Ramza86 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Rainy or snowy and windy night. A Steeler D that leads the league in sacks. Gets alot of pressures. Im one to believe this is the type of game that QBs just dont look good in. If Allen can beat the elements, a wet ball and that Steeler pressure and have another "player of the week" performance....then I believe he will be worth top 3 money and we would pay it in an instant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) The Bills ability to handle blitz pressure and to give Allen time to make decisions will be important. They need to keep Watt from taking over the game. Strip sacks or rushed throws into coverage could be killers. I sure as hell expect the Steelers to not sit back like the Niners did. To me though, it's about leading a team to wins. If Allen can do that, I don't care how many yards, tds he throws etc. Edited December 12, 2020 by BubbaT 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Really is that all. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, Warcodered said: Really is that all. Thats it. Thats the final test. If he can look sharp Sunday night and toy with the Steelers D hes at a superbowl mvp level. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I disagree on your basic premise here. Allen is beyond having a single game define him unless that game is a conference championship or the Super Bowl. Allen has convinced me he is the Bills franchise QB and is a top 5 talent. But that doesn't mean he won't lay an egg and play terribly. Aaron Rogers is a top 5 guy and played horribly against Tampa Bay. I hope Allen plays great Sunday night but even more I hope we win. But if Allen stumbles so be it. Won't change my belief in the least that he's a top 5 QB. 10 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Allen doesn’t need this game to prove that he’s an elite player. 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 These types of games aren't about looking good it's about winning. The next step for Allen is team success. Division titles, playoff wins. You have to win these late season big games to have team success. 1 minute ago, Magox said: Allen doesn’t need this game to prove that he’s an elite player. This one helps. There will be more though so his career won't be defined by this game. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Magox said: Allen doesn’t need this game to prove that he’s an elite player. Only to the talking heads he does 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I think he’s going to be up to it. This is his time to take that step into stardom on a national stage vs a model franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 He's already worth top 3 money. Allen's going to be the highest paid player in the game when he gets his new deal, regardless of what happens vs the Steelers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: Rainy or snowy and windy night. A Steeler D that leads the league in sacks. Gets alot of pressures. Im one to believe this is the type of game that QBs just dont look good in. If Allen can beat the elements, a wet ball and that Steeler pressure and have another "player of the week" performance....then I believe he will be worth top 3 money and we would pay it in an instant. So if Allen only throws for 200 and 1 TD, he won't be worth top money? and the apostrophe is your friend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: Rainy or snowy and windy night. A Steeler D that leads the league in sacks. Gets alot of pressures. Im one to believe this is the type of game that QBs just dont look good in. If Allen can beat the elements, a wet ball and that Steeler pressure and have another "player of the week" performance....then I believe he will be worth top 3 money and we would pay it in an instant. I don't think Beane and Co will be deciding on Allen's worth by one game If nothing else, Daboll has made it clear that he expects Allen to execute the game plan he's given. If the game plan calls for running 38 times and passing 18 times, that's what Daboll expects. If that results in 11 of 18 for 157 yds and no TDs and we win while the talking heads be all "see last week was a fluke, he's not that good" Daboll and Allen be all "Boo *****in Hoo" 5 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think Beane and Co will be deciding on Allen's worth by one game If nothing else, Daboll has made it clear that he expects Allen to execute the game plan he's given. If the game plan calls for running 38 times and passing 18 times, that's what Daboll expects. If that results in 11 of 18 for 157 yds and no TDs and we win while the talking heads be all "see last week was a fluke, he's not that good" Daboll and Allen be all "Boo *****in Hoo" This is all that the media has been on about. Josh had a bad week because he didn't light a team up. Who cares as long as the team is winning and executing the game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Rainy or snowy and windy night. A Steeler D that leads the league in sacks. Gets alot of pressures. Im one to believe this is the type of game that QBs just dont look good in. If Allen can beat the elements, a wet ball and that Steeler pressure and have another "player of the week" performance....then I believe he will be worth top 3 money and we would pay it in an instant. God I hope he can live up to your expectations! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Rainy or snowy and windy night. A Steeler D that leads the league in sacks. Gets alot of pressures. Im one to believe this is the type of game that QBs just dont look good in. If Allen can beat the elements, a wet ball and that Steeler pressure and have another "player of the week" performance....then I believe he will be worth top 3 money and we would pay it in an instant. Bro, I respectfully disagree. JA has already proven himself and gets the benefit of the doubt when he plays a game that he struggles in. Every QB has games where they look average or stink up the joint. If he struggles, he’s still one of the top QBs right now. If he plays well, it just reveals what we already know about him. JA’s next hurdle is to play well in the playoffs. Those are the games that are now career defining for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Rainy or snowy and windy night. A Steeler D that leads the league in sacks. Gets alot of pressures. Im one to believe this is the type of game that QBs just dont look good in. If Allen can beat the elements, a wet ball and that Steeler pressure and have another "player of the week" performance....then I believe he will be worth top 3 money and we would pay it in an instant. I am thinking it will be the same for the Steelers...........Ben vs Josh.....I like the younger guy to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Magox said: Allen doesn’t need this game to prove that he’s an elite player. