CB Daryl Worley visiting Bills *Signed 11/3 [Mod Edited]

[Johnny Hammersticks]

1 minute ago, Victory Formation said:

Alrighty then! 😆

 

im sure Daryl Worley will have an outstanding career in Buffalo my friend! I say Worley sucks, you don’t. Nothing left to say, other than let’s wait and see..

 

No, there’s more to say actually.  Why does he suck?  You’ve offered nothing substantive to support your opinion.  Let’s hear it.  You’re a big boy official poster now so let’s here your analysis of Worley.  Why does he suck?  What is wrong with his play?  

 

Now write something that doesn’t make you look stupid.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

How can I not be blown away by a corner who got cut by a 2-5 team that boasts of one of the worst defenses in the league? My friend, are you telling me that you are an expert on Worley? I told you why I’m concerned, now you tell me why you think he’s a good player.. Tell me why he’ll be good friend.

 

Worleys poor play could have as much to do with defensive scheme as his ability.

 

I have friends who are cowboys fans and they say Nolans scheme is way too complicated. They are trying to simplify but it may be too late for this year.

 

I see this move as a no lose situation. Bring him in and let him compete.

 

As previous posters have said, if he doesn't work out cut him and move on.

Edited October 31, 2020 by JakeFrommStateFarm

[billieve420]

Hard to pin blame on 1 player in a bad defense. Cowboys are bad all around. No harm is bringing him and seeing if he can help. Not like our secondary has been great themselves this year. If we can find an upgrade over Taron I am all for it.

[Victory Formation]

3 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

No, there’s more to say actually.  Why does he suck?  You’ve offered nothing substantive to support your opinion.  Let’s hear it.  You’re a big boy official poster now so let’s here your analysis of Worley.  Why does he suck?  What is wrong with his play?  

 

Now write something that doesn’t make you look stupid.

You’re drunk.

[HOUSE]

This guy would be top 5 in the CFL

[BarleyNY]

17 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

So you’re saying that Worley won’t be any good then? I tend to keep quiet when I don’t know what I’m talking bout.. I will trust Beane and McD over my opinion any day... but I am growing frustrated with the concept of signing every former ex-Panther to a deal when they hit free agency.. I can understand if that player is truly good but at this point we’re turning into the Carolina Bills.. familiarity is a great thing — but if you limit yourself to only players you’re familiar with then I think you’re limiting yourself in a pretty big way.. especially if the players you’re signing are from cellar dwelling teams.. I too disapprove of the rah rah circle jerks... I would rather that we are honest with our feelings.. Some posters like to talk us up after a win, only to have a meltdown after every loss.. I think those people are my least favorite... I tend to lurk more than I post... 99% of the time I spend here is reading.... YMMV

I haven’t really watched Worley so I don’t know (and please don’t put words in my mouth).  His ratings are awful though so I don’t expect a lot from him if we sign him.  But I am not going to hate on Beane if we sign him to a modest contract.  Nothing wrong with a low risk contract on a young player who has experience in our scheme.  I am fine if we pass on him too.  What I am against is giving him a big, highly guaranteed contract (like we did Star).  That’s because, based on Dallas cutting him and his ratings, he has played very poorly recently.  I mean, the dude just got booted off a bad defense mid-season.  That’s probably not good. 

[NewEra]

18 hours ago, High Football IQ said:

 

What's terrific about them? 2 one and done playoff appearances after 17 years of ineptitude and failure? The 2017 playoff season was pure luck and with a roster built mostly by Whaley and Rex Ryan.

 

Where is all the probowl and elite talent they've drafted? (Milano and White weren't even drafted by Beane)

 

3-15 entering 2020 against teams that made the playoffs once the 16 week schedule was over (including a Titans team without Tannenhill starting last year)

 

0-6 against the Patriots

 

I get that for some younger fans that weren't around or too young to remember the 90's probably think the last 3 years are cloud nine, but compared to most other powerhouse franchises both Beane and McClappy are at the very bottom of the totem pole in their respective roles and at best the equivalent of the Bengals teams under Marvin Lewis that were able to make the playoffs a few years but mostly mired in mediocrity over the totality of that regime.

 

Bigger issue though is ownership and why this team will never probably never go anywhere of note after this regime fizzles completely in the next few years and is a dire salary cap situation again.

