Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 When you sign that many Panthers players it makes you look like you cannot evaluate talent outside of guys who have played for you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: When you sign that many Panthers players it makes you look like you cannot evaluate talent outside of guys who have played for you. Or they’re players you had a hand in evaluating that fit what you want on defense? Edited October 31, 2020 by streetkings01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsRdue said: That list hurt my eyes. Eh. He missed a bunch, both for good and for bad. But it's just a list. You have to divide it up to really assess how Beane is doing (you also have to consider the players he's brought in who had no Carolina connection, and that is a substantial list) There are a bunch of players on there who were JAGs, and brought in as JAGs - off season and camp bodies with a hope they might show a step and make the roster. When you're bringing in guys on the cheap while trying to re-work the culture, it's not a bad strategy to lean on players whose "juice" and work habits you know. Then there are players for whom we gave up something of real value - either a significant contract, a draft pick, or both. Players like AJ Klein, Josh Norman, Vernon Butler, Mario Addison, Star Lotulelei, and Kelvin Benjamin signed significant contracts and/or cost draft resources. Whiffing on them is a problem, especially if we could have re-signed guys who were working for us, like Shaq Lawson or Jordan Phillips, or gone after a better guy at CB or LB. Most of the other guys on that list are JAGs who weren't around long enough matter. Derek Anderson was the best bandaid Vet Beane could find mid-season to a total whiff on the QB situation and he was probably brought in more because he'd worked with Daboll in Cleveland than because of the Carolina connection. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 53 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: When you sign that many Panthers players it makes you look like you cannot evaluate talent outside of guys who have played for you. It's more than likely a culture thing. McDermott knows how the players personalities will fit in with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 5 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: He was unresponsive in his car back in 2018 and tased and arrested. My ultimate goal going into every weekend is to avoid such an event. So far I’m doing mostly OK. I mean, who’s perfect? 🤷♂️ But 2020 is putting me to the test! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 5 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Ex Panther drafted when mcd was there Since Singletary already wears 26, what jersey Number do you think he’ll be wearing next week? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 5 hours ago, CSBill said: A bad corner on a bad defense. No thanks May be in a bad system ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, ganesh said: May be in a bad system ? That’s such a cop out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 For what it's worth, his overall Madden rating is 75 which is much better than Siran Neal (overall 66). To interpret for you -- It means he has a pulse. Sometimes Madden ratings are spot on and sometimes they are way off, but usually they're about right unless a player's performance level is rapidly improving or declining. They haven't even added Dane Jackson to our roster yet, so I don't know what his is. Norman is a 76. White is a 91. 2 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: When you sign that many Panthers players it makes you look like you cannot evaluate talent outside of guys who have played for you. Unless you're talking about K Benjamin or Star Lotulelei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 He's big for a corner, and (not surprisingly) slow. Probably won't work out in man coverage, but supposedly he's smart and has some position flexibility between outside corner, slot corner, big nickel and safety. Mostly gonna be a depth guy. If you've got to start him for any length of time, you have a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weatherman Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 1 hour ago, ganesh said: May be in a bad system ? That’s what they said about another CB that is on our roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 8 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: He was unresponsive in his car back in 2018 and tased and arrested. He was also found unresponse on the football field for the cowboys in 2020 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Weatherman said: That’s what they said about another CB that is on our roster. He's injured and older, 33 soon. Scheme does matter a lot when it comes to CBs. Edited October 31, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: It's about competition and who the Bills have left walking. I think he can give Lafayette Pitts a run for his money. Yes, and it's also about the fact that some guys who look bad in some systems can look good in others. Dunno about Worley but he might be worth a shot. Edited October 31, 2020 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Did ever occur to the "Why do we keep bringing in Ex-Panthers?" crowd that this is a COVID year, and logic would tend to indicate that it might actually be slightly more difficult to get to know potential signees. In past years, I, too, have laughed at the Carolina Express. In this oddball year, with all the restrictions on bringing players in, it actually kind of makes sense to bring in people you have worked with in the past. Just a shred of logic to chew on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: Did ever occur to the "Why do we keep bringing in Ex-Panthers?" crowd that this is a COVID year, and logic would tend to indicate that it might actually be slightly more difficult to get to know potential signees. In past years, I, too, have laughed at the Carolina Express. In this oddball year, with all the restrictions on bringing players in, it actually kind of makes sense to bring in people you have worked with in the past. Just a shred of logic to chew on. Go with what you know. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 17 hours ago, Process said: Another crappy ex panther. Awesome. When does it end? It ends with a championship... Go Bills!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 18 hours ago, TonyBeets said: I'm not saying Worley is going to Revis Island or anything, but I'll trust the judgement of McD and Beane over some random and often clueless message boarders. If they think he helps the team, then sign him! I truly despise this mentality. If you’re solely interested in blind loyalty, then message boards like this probably aren’t for you. NFL GMs and HCs aren’t infallible and we’re all allowed to have our own opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, High Football IQ said: Another former Panther from a horrendous team that is allowing 35+ points a game, and if he the Bills end up signing him at what point does the media call this regime out for the inability to look at 30 other NFL teams for talent? Outside of the 2015 SB season in Carolina, this is not a franchise that was churning out probowl players and division titles/playoff wins year after year like the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, etc which also makes the Beane and McClap hires look less than stellar in hindsight. Not a lot of pro bowl players cut or on the waiver wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I truly despise this mentality. If you’re solely interested in blind loyalty, then message boards like this probably aren’t for you. NFL GMs and HCs aren’t infallible and we’re all allowed to have our own opinions. This is a terrible take. You’re literally telling this guy that he shouldn’t be on this board because he trusts his GM to do the right thing. Why can’t a bills fan enjoy the forums AND trust his GM to do his thing without ripping him apart? His post has 8 likes. Let’s see how many yours gets. There are several members of TBD that trust what their Gm is doing. There are several that don’t trust anything the Gm does. There are several that are a bit of both. And that’s ok. That’s why this place is so enjoyable. Lots of different opinions and ways of thinking. I respect you as a poster. You have some great takes. This isn’t one of them. Who are you to tell someone that this message board isn’t for them because they trust what the Gm is doing? Not every bills fan studies and knows everything about every player like some do. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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