Mike Tomlin over or underrated

[thenorthremembers]

Dont care for him as a human being, but have to say he is a fantastic head coach.  Honestly, think there may only be three coaches better than him in the entire NFL.   Belichick, Reid and Payton (and Payton is debatable).  He is 21st all time in wins and is only 48 years old.   He could realistically coach another 15-20 years.  By the law of averages that would put him top 5 all time.  He is also already on the books as the youngest coach to ever win a Super Bowl.

 

Yes, he has had Ben his entire career, and Ben is great but he isnt Brady great where you can make an argument it was all the QB.    I really dont know if there is a sound argument to be made that Tomlin is overrated, he is a fantastic coach who probably ends up in the Hall of Fame.

[Jpsredemption]

Underrated. What he did last year with that quarterback room was incredible. 

[Virgil]

I think he’s appropriately rated.  He’s kept that team as a contender almost his entire tenure with multiple roster changes. 
 

I personally still think his “accidental” trip was cheap and I lost a lot of respect for him.  
 

[chris heff]

I can never get past this, he interfered with Jacoby Jones on that return and then laughed about. He’s a monumental jerk.

 

[BillsFan619]

12 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Has he established himself as one of the best coaches in the league?  Thoughts?  

 

I know from 2013-2018 they underachieved or couldn't get past New England.  And Pittsburgh fans wanted him gone.  Remember the game he tried to trip up a guy on a kick return? 

 

The AB meltdown and Bell drama could have broke a lot of teams, but they were right to cut Bell loose and trade AB.  How many teams overcome that?  You can definitely say it's Ben and I agree he's one of the best ever.  

 

I don't know it's odd.  There are times to me he looks like one of the best then there are weeks he looks like one of the worst.  They now expect to lose to a garbage team at least once a year in Pittsburgh.  

 

Got a kick out of this the other day...

 

 

Based on how Steeler fans view him, he’s underrated.

 

Steeler fans’ expectations are way too high.

Edited December 11, 2020 by BillsFan619

[JOSH HUFF]

Simply one of the best coaches in the game PERIOD!!

[Beerball]

Just about right. I’ve done a 180 on him over the past couple years.

38 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Dont care for him as a human being

Did he kick your dog?  What about him makes you dislike him as a person?

[Rk_Bills86]

Tomlin is Underrated and Under-appreciated. The guy is a Top 5 coach - the only thing that may knock him out of the top 5 for me would be if he'd completely unable to keep Pitt competitive after Ben retires. 

[mabden]

For the who cares (Chuck Knoll was the best ever) debate between Cowher and Tomlin

 

Cowher 1992-2006 15 years

.623 Season % wins

.571 Playoff % wins

10 playoffs (2 one and done)

1 Super Bowl

 

Tomlin 2007-2020 14 years

.657 Season % wins

.553 Playoff % wins

8 Playoffs (4 one and done)

1 Super Bowl

 

https://www.statscrew.com/football/stats/c-cowhebil001

[Buftex]

Underrated.

[Alphadawg7]

Overrated.

 

He is not a bad coach, but also not a great coach.  Id say he’s somewhere between solid and good, closer to good.  But he is too often talked about as a great coach.  He’s actually always been pretty terrible at managing a game clock and made so many head scratching decisions in game for me to ever be in the elite category.  
 

Just my 2 cents

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I'd say properly rated?  He's won 1 super bowl.  But they avoided Peyton and that was the brady injury year.  Also avoided the best giants team of that decade.  Super bowl that they lost?  Avoided Brady and Peyton again, lost to Rodgers.  

[thenorthremembers]

1 hour ago, Beerball said:

Just about right. I’ve done a 180 on him over the past couple years.

Did he kick your dog?  What about him makes you dislike him as a person?

Wasnt a huge fan when he tripped Jacoby Jones in 2013, thought that was cheap.   He has some issues off the field that have come to light in the last few years I am not a fan of either.  However, I have things too so I probably shouldnt have been so crappy there.  

[billsfan89]

He is rated properly. I do think that several years ago he was a bit underrated but the past two seasons in my opinion have him as a properly respected coach. I personally have him as one of the elite coaches in the league and I think most analysts and fans do too.

 

He got the Steelers to 8 wins last year with a third string QB and this year he has gotten them back to 11+ wins despite injuries and offensive talent issues. Tomlin will have the Steelers ready to play and I would be shocked if this game isn't a one posession game late.

[Big Turk]

Probably underrated.  Among coaches with more than 200 games, Tomlin's winning percentage ranks him 6th at .657(Halas, Shula, Belichick, Paul Brown, Dungy and then Tomlin).  He trails only Belichick at .676 for active coaches in winning percentage. This means he is ahead Sean Payton(.641), Andy Reid(.628) and Pete Carroll(.600). Tomlin has never had a losing season as a head coach. His worst record has been 8-8 which has happened 3 times, which is VERY hard to do, no matter how good of a coach you are. He also has won double digit games in a season in 9 of his 14 years coaching(including this one).