 

 

Why even bother rooting for them?  Honestly.  Why not find a different past time.  This obviously makes you miserable.  We have a good team.  
 

they turned around a team that hasn’t made the playoffs for 2 decades and have no made the playoffs 2 of 3 years.  Most likely 3 of 4.  No, they haven’t achieved much more than the playoffs to this point, but they went from a laughing stock to being a good team that the NFL and most fans respect now. 
 

you don’t think they’re good hires.....you and about 200 other miserable fans.  Not many others would agree.  What have the Pegulas done as NFL owners to prompt you to say they’ll probably never be winners and the regime will fizzle?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Bangarang]

Garbage in garbage out

[WMDman]

He’s gotta be better than Taron

[Back2Buff]

2 minutes ago, WMDman said:

He’s gotta be better than Taron

 

He has played outside his whole career, but I do wonder when Norman comes back if he could play inside.  Taron just isn't cutting it.

[Blank Stare]

These guys deserve the benefit of the doubt on DBs. One area I don’t question their decisions. Dislike him all you want, but even Norman came up with a huge FF to seal the Raider game. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Any chance Dane Jackson can kick inside? He looked like a player against the jets. I know nothing about him. Would his skills translate to Nickel? 

[thenorthremembers]

1 minute ago, High Football IQ said:

LOL this team simply can't help themselves in regards to any player associated with the Carolina franchise.

 

 

I've often wondered what the plan will be once they no longer have players to grab from Carolina.   They haven't been there is four years now, and a lot of the players they drafted or signed there are slowly aging or out of the league. 

[McBean]

Can you say SHUTDOWN?

[Malazan]

I see we're still freaking out about practice squad players. Very good. Carry on.

[JGMcD2]

4 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

If you take away the 2015 SB season, Carolina is a very mediorce franchise on par with the Bills quite frankly, if not worse. Which is why I think fans here really overrate Beane/McDermott especially since the were just respective assistants there in the front office/Ron Rivera's staff.

 

It simply makes no sense to keep bringing in their former players and using the 'they fit the scheme, culture, etc' excuse when the results on the field are not there and you would have thought that Beane would have learned this right away his first year here after wasting a 3rd round pick on Kelvin Benjamin.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/3/22/21188079/listing-former-carolina-panthers-brandon-beane-has-brought-to-the-buffalo-bills-star-lotulelei

 

Still really not sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape about this. There have been 20 players in 4 years... most of them depth players that do not stick around particularly long. The majority of the players that have been brought over from Carolina are gone now... Dean Marlowe (left and came back this year) and Star are the only two players from years 1-3 still remaining in the organization. 

 

Folks need to learn how to differentiate a depth signing from an impact signing... it's almost embarrassing at this point. 

[QLBillsFan]

18 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

LOL this team simply can't help themselves in regards to any player associated with the Carolina franchise.

 

 

Wow HIQ Dolphins fan your hate for the Bills is at such a high level. They have familiarity and at times they have gotten end of roster or rotation players to contribute. STAR and Marlowe come to mind. If given player A and B with similar skill sets knowing a player can be the deciding factor. Have they missed absolutely. But it’s what many teams do. Even the division winner to be Dolphins do it. 

[ngbills]

28 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

I see we're still freaking out about practice squad players. Very good. Carry on.

Money this guy is starting in a few weeks. 

[BADOLBILZ]

39 minutes ago, High Football IQ said:

 

If you take away the 2015 SB season, Carolina is a very mediorce franchise on par with the Bills quite frankly, if not worse. Which is why I think fans here really overrate Beane/McDermott especially since the were just respective assistants there in the front office/Ron Rivera's staff.

 

It simply makes no sense to keep bringing in their former players and using the 'they fit the scheme, culture, etc' excuse when the results on the field are not there and you would have thought that Beane would have learned this right away his first year here after wasting a 3rd round pick on Kelvin Benjamin.

 

 

I agree that the Panthers weren't exactly a model franchise.    They were an up and down team in an a division in flux.    They got a league MVP talent and made a couple runs.  Once the New Orleans franchise re-grouped the Panthers were outclassed in terms of coaching and personnel acquisition.   Ron Rivera has had losing records in 7 of 10 seasons as a HC.   I would hope McBeane have higher objectives than being Carolina north but the constant influx of former Panther players makes it seem to fans that they hold their former place of employment  in a bit too high regard.

