to Beane for getting the guy with a sky-high ceiling, even if it took some work to get there. I don’t give Josh Rosen a second thought. “Bad situations” or not, the good/great ones rise to the occasion. He’s a historical footnote at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 13 hours ago, No_Matter_What said: I still don't get how it is possible to be scouted by hundreds of people, getting picked in top 10 and then flame out like this. I know it happens all the time and that there are many variables in ones NFL career but I still find it bizarre. Only conclusion I can come to is that the mental makeup of a QB is grossly undervalued. The distinction between Rosen's feeling of entitlement and Allen's desire to work for everything he has is such a stark difference. This was what made Brady great, too. Even now at his age, during the SB for whatever reason, Tyrann Mathieu did something to annoy Brady and he responded by telling him he's going to throw in his direction before proceeding to do it several times. It's pretty funny that he still has the chip on his shoulder after all this time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 The shortest synopsis that explains everything: He is and always has been a d**k, and that’s fine, but he better be able to lead men. Not boys…men. He can’t. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said: The shortest synopsis that explains everything: He is and always has been a d**k, and that’s fine, but he better be able to lead men. Not boys…men. He can’t. It’s the droopy shoulders Donuts—why didn’t any of the scouts pick up on the fact that men will never follow droopy shoulders into brick walls? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 11 hours ago, ganesh said: And theree is a very good chance Darnold succeeds this year in Carolina We'll see. I think his ceiling is average starting QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 He's swirling the bowl. Right on the precipice of a dark plunge into the void. Will he last another flush? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 14 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Wherever he goes, teams immediately draft their QB of the future. No one seems to see enough there, to try and develop him. I see a career backup who will have a few good games or maybe even season, in relief, after 8-10 years in the league and then end up back on the bench til he retires. Another way to put it is that multiple NFL teams got a good, long look at a guy with a first round pedigree at the most important position in sports, and each of those teams couldn't get Rosen off their roster fast enough. They're seeing a bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: Another way to put it is that multiple NFL teams got a good, long look at a guy with a first round pedigree at the most important position in sports, and each of those teams couldn't get Rosen off their roster fast enough. They're seeing a bust. Exactly. Do you think these teams would have passed up the chance to have an 8-10 year quality QB2 on their roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I think Rosen was a popular choice for many Bills fans on draft day because they had their fill of Roman/Tyrod. They craved a passer and the scuttlebutt was that Rosen was not only the most accomplished passer in the draft but that he was one of the best in recent drafts. I’m not sure this belief was justified even at the time if one closely checked out his college tape. Anyway Bills fans obviously wound up with a top shelf passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 2 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Can you imagine Rosen as QB and Tebow at TE? Unstoppable Judaism and Christianity working 'hand in hand'. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I’ve posted many times Allen was my #1 but Rosen was my #2. If you look at 2018 stats both were very similar. Completion percentage 52, a little over 2000 yards and both with more interceptions than TDs. One stays put and gets better the other becomes a vagabond. Had Denver taken Allen I have no doubt Beane would have taken Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Somewhere, KD DIggz and 26Corner are crying in their beers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 cfl probably the place for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 I hope he invested his NFL money wisely and/or has a career waiting for him outside of the NFL. Because he’s done there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Local radio guy, who was clearly a wrong Josh proponent during draft, stated Rosen just was in bad situations. Went so far as to say that Sam Fran has some of the best backup QBs in league and Tua in Miami has just shown so much. It was funny and sad. When attempting to look at things in reality, its best to make the least the amount of assumptions possible. In this instance radio guy is asserting that Rosen ran into the most terrible situation possible 3 different times, and the teams, not Rosen were the issue on 3 different occasion. The more logical, and realistic situation is Rosen is either not that good to start with. In this instance, radio guy is a Rosen homer. Edited August 18, 2021 by thenorthremembers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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