 

He has made it to the Super Bowl twice, winning once. 

 

The only knock if there is one, is his playoff record is not great at 8-7. Realistically, the only active coach with a great playoff record is Belichick at 31-12. Everyone else is basically between 1 and 3 games over .500 for the big names at least...Reid, Payton, Carroll, Harbaugh, Gruden, McCarthy, etc...

Edited December 11, 2020 by matter2003

[Rc2catch]

I think he is under rated. Next to BB I think he’s the best coach in the league and that includes Andy Reid. Tomlin might be a top 5 coach of all times. 
I look at it this way, Steelers ALWAYS have guys who are super low draft picks or low level free agents and they constantly grow good solid hard working players in that system. Any coach who can constantly get the most out of his players and elevate their games is a keeper. Steelers hit on wide receivers almost every year, they churn out and get the best out of every linebacker that walks on the field, same can be said for the secondary. On to possibly the most important part is they almost always have a great offensive line every year. Big Ben was a great quarterback so he may mask some of the issues in past years but the results from these lower players has to fall on coaching. To be there that long and have players still believing in the system and philosophy is no easy task. I don’t care for him much but I respect the heck out of the job he’s done there. 

[Bobby Hooks]

I think he’s rated right where he needs to be. 

 

He’s a good coach with a team that’s 11-1.

 

Could be 12-0 if his receivers remembered how to catch the ball. Here’s hoping they remember after this Sunday. 

[dorquemada]

14 hours ago, MJS said:

Seems like they inexplicably hate their team. It's a little strange to me.

 

Spoiled.  Let them wander the football desert for a while

[warrior9]

It's tough to gauge him because of how consistent and good Big Ben is. 

 

Mike McCarthy was one of the worst coaches in the NFL for 13 years and he kept his job because of Aaron Rodgers. They wasted a lot of his time with McCarthy. 

[HOUSE]

Ah, his team is 10-1

 

nuff said

[TUBSTER]

My friend is a huge Steelers fan and he always says these things about Tomlin.  He won the Super Bowl with Cowhers team and was handed a franchise QB.  He plays down to competition a lot of the time.  And how did he not win with all the talent he had in the years with Bell, Brown, Wheaton, Bryant, and Big Ben.  I do hear that Steelers fans like complaining a lot, probably because they haven't really gone through too much hardship when it comes to football.  I think Tomlin is a good coach, but not a great one.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Better winning percentage than Cowher. I dunno.., he gets results.  He handles and contains divas. His defense is always solid. Last year he had a winning record with Duck Hodges in a division with loads of talent. 
 

he’s doing something right and has been for some time. 

[auburnbillsbacker]

He is properly rated.  People think that he is good and he is.  

[John from Riverside]

Mike is def a good coach

 

but

 

As we are seeing with the patriots....it sure doesnt hurt to have a good QB

[QCity]

He's underrated. One of the best team leaders in the game and commands complete respect from his players. Never had a losing season in 14 years. Despite winning a Superbowl, his best coaching effort may have been last year when he somehow went 8-7 with Mason Rudolph and Devlin Hodges under center. If for some crazy reason Pittsburgh ever got rid of him, he would not be unemployed long.

[y2zipper]

1 hour ago, TUBSTER said:

My friend is a huge Steelers fan and he always says these things about Tomlin.  He won the Super Bowl with Cowhers team and was handed a franchise QB.  He plays down to competition a lot of the time.  And how did he not win with all the talent he had in the years with Bell, Brown, Wheaton, Bryant, and Big Ben.  I do hear that Steelers fans like complaining a lot, probably because they haven't really gone through too much hardship when it comes to football.  I think Tomlin is a good coach, but not a great one.

 

The reason Tomlin has only won one Super Bowl is because if you remove the obvious outlier, thet super bowls that people win is either one or zero. Tomlin's tenure isn't any different than Sean Payton's or Andy Reid's, I just think that in general people don't value stability when it comes to the NFL. 

 

Having to deal with brown and bell and still winning is largely the argument for Tomlin. Both of those guys were immature cancers that fell off immediately after leaving tomlin's team and who haven't recovered since. One of the biggest breaks Pittsburgh's probably got in the last few years is that bell decided not to take their money. 

 

 

 

[JohnNord]

17 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Has he established himself as one of the best coaches in the league?  Thoughts?  

 

I know from 2013-2018 they underachieved or couldn't get past New England.  And Pittsburgh fans wanted him gone.  Remember the game he tried to trip up a guy on a kick return? 

