CincyBillsFan

Yep. A lot of bad NFL teams spend a decade or more sucking yet holding high draft picks year after year and where does it get them? No because if the Bills KNEW ahead of time what Mahomes would be they would have taken him. Then the Chiefs might have gotten Allen and then Reid & company would have gone on to beat the Bills year after year in the playoffs.

Agree. Beyond informing Allen that it was about to happen before they announced it publicly I doubt Allen was in any management loop here. Once McD was fired it made sense to include Allen in the hunt for a new coach. But even here Allen's recent comments make me believe that it was more a learning experience for him rather then he had a major role in picking the next coach.

Disagree. It was a very good throw that most NFL WR's would have caught. It was I believe 3rd & 10 and deep passes like that are routinely overthrown leading to incompletions. I suspect Allen threw the ball the way he did to maximize the chances of catching it and then kicking a walk off FG. Watch Mahomes deep ball shots, they're very similar to that throw.

Of course no one is without criticism. You can nit pick any athletic performance. The question is was Allen's less then perfect play the primary reason the Bills lost the game? If not then beyond mentioning it in the immediate aftermath of the game why are the same group of posters throwing it out almost every time someone posts an article talking about Allen? Allen is 30 years old so get back to me with the statement that he has never made a Super Bowl in 6 or 7 years. Right now it's a meaningless observation especially in light of 2021 where Allen did more in the 13 seconds game to propel the Bills into a SB then any modern QB did to put his team into the Championship. That Allen was denied the fruit of his incredible performance that day because of coaching blunders that would make a high school coach ashamed is not on Allen. Two things can be simultaneously true: 1) Every member of the Bills team is at fault to some extent for their playoff losses the last 3 seasons including Allen 2) Ranking which player was at most fault would see Allen at or near the bottom of the list every time This is how sports work. No player is perfect and every players performance is judged as an amalgam of the good and bad for each game. Yet on so many Allen threads on 2BD the same group of posters go after him tooth and nail while claiming undying love for the man. It gets old after a while.

I will agree with you that Allen has never played a game where EVERY pass he threw was perfect and by that criteria he has contributed to these season ending playoff losses. Generous that you acknowledge Allen does not bear the primary responsibility for these losses. But others don't seem to be so generous at least by my reading of their posts. And I would go one step further and say that when looking at the totality of his play Allen is the least responsible for the losses and that by focusing on his "bad" plays to the extent that some do on 2BD is misplaced. I dispute your assertion that "everyone here loves Josh". By continually bringing Allen's supposed "failures" up in these playoff games and trying to shift the blame from demonstrably poor defensive performances in the playoffs is evidence of a very strange kind of "love". Hey, you guys are free to dissect every Allen throw and point out where the throw was less then perfect and then try to convince us that this was a reason for the loss. Just like I'm free to dispute this take which is contraindicated by my own eyes having watched these games.

Allen threw a pass that almost every starting NFL WR comes down with and then the Bills kick the FG and it's on to the AFC championship game. It hit Cooks in the hands and if it was under thrown it was barely under thrown. BTW, it was 3rd down so if you over throw that pass, which happens a lot in the NFL on deep shots the Bills are punting. The slight under throw was likely intentional as simply catching the ball at the 20 sets the bills up for a walk off win. Again the insane demand that Allen throw perfect passes on ever play. NO QB in the NFL could come close to living up to this absurd expectation.

I suspect that most of us watching that game were shocked when Bishop made that INT. We were expecting the Jags to get into the Red Zone and we would be sweating out their 4 shots to the end zone. By these standards Allen has played better then almost any Super Bowl winning QB of the last 25 years in the playoffs. If anything you have made a list that absolves Allen of the playoff losses.

Clutch play by one guy almost always involves a complimentary play by another guy. * The throw that bounced off Kincaid's hands Allen made facing an all out KC blitz was the very definition of a clutch throw. Oh wait the pass wasn't perfect. * The throw to Cooks that most NFL receivers would have caught cleanly was another definition of a clutch throw that would have won the game. Oh wait Allen slightly under threw Cooks. It seems like you and others define "clutch throws" as having to be perfect throws. But it seems to me that over my decades of watching the NFL a lot of all time clutch throws were far from perfect passes. These reoccurring posts claiming Allen is not "clutch"and bears responsibility for the playoff losses go beyond being critical IMO. And when the criticisms seem to ignore what actually happened in the games then they get tedious - again IMO.

I don't know if you want evidence of some casual play how about twice leaving backup DB's on an island allowing the Bronco's to throw two long TD passes. That was where the Bills lost the game.

You "love" Josh so much you throw him under the bus and blame him for the last 3 playoff losses? Sorry, but this reads as pure nonsense to me. Are you still mad the Bills took the wrong Josh?

But this has the solid ring of truth. Anyone who thinks the strategic direction of the offense for both the season and in individual games wasn't entirely a product of McD is in denial.

And in the end this was the better choice IMO. Over the next decade the Bills would have hosted ONE draft party but significantly degraded the game day atmosphere. Given that there will be about 100 games played at home over that period (preseason, regular season and playoffs) it was a no brainer to keep the stadium where it was.

But the dork from the Athletic is far less likely to be including his love of McD and hatred of Beane in his evaluation of the pick.

TO's are always great but 3 and outs have value to. I felt that over the last couple of seasons we lost the field position battle because our D would give up 40 yards and a couple of first downs allowing the opponent to drive from their own 10 to the Bills 45 then punting us down to the 7.

What's our won/loss record with Bean and Brady again? By your post I figure we're 0 - 5.