 

[PauleeeWalnuts]

Our big splash at the trade deadline...def the missing piece lol

[wjag]

Isn't there a reason they are EX-panthers?  just saying.  That well has been a dry hole for a few years now.

[MrEpsYtown]

8 minutes ago, wjag said:

Isn't there a reason they are EX-panthers?  just saying.  That well has been a dry hole for a few years now.

Its hard for guys to come in and learn a defensive system in the middle of a season and make an impact. This guy knows the system and probably the best guy sitting out on the street. 

[BADOLBILZ]

45 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Its hard for guys to come in and learn a defensive system in the middle of a season and make an impact. This guy knows the system and probably the best guy sitting out on the street. 

 

 

Lotulelei,  Addison, Klein, Norman.........all well paid defenders from Carolina who weren't brought in "middle of a season".

 

While I agree in principle with your point it's by no means accurate to downplay their attraction to former Panthers............it's a real thing and its not yielded well at all.

 

It might be time this offseason for McD to broaden his horizons defensively and for Beane to stop tryna' catch every stray Panther.

[Taro Nimbus]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Its hard for guys to come in and learn a defensive system in the middle of a season and make an impact. This guy knows the system and probably the best guy sitting out on the street. 

People always seem to forget that.  😒

[JPP]

LOL.....scraps from the dallas defence...wonderful!

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

I see we're still freaking out about practice squad players. Very good. Carry on.

 

Really a Who cares signing. 

[longtimebillsfan]

On 10/30/2020 at 1:46 PM, BillsMafi$ said:

He was unresponsive in his car back in 2018 and tased and arrested. 

So a high quality system guy.  Sign me up!!!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Lotulelei,  Addison, Klein, Norman.........all well paid defenders from Carolina who weren't brought in "middle of a season".

While I agree in principle with your point it's by no means accurate to downplay their attraction to former Panthers............it's a real thing and its not yielded well at all.

It might be time this offseason for McD to broaden his horizons defensively and for Beane to stop tryna' catch every stray Panther.

 

On the one hand, I Hear You, and part of me agrees.

 

On the other hand, it is worth noting that Beane and McDermott have faced a conundrum: because the Bills were a national Joke for a long time, free agents look at us like so much moldy kim-chee and go elsewhere in droves.  They want to play for a contender (or failing that, warm weather).  Which makes it harder to build a contender.

 

Realistically, their choices are constrained at times by whether or not the FA are willing to sign here, and familiarity with the coach and his system may tip the scales.

[BADOLBILZ]

57 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

On the one hand, I Hear You, and part of me agrees.

 

On the other hand, it is worth noting that Beane and McDermott have faced a conundrum: because the Bills were a national Joke for a long time, free agents look at us like so much moldy kim-chee and go elsewhere in droves.  They want to play for a contender (or failing that, warm weather).  Which makes it harder to build a contender.

 

Realistically, their choices are constrained at times by whether or not the FA are willing to sign here, and familiarity with the coach and his system may tip the scales.

 

 

I agree,  it's not an attractive destination for free agents.

 

But it's complicated..........because they chose to tear down a roster that really should have made the playoffs the prior 2 seasons.

 

Then they have been very pedestrian at drafting and developing their own talent.

 

So they have been forced to do a lot more shopping than they would have if they had adapted systems to personnel and weren't drafting to fill needs created by their own roster turnover.

 

Ultimately........with so much cap money now gone and ear marked to home grown talent...........turning around the tide with free agents will be about Josh Allen looking like a great QB to hitch their wagon to.   

 

Yet another reason why I have been so much more about bolstering the offensive personnel than tryna' patch up the defense.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

On the one hand, I Hear You, and part of me agrees.

 

On the other hand, it is worth noting that Beane and McDermott have faced a conundrum: because the Bills were a national Joke for a long time, free agents look at us like so much moldy kim-chee and go elsewhere in droves.  They want to play for a contender (or failing that, warm weather).  Which makes it harder to build a contender.

 

Realistically, their choices are constrained at times by whether or not the FA are willing to sign here, and familiarity with the coach and his system may tip the scales.

