Would you take Sammy Watkins if he's available next year?

[Dopey]

Considering what we gave up for him, as far as wide receivers, he is probably a worse draft pick than Zay Jones or James Hardy.

Edited December 3, 2019 by Dopey

[Yav]

Why? Do the Bills have a need for glass joe? I guess they have a spot available in the IR so why not fill it with him. 

[MJS]

The decoy himself!?

[Uncle Joe]

Let me check with the little people and I'll get back to you.

[Kirby Jackson]

At the right price, absolutely!! Now does it look like he can remain healthy, nope. I’d love him on a 1 year incentive-laden deal tied to snap counts and active games. 

[mushypeaches]

I want guys on the way up

 

And if they're on the way down, they'd better bring character and leadership

 

Watkins fits none of these criteria

 

[Utah John]

As I recall the reason Watkins was traded was that he was going to become a UFA and the Bills weren't interested in a bidding war for him.  So they traded him for whatever they could get before he left.

 

When Watkins is healthy he can be a dominant force.  It was only last year, when he was lighting it up, that I heard one commentator say he was the best WR in the NFL.  I think that was an overstatement but there's still no doubt he can be a contributor.  Now that Allen has it figured out (we hope), Watkins might be willing to come if for a reasonable one-year prove-it contract.  There's no way he will need to go anywhere for the veteran minimum.  He'll get at least $3M and probably more wherever he goes.

[Doc Brown]

Him being cut signaled there's a new regime in town.  He's pry a better option than Foster/McKenzie/Roberts on the outside across Brown but that ship has sailed.

Edited December 3, 2019 by Doc Brown

[bills11]

No because reliability is crucial ...why pay him the money he will command when we've gotten more production outta smoke who's available..Watkins has all the talent in the world but can't stay on the field and continues to be inconsistent the guy has 150 yard two td monster potential as we saw here but he also has 2 catch 30 yard potential 

[Utah John]

He wasn't cut, he was traded.  If they wanted to cut him they could have kept him the last year, and then just let him walk.  Instead they got something for him.

[BuffaloBills1998]

No I don’t want him back, that ship has sailed and is never coming back. He was and still is a ME player and he was NEVER reliable when he was here

[Magox]

29 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

LOL @ KC paying this guy $16m a year.   You really can fool some of the people all of the time.

 

 

But I was told that since McVay decided to pony up the draft pick and spend the big money contract on him that he surely was a good bet.   Nevermind that they decided to not pursue him more aggressively than they did and lose that draft pick and decide to spend that money on Cooks.

 

But it wasn't Sammy's fault, because y'know Goff just couldn't hit him with the deep pass.  

 

Then we were told well......Since Andy Reid decided to pay the big bucks, that SURELY he was worth the money.    Then year 1 passes by and he doesn't live up to expectations.  His undying defenders said it was because there were too many weapons on the team so he couldn't get his share of opportunities.

 

Then year two comes about and he gets the opportunity to BE THE MAN because of Tyreek's issues and lingering injuries, and despite all that.  Sammy doesn't produce and is yet again often injured.

 

He has 42 receptions with 71 targets.  That's not that great!

 

Yeah, I'd say that for the few of us - me being one of them, I said it over and over and over.   Even though Sammy has the potential to be a top tiered WR in this league from a physical standpoint, mentally he doesn't have it.  He's  not a team first kind of guy, he's often injured and he's inconsistent.  That's what I said years ago.  And that is EXACTLY what he has proven to be.

 

Lots of people on this board were wrong and to this day they will never admit it. 

[Seoulofstone]

25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

At the right price, absolutely!! Now does it look like he can remain healthy, nope. I’d love him on a 1 year incentive-laden deal tied to snap counts and active games. 

 

  He's not a terrible player, but he's clearly had injury problems. I agree with you because the Bills regime has shown the ability to improve players and help them play above an expected level. Shaq Lawson, Jordan Phillips are good examples. It shouldn't be an emotional decision based on his letting the Bills down with previous effort. He wouldn't be back as a leader but in much more of a reduced capacity. If he doesn't work cut him. If he's cheap and they get him short term, can keep him healthy then flip him for a comp pick that's good business. 

 

  It's a lot of ifs but if they could get him cheap, they could do it alongside a draft pick at WR. That's a low risk move.