 

The AB meltdown and Bell drama could have broke a lot of teams, but they were right to cut Bell loose and trade AB.  How many teams overcome that?  You can definitely say it's Ben and I agree he's one of the best ever.  

 

I don't know it's odd.  There are times to me he looks like one of the best then there are weeks he looks like one of the worst.  They now expect to lose to a garbage team at least once a year in Pittsburgh.  

 

Got a kick out of this the other day...

 

 

Good coach but one who’s been greatly helped by joining a team of with Ben Roetisberger at QB and that has a stellar track record of developing and drafting players

[Orlando Tim]

He appears to be a good coach during the week with game planning and getting guys ready. His in game adjustments seem to be where he has to improve but it is hard to rip him too hard seeing what he did last year, sometimes you just don't have the horses.

[BuffaloBill]

17 hours ago, MJS said:

Seems like they inexplicably hate their team. It's a little strange to me.

 

 

Kinda the opposite of Bills mafia ... Pitt has so many Lombardy trophies that any season without one seems like a disappointment.  Is it possible to be too good for too many years?

[ProcessTruster]

Tomlin is freakin awesome.   Talks like a preacher and has a ton of swag.  Love that guy. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, TUBSTER said:

My friend is a huge Steelers fan and he always says these things about Tomlin.  He won the Super Bowl with Cowhers team and was handed a franchise QB.  He plays down to competition a lot of the time.  And how did he not win with all the talent he had in the years with Bell, Brown, Wheaton, Bryant, and Big Ben.  I do hear that Steelers fans like complaining a lot, probably because they haven't really gone through too much hardship when it comes to football.  I think Tomlin is a good coach, but not a great one.

 

Wheaton and Bryant? Seriously? They sucked.

[QCity]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Kinda the opposite of Bills mafia ... Pitt has so many Lombardy trophies that any season without one seems like a disappointment.  Is it possible to be too good for too many years?

 

It's the same thing with Yankee fans. They demand excellence every single year and have a meltdown at the first sign of trouble, no matter how slight.

 

Our fans are polar opposites, they generally forgive the team regardless of how bad they play (most of the last 2 decades).

[Don Otreply]

Does it really matter? 

 

By Badobills (sp) logic, Tomlin  is plain old fashion lucky, in which he inherited a dominant team, and any praise should go to the previous coaching staff. 
 

Now that’s not my thoughts on the matter, imo Tomlin has been an above average coach, being that his teams have been competitive as long as he has been the HC. 

Edited December 12, 2020 by Don Otreply

[BillsCuse]

He's a great coach and probably a Hall of Famer.  If the Bills weren't in the position we are in now, we would all take him in a second without a thought

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

How many Superbowls does he have ?

 

The answer to that question will give you your answer

[QCity]

12 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

How many Superbowls does he have ?

 

The answer to that question will give you your answer

 

Other than Belichick, there isn't a single head coach in the league that has more than 1 Superbowl win.

 

So, no, that question doesn't really give us anything.

[Victory Formation]

Yeah, he’s brilliant. I think Tomlin and McD are similar coaches.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I think he was a good coach that's been there too long and just isn't that highly effective anymore.  Still good for 10 wins a year and make the playoffs, but not so sure he's going to be able to deliver a Super Bowl victory.

 

He won the SB in his second year essentially with most of Cowler's roster, people have knocked Gruden for doing the same in Tampa, only difference there was prior coach Dungy was fired, here Cowler retired.  Since then lost in one SB and one conference championship.  Other years mostly had early playoff losses.

[Nick the Greek]

I think he's pretty solid. Has a ring, and the Steelers are pretty much competitive every year. 

[purple haze]

Tomlin is Underrated and unappreciated.  If Steelers fans want him gone, cool.   He’ll have another job the next day.  They sound spoiled as hell.  
 

Under Tomlin’s watch they have never had to watch a below .500 team.  They are competitive every season even when there are serious injury issues on the roster.  Even when having to trot out Duck Hodge’s and Mason Rudolph.  No coach is perfect, but Tomlin is a leader and it comes through when Ben is out and AB was sitting out games and Bell was whining.  
 

Imagine having your team at 11-1 and mofo’s are complaining because games are won in a close fashion.  Now winning isn’t good enough?  Many of the Chiefs wins have been close too.  It’s the NFL.  There’s a reason most betting lines are under 7 points.  
 

 

7 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Good coach but one who’s been greatly helped by joining a team of with Ben Roetisberger at QB and that has a stellar track record of developing and drafting players

Please tell us what good coach doesn’t benefit from having a QB and good drafting?  The development is directly related to Tomlin and the staff he employs.