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't have anything to do with proving anything. It's about elevating his play against really good defenses and winning tight games against the best teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanticleerBillsFan Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 It will box all anti-Joshers in if he lights up the Steelers. No way out. Best defense in the league. 11-1. Big stage. Let’s get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Allen doesn’t need to throw all game to play well. He can still do so if we go more run-heavy. He has about 85% of the media declaring him elite... make no mistake, him playing well in this game will force the remaining 15% to our side. That doesn’t matter beyond perception, but for marketing & exposure, this is a big game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 hours ago, GoBills808 said: He's already worth top 3 money. Allen's going to be the highest paid player in the game when he gets his new deal, regardless of what happens vs the Steelers. I doubt he gets more than Mahomes without a Championship. If the Bills win the Superbowl this season, or I suppose if the cap does sink to $175m and they decide to hold off on extending Allen for a year then if the Bills win the Superbowl next season, then I would think he becomes the highest paid. He is definitely getting top 3 money though. Allen is the only possible extension guy this offseason who is gonna go into that spot. I think the Bills would love to slide Allen right in between Wilson and Watson... somewhere around $37m per year but with a big chunk of signing bonus to be paid immediately to get him to leave some yearly average on the table. Allen's side I imagine starts their negotiation right between Mahomes and Watson at about $42m per year. Of course if we win a Superbowl before he signs it then all bets are off and Allen's side are likely asking to be paid more than Pat. If as has been rumoured the past week the NFL is gonna go for a stagnant cap in 2021 I think the Allen deal will get done this offseason. If the cap comes down however they probably wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I think the game plan for Sunday night will be a throw back to the last couple of years with designed runs for Josh and a game plan that gives him the green light to tuck the ball and take off if the safeties turn their backs on him. Use pre-snap motion to manipulate the defense and open up lanes for Josh to run. Jet sweep to the right and have Josh sneak out to the left. Run away from the side of the field TJ Watt is lining up on and see if their backup LBs can contain Josh. He doesn't need to run for 20 yards. He can break the Steeler's back with repeated 6-8 yard runs. If they start to spy Josh that's when Daboll should dial up a down the field shot. I expect Josh to rush for 75+ yards Sunday. Josh's legs will be the X-factor this week if the weather is as bad as predicted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 For me he has do everything the OP said but also pilot one of the jets in the pre game fly over. then and only then do i give him a big contract. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Quick slants and JA getting the ball out in under 2 seconds will be the key in this one.....can the Oline hold up? Stay tuned,folks....were all in for one hell of a ride. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 He does have to show that he can be the same player when it's cold out. He really does. This would be the game to do it. Literally all of his good games have been in hot weather or domes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 If he doesn't get at least 500 yards & 5 TDs, offer him 5 M and see if his agent bites. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Rainy or snowy and windy night. A Steeler D that leads the league in sacks. Gets alot of pressures. Im one to believe this is the type of game that QBs just dont look good in. If Allen can beat the elements, a wet ball and that Steeler pressure and have another "player of the week" performance....then I believe he will be worth top 3 money and we would pay it in an instant. Actually there will be none of that weather wise. It is supposed to have a chance of rain and be windy in the morning. By kickoff at 8pm it will be cloudy with a 5% chance of rain and winds under 10mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share Posted December 12, 2020 12 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: I disagree on your basic premise here. Allen is beyond having a single game define him unless that game is a conference championship or the Super Bowl. Allen has convinced me he is the Bills franchise QB and is a top 5 talent. But that doesn't mean he won't lay an egg and play terribly. Aaron Rogers is a top 5 guy and played horribly against Tampa Bay. I hope Allen plays great Sunday night but even more I hope we win. But if Allen stumbles so be it. Won't change my belief in the least that he's a top 5 QB. I agree hes going to get paid regardless what happens. But he needs to show us he can win against pressure, outdoors in the elements. This team will be seeing a lot of outdoor games in January for the next 10 years. Allen has to show he can be just as comfortable as he is indoors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just win baby!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I doubt he gets more than Mahomes without a Championship. If the Bills win the Superbowl this season, or I suppose if the cap does sink to $175m and they decide to hold off on extending Allen for a year then if the Bills win the Superbowl next season, then I would think he becomes the highest paid. He is definitely getting top 3 money though. Allen is the only possible extension guy this offseason who is gonna go into that spot. I think the Bills would love to slide Allen right in between Wilson and Watson... somewhere around $37m per year but with a big chunk of signing bonus to be paid immediately to get him to leave some yearly average on the table. Allen's side I imagine starts their negotiation right between Mahomes and Watson at about $42m per year. Of course if we win a Superbowl before he signs it then all bets are off and Allen's side are likely asking to be paid more than Pat. If as has been rumoured the past week the NFL is gonna go for a stagnant cap in 2021 I think the Allen deal will get done this offseason. If the cap comes down however they probably wait. Mahomes deal isn’t what it appears to be. Yes, front loaded and huge signing bonus, but KC can get out of it much earlier than the 10 years with little $$ impact, should they chose to. I expect somewhat close to the same creativity in Josh’s deal -perhaps even with ties to PSE side deals. 