[billsfan89]

No, if he had no prior history with McD and he could be had on a 1 year modest guarantee 4-6 million dollar a year deal I wouldn't be opposed to brining him in to add some speed (I would still draft a WR in round 1 but having a speedy vet like Sammy takes some pressure off of a rookie.) BUT in 2017 his departure was bad and he has shown to not be a model citizen while here. I don't think he would want to come back nor do I think the Bills would want him back. I think he likely restructures his deal with KC to give them some cap space and hit the market in 2021 for one last big payday. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I would pay him 3 years/$30 million in invisible decoy dollars. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

If he’s a decoy, shouldn’t the duck caller in Pittsburgh be the obvious QB for Watkins?

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said:

No. He's just not a cultural fit.

It's called a Programmatic Non-Fit (You got Mossed) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbucaWZXjcw

Edited December 3, 2019 by Albany,n.y.

[Scott7975]

12 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

But I was told that since McVay decided to pony up the draft pick and spend the big money contract on him that he surely was a good bet.   Nevermind that they decided to not pursue him more aggressively than they did and lose that draft pick and decide to spend that money on Cooks.

 

But it wasn't Sammy's fault, because y'know Goff just couldn't hit him with the deep pass.  

 

Then we were told well......Since Andy Reid decided to pay the big bucks, that SURELY he was worth the money.    Then year 1 passes by and he doesn't live up to expectations.  His undying defenders said it was because there were too many weapons on the team so he couldn't get his share of opportunities.

 

Then year two comes about and he gets the opportunity to BE THE MAN because of Tyreek's issues and lingering injuries, and despite all that.  Sammy doesn't produce and is yet again often injured.

 

He has 42 receptions with 71 targets.  That's not that great!

 

Yeah, I'd say that for the few of us - me being one of them, I said it over and over and over.   Even though Sammy has the potential to be a top tiered WR in this league from a physical standpoint, mentally he doesn't have it.  He's  not a team first kind of guy, he's often injured and he's inconsistent.  That's what I said years ago.  And that is EXACTLY what he has proven to be.

 

Lots of people on this board were wrong and to this day they will never admit it. 

 

Ditto... I got so sick of the arguments that he was doing his job as a decoy or they just have soooo many weapons.  If he was a #1 receiver he would get his targets and yards.  Most of the other weapons were all producing more than him.  The guy has a good couple games a year and disappears for the other 14 of them.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Sammy reads this thread and he won’t even consider coming back to Buffalo.

[PromoTheRobot]

I'd take him back on a reasonable deal with an out in case he gets injured again. He's a playmaker when healthy. He'd be awesome with Josh.

[DCOrange]

If the front office thought he'd be fine in the locker room/has been humbled a bit, then yeah, I'd pretty gladly take him.

[Teddy KGB]

Definitely 

[freddyjj]

I hurt MY foot thinking about Sammy!  Pass

[colin]

i'd take him.  he has a lot of skill, he just hasn't lived up to his potential.

 

[SoCal Deek]

Sammy? Again? No thanks. He’s had plenty of opportunity now to prove himself outside of Buffalo and has never done much of anything. It’s a shame but it’s true.

[Socal-805]

 

 

No.. And ,  NO.  

 

o  Injured all the time it seems.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

39 minutes ago, Magox said:

 

 

But I was told that since McVay decided to pony up the draft pick and spend the big money contract on him that he surely was a good bet.   Nevermind that they decided to not pursue him more aggressively than they did and lose that draft pick and decide to spend that money on Cooks.

 

But it wasn't Sammy's fault, because y'know Goff just couldn't hit him with the deep pass.  

 

Then we were told well......Since Andy Reid decided to pay the big bucks, that SURELY he was worth the money.    Then year 1 passes by and he doesn't live up to expectations.  His undying defenders said it was because there were too many weapons on the team so he couldn't get his share of opportunities.

 

Then year two comes about and he gets the opportunity to BE THE MAN because of Tyreek's issues and lingering injuries, and despite all that.  Sammy doesn't produce and is yet again often injured.

 

He has 42 receptions with 71 targets.  That's not that great!

 

Yeah, I'd say that for the few of us - me being one of them, I said it over and over and over.   Even though Sammy has the potential to be a top tiered WR in this league from a physical standpoint, mentally he doesn't have it.  He's  not a team first kind of guy, he's often injured and he's inconsistent.  That's what I said years ago.  And that is EXACTLY what he has proven to be.

 

Lots of people on this board were wrong and to this day they will never admit it. 

 

Who am I???

 

[dave mcbride]

He is being phased out of the KC offense, it seems - only six targets in the last couple of weeks.  As someone who argued that he was always on the cusp of greatness, I have to confess that he's a massive disappointment. That said, he is still young, isn't as banged up as people think (it's always hamstrings now with him; not much else), and has a lot of talent. Someone will take him, and he might do reasonably well. It certainly won't be the Bills, though.