With respect I think that’s a cop out.  The real problem, I suspect, is that Beane does not trust his own ability to scout (and/or to analyze the evaluations his scouts give him).  And based on the results, he shouldn’t.  I think he falls back on the Panthers’ pro personnel evaluations because they were done with McDermott/Rivera’s defense in mind and he doesn’t think he has to worry as much about fit that way.  But the players in question have aged 2-5 years and the defense itself has gotten a bit stale.

 

What this team needs is a fresh approach to college and pro scouting and a lot more self-scouting to understand why it’s defensive strategy has been figured out by offensive coordinators.

[Starr Almighty]

On 10/30/2020 at 5:05 PM, Process said:

Another crappy ex panther. Awesome. 

 

When does it end?

Once we sign every player that was on the Panthers when Mcd and beans were there it'll end. Plus most of the guys are getting older so we are almost there. Still gotta sign cam next year tho as a backup cause Panthers 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Punching Bag]

21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

That is the Pitts for Lafayette.

20 hours ago, QLBillsFan said:

Wow HIQ Dolphins fan your hate for the Bills is at such a high level. They have familiarity and at times they have gotten end of roster or rotation players to contribute. STAR and Marlowe come to mind. If given player A and B with similar skill sets knowing a player can be the deciding factor. Have they missed absolutely. But it’s what many teams do. Even the division winner to be Dolphins do it. 

 

You think he actually watches football?

42 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Once we sign every player that was on the Panthers when Mcd and beans were there it'll end. Plus most of the guys are getting older so we are almost there. Still gotta sign cam next year tho as a backup cause Panthers 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Bills skipped Cam when they could have signed him to keep from P*ts.

[JM57]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

That is the Pitts for Lafayette.

 

You think he actually watches football?

 

Bills skipped Cam when they could have signed him to keep from P*ts.

 

That's because Cam's the 2021 backup! Barkley and Fromm are the physical opposite of Allen. Cam isn't playing poorly enough to wash out of the league entirely, but not well enough anyone will want him to start either. 

 

Removing the Panthers connection entirely, it makes sense. Play style wise there's not going to be anyone available any more similar to Allen than Cam, and it makes it so you don't have to completely change the offense to bring in one of the noodle arm mayo sandwiches they have backing Allen up now.

[somnus00]

15 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

With respect I think that’s a cop out.  The real problem, I suspect, is that Beane does not trust his own ability to scout (and/or to analyze the evaluations his scouts give him).  And based on the results, he shouldn’t.  I think he falls back on the Panthers’ pro personnel evaluations because they were done with McDermott/Rivera’s defense in mind and he doesn’t think he has to worry as much about fit that way.  But the players in question have aged 2-5 years and the defense itself has gotten a bit stale.

 

What this team needs is a fresh approach to college and pro scouting and a lot more self-scouting to understand why it’s defensive strategy has been figured out by offensive coordinators.

 

I was going to write something similar to this. I've been wondering if Beane doesn't trust his pro-scouting department. There are 30 other teams out there (besides Bills and Panthers). Why keep going back to the Carolina pipeline?

 

I haven't been critical of the Panther tendency in the past. But enough staying in your comfort zone. This defense needs a jolt. Staying in your safe-space won't provide this and neither will Worley (in all likelihood). If we're going to sign a low level CB, then fine. I agree that this is a big need. I find it hard to believe; however, that one of those other 30 teams doesn't have a practice squad player with more potential than Worley.

[BillnutinHouston]

On 10/30/2020 at 8:36 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

When you sign that many Panthers players it makes you look like you cannot evaluate talent outside of guys who have played for you. 

 

Really?  It looks to me like 6-2.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

26 minutes ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

Really?  It looks to me like 6-2.

Which 6 Panthers players have been good and which 2 have been bad?

[BillnutinHouston]

21 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Which 6 Panthers players have been good and which 2 have been bad?

 

Obviously I was referring to their overall record which is indicative of a regime that kind of knows what they are doing, contrary to the implication you made.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

 

Ted Ginn just got released by the Bears........another former SB heyday Panther on the wire.🤔

[Orlando Tim]

On 11/3/2020 at 3:45 PM, jeremy2020 said:

I see we're still freaking out about practice squad players. Very good. Carry on.

This is what I don't understand- PS is for guys you either want to groom or guys that might step in quickly. Familiarity is a good thing for a guy there. If he sucks no damage.