7 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: I think the game plan for Sunday night will be a throw back to the last couple of years with designed runs for Josh and a game plan that gives him the green light to tuck the ball and take off if the safeties turn their backs on him. Use pre-snap motion to manipulate the defense and open up lanes for Josh to run. Jet sweep to the right and have Josh sneak out to the left. Run away from the side of the field TJ Watt is lining up on and see if their backup LBs can contain Josh. He doesn't need to run for 20 yards. He can break the Steeler's back with repeated 6-8 yard runs. If they start to spy Josh that's when Daboll should dial up a down the field shot. I expect Josh to rush for 75+ yards Sunday. Josh's legs will be the X-factor this week if the weather is as bad as predicted. Then I think you’re gonna be disappointed. I think/HOPE those days are done. He Can do it and every teams knows it. Just being in their heads about the possibility is an advantage his body doesn’t have to pay the transport fees for going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 13 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Rainy or snowy and windy night. The forecast has gotten better in the past 3 days. 12 hours ago, The Wiz said: Only to the talking heads he does They LOVE when he plays well.......... 7 hours ago, billybob71 said: but also pilot one of the jets in the pre game fly over. What would his callsign be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think Beane and Co will be deciding on Allen's worth by one game If nothing else, Daboll has made it clear that he expects Allen to execute the game plan he's given. If the game plan calls for running 38 times and passing 18 times, that's what Daboll expects. If that results in 11 of 18 for 157 yds and no TDs and we win while the talking heads be all "see last week was a fluke, he's not that good" Daboll and Allen be all "Boo *****in Hoo" Agreed. The Pats win was textbook execution against what they were allowing and win the damn game. As we all know, National media and the League decided many years ago to focus on individuals to market and create controversy (and therefore interest) around, rather than teams hence the hype on QBs. We don't need to buy into it. It's the ultimate team game. So let's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Just win the game. I’m not talking to josh. I’m taking to the TEAM. They must play well in every phase. For 60 minutes. Edited December 12, 2020 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Every week is a good test for Allen. His reputation is on the line nationally more than any other QB seemingly. I'd imagined he learned a lot about playing the Eelers from last year's game. This is all seasoning for a playoff run. My favorite quote from Allen in the Jac Collingsworth interview was when he said he saw the play before it happened. That is next level. This kid is rounding into shape. These tough games will all benefit the Bills in the long run. I like that Miami is dogging them too. Keeps the focus up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 14 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Thats it. Thats the final test. If he can look sharp Sunday night and toy with the Steelers D hes at a superbowl mvp level. It seems every week is a "test" for Josh - it never ends. Last week it was a tough SF D, next week it will be a Fangio D in a high altitude. He has arrived, no more in season tests required. The real test is winning a playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Sweats said: Quick slants and JA getting the ball out in under 2 seconds will be the key in this one.....can the Oline hold up? Stay tuned,folks....were all in for one hell of a ride. Having Hayden and Spillane out is really going to help our wr's get open. The defenses that have been most effective holding Josh to under 20 points have done it by getting home quickly with the pass rush while clogging his escape lanes AND holding tight coverage so there's no one to throw to. Pitt can do that with their pass rush, but can they keep blanket coverage? Josh had been really good against the blitz this year bc most of those teams can't cover effectively when they send it. This is going to be a good test, not stupid fan test of franchisness, but a test of Josh and Daboll's ability to beat elite defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think Beane and Co will be deciding on Allen's worth by one game Well, winning the Super Bowl would not hurt..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 They are also catching the Pitt defense at a good time too. They are losing some big time players. Josh Will be a star nationally with a good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 I really hope they have Allen rolling to his right alot. This seemed to kill the 9ers defense last week and Allen seems to make alot of plays when he does this. Keep the defense guessing, don't just keep Allen in the pocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 28 minutes ago, Steptide said: I really hope they have Allen rolling to his right alot. This seemed to kill the 9ers defense last week and Allen seems to make alot of plays when he does this. Keep the defense guessing, don't just keep Allen in the pocket I imagine the Steelers will be trying hard to force Allen to roll to his L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 17 hours ago, Ramza86 said: Rainy or snowy and windy night. A Steeler D that leads the league in sacks. Gets alot of pressures. Im one to believe this is the type of game that QBs just dont look good in. If Allen can beat the elements, a wet ball and that Steeler pressure and have another "player of the week" performance....then I believe he will be worth top 3 money and we would pay it in an instant. Weather actually doesn't look that bad as of now from what I can see. Just confirmed. Weather has improved. Near freezing but no rain or snow and only 11mph winds. He will be able to do what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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