[Estro]

No.

 

Hurt far too often.

 

Production is not good.

 

Does not fit into the selfless, football first, culture the Bills look for.

[Stanley Lombardi]

No.

[Don Otreply]

Even with all his talent, he has proven to be unreliable, so no. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[st pete gogolak]

Can someone who knows how to do it post Mike Evans' career numbers vs. Watkins' career stats?  We move up to take a WR and take the wrong one.  Can you imagine how great Evans would fit into this offense right now?  Or Kahlil Mack coming off the edge?  Oh well, water under the bridge. 

[billsfan714]

No....he's the most overrated WR in football since he came into the league..   He's nowhere near a no. 1 WR and never will be.   He can flash a couple of games but cant do it week in and week out.    The money this guy has made is obscene when compared to his production.  

[DRA3196]

Sammy had an opportunity in Buffalo and he failed miserably. As long as Beane and McDermott are running the show at OBD, Sammy will only ever y be allowed in the visitors locker room. Typically a player drafted as high as Watkins doesn't get traded  while still on a rookie deal.

 

He Isn't a "process" guy, only plays for himself, isn't reliable, doesn't want to evolve his talent. Doesn't want to work, isn't a good fit for the team or the community.

 

No thanks. I believe we should pass.

[blacklabel]

Take him where? I'm low on gas and he needs a jacket.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Only if we could then immediately  trade him for Bob Woods 

[tcampbell104]

if some how we could not some how get a receiver in the draft, and he was willing to come cheap i would be okay with it

[Phil The Thrill]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

His career with KC has been a disappointment.  He's making good money, they just extended Hill and will have other big contracts coming up.  They also need to put some money towards the defense.  They are projected to be 25th in salary cap room next year.  

 

Watkins looks like he may not make it to 2020 with the Chiefs and will be a FA.

 

Here's an interesting sub topic conversation in this thread....is Sammy Watkins a bust?  Since he left Buffalo, his numbers have declined.  In the last 3 years, he's averaging about 40 catches a year, 550 yards receiving and 5 TD catches.  He was the #4 overall pick, played in the two most high powered passing offenses....

 

https://kckingdom.com/2019/10/23/kc-chiefs-salary-cap-crunch-lead-tough-decisions-offseason/

The most obvious opportunity to create cap space is the oft injured receiver Sammy Watkins. His contract calls for him to have a $21 million cap number with $7 million guaranteed, so a release will generate for the Chiefs $14 million in cap space.

Considering the number of games Watkins has missed since he arrived in Kansas City for the 2018 season, it’s hard to imagine, under any circumstance him returning after the 2019 season concludes.

 

 

I’m on the fence about taking him back.  He has some explosive potential but he rarely was able to stay healthy.  Also on the field there were just too many times when he disappeared.  
 

In terms of him being a busy, I would have to say a resounding YES.  He never lived up to the “generational player” hype or draft status. He also wasn’t a tire fire but injuries completely derailed his career.

[blacklabel]

30 minutes ago, DRA3196 said:

Sammy had an opportunity in Buffalo and he failed miserably. As long as Beane and McDermott are running the show at OBD, Sammy will only ever y be allowed in the visitors locker room. Typically a player drafted as high as Watkins doesn't get traded  while still on a rookie deal.

 

He Isn't a "process" guy, only plays for himself, isn't reliable, doesn't want to evolve his talent. Doesn't want to work, isn't a good fit for the team or the community.

 

No thanks. I believe we should pass.

 

Alright, I'm not necessarily a huge Watkins fan but the part I highlighted is untrue. The dude does put in the work. When he was in Buffalo he was always part of the group of receivers that'd fly out to meet Tyrod and run routes in their off-time, he's done that in KC as well. He's also had zero issues with any community in the cities he's played. Obviously, he didn't pan out here and that's a bummer but it's not like it's entirely 100% on him, injuries added up over his first few seasons and beyond that I don't think his abilities were maximized while he was here. The injuries, getting traded, being on three different teams within one calendar year, having OC's struggle to find what his best role would be, etc. are all things that have surely steered his career in a direction he probably didn't expect. The decent thing is, is he's still young enough to rebound and turn into the receiver people saw at Clemson. 

 

As for him returning to Buffalo, that's about as likely as me suiting up in place of Allen this Sunday. Chances are slim and none and slim just left town.

[Reed83HOF]