Buffalo Junction Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Just now, MAJBobby said: screen game gets hurt because of Josh Allen. Running QBs will hurt the screen game because of the Spy. Always... Unless they can put enough pressure on the secondary to make a spy a liability. Not many QBs reach that point (Rodgers, Wilson, and Mahomes?) Having motion as a threat can counteract some of the spy’s effectiveness though. Nothing is completely reliable, but teams have been utilizing the jet sweep to open up screens on the opposite side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Always... Unless they can put enough pressure on the secondary to make a spy a liability. Not many QBs reach that point (Rodgers, Wilson, and Mahomes?) Having motion as a threat can counteract some of the spy’s effectiveness though. Nothing is completely reliable, but teams have been utilizing the jet sweep to open up screens on the opposite side. makes sense. Just wanted to point out the way defenses defend Allen with the Spy and the controlled rush do make it harder for Teams with those Mobile QB to execute Screens. but Screens and Quick Hitters our to WRs are very underutilized in this Offense. with Joshs Arm he can throw that Pop Pass like right now. And the Amount of Cushion Brown gets that is an easy 5 yard completion with Potential to turn Huge. Edited November 14, 2019 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: McKenzie belongs- just in the same roll he is in now. Other than that your right. I've been waiting for this 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, JESSEFEFFER said: He was so under utilized at Ole Miss that there is no way he could be even close to a finished ball catcher as a rookie. He has done well so far, imo, and will do more. If the offense makes a late season surge, he'll be part of the reason. He showed well against the Browns. Two balls he did not come up with were part on Josh and part on his not having his big body in quite the right position. He is learning fast and will be a tough matchup going forward. Plus one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 DiMarco should be inactive and they should move towards using Knox in an H Back role when they feel the need for a FB. Not convert him to H back, just move him there when needed. Imagine those FB wheel routes going to Knox instead of DiMarco. I mean if they are willing to run a jet sweep with Knox, I don't see this as being too big of a stretch. Daboll needs to scheme for his best players rather than trying to fit players into his best scheme. McKenzie is also a victim of this. You see small, fast guys like Sproles for instance, get built into an offense all the time. But there has to be a very specific instance where McKenzie sees the field currently. The constant rotation of personnel has probably created quite a few tendencies that make this offense very predictable to defend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I sure as hell would rather see Knox split out wide then either Gore or DeMarco! Knox is interesting in that right now he is a below average TE in the passing game and is probably doing more harm then good. Yet, he has shown enough to indicate that over the medium term he's going to be an absolute stud catching the ball down the field. As others have noted his experience in the passing game is almost nonexistent. And this I'm sure has contributed to some of his drops but I suspect the bigger concern for Bills coaches is that Knox was not an experienced route runner even at the college level. He doesn't seem to get sitting down in a zone and he routinely brings his cover guy(s) into an area where Allen is throwing the ball to someone else. At the same time Knox has made some nice catches and his YAC can be impressive if he gets up a head of steam. At this point I think we should turn him lose and have him on the field on almost every passing play. He is at least capable of creating a big play. And IMO next year the conversation around Knox is going to be completely different as the guy catches 50 passes and 10 TD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 With as bad as this regime is at scouting offensive talent, when they drafted a TE with zero tds, it seemed like another terrible move. But Knox looks like a keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: He only gets 36.8% of the offensive snaps. I DO say he SHOULD be the 3rd WR coming into the Game. One thing is for sure they should NEVER us Andre Roberts at WR https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/andre-roberts/ I disagree ... 1. Brown 2. Beasley 3. Duke - At least this guy can catch the ball 4. Knox - The kid is looking good 5. McKittrick - When he gets the ball it's usually a good thing 6. Roberts 7. Poyer, Hyde, White, Milano 8. Kroft - Meh, but better than the rest 9. Sweeney 10. Foster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I didn't have time to sort through all of the comments but it's clear that he needs to work on his hands and he uses his body way too much to catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 He has potential to be a really good tight end but too bad he can’t catch the ball. Probably will be his downfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 hours ago, frostbitmic said: I'd put him 4th on the team after Brown, Beasley and Duke. Why they're giving Foster active duty over Duke is weird to me. Because even when they dont throw Foster’s way the D is still very aware of him because of his speed. They slide a S over to his side most of the time thereby clearing out room underneath for another WR. Foster’s presence on the field helps the rest of the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 When he stops dropping passes. He has his moments but worries me with these drops he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 IMO Knox will break out big time. It prolly won't happen next week but it'll happen before the end of next year. Knox and Singletary encourage me to think that Beane and his boys can identify talent on offence. If so that's great because it's now job 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 He’s certainly had some bad drops. I also like what I see in general. He blocks pretty well, he’s got some fire in his belly and he makes plays. I hope he learns to focus on the catch and keep growing into a special TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 There's a lot of hating on Foster here, but the guy hasn't really had a chance to catch any long balls. Allen hasn't been accurate enough for Foster to be of use, that's not on Foster. I know he had issues tracking the ball last year in preseason, but he had a good year last year and he showed he can be a good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 That's a scary thought if he is!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 6 hours ago, MAJBobby said: with Joshs Arm he can throw that Pop Pass like right now. And the Amount of Cushion Brown gets that is an easy 5 yard completion with Potential to turn Huge. You know.... I’m not sure if they’ve run any “slant & go” routes. With his arm strength that could be extremely effective just like it was with Favre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Sadly maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 13 hours ago, Motorin' said: Definitely need to add another option at least of Brown's quality. I’d like to see them go after Geronimo Allison (6-3 205, 25 years old) in the off-season..... I’m not saying he’s star quality but would be a good fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I would say yes but he has had some bad drops, McKenzie might be third due to overall effectiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 14 hours ago, frostbitmic said: I'd put him 4th on the team after Brown, Beasley and Duke. Why they're giving Foster active duty over Duke is weird to me. The Browns were shifting their safety to help the corner every time Foster ran a go route. It helped open up the field giving Brown, Beasley, and Knox more opportunities. They obviously respected his speed. Duke Williams doesn't provide that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The Browns were shifting their safety to help the corner every time Foster ran a go route. It helped open up the field giving Brown, Beasley, and Knox more opportunities. They obviously respected his speed. Duke Williams doesn't provide that. They would need to respect John Brown's speed running the same go route, and Brown can actually track and catch the ball. Duke is a great guy to use in the red zone, The TD that he caught seemed like he had plenty of separation. Duke seems like the guy that is open even when he's not open, I think we need that on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 20 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: This list shows why Foster should be inactive every week and Williams and McKenzie should be active...just a bit more value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Id say McKenzie is our 3rd best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I hope so, being forced to start him in Fantasy this week and hoping for a good showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 9:40 AM, Motorin' said: I noticed Rambo split out wide on several occasion against the Browns. His stats show he has the 3rd most receiving production after Brown and Beasley, with Singletary next behind him. Should the Bills be utilizing Knox as the #3 or #4 wr on clear passing downs? YES.-Because he is a tough guy/tough runner after the catch. But when you start talking about who the 'best' receivers are--remember that they are dealing with a QB who cant hit the broadside of a barn from more than 25 yards away. Not really fair to the receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 12:47 PM, PaattMaann said: also has more targets than anyone else other than Brown and Beasley....also has a terrible catch % How many are actual drops vs un-catchable? Brown isn't a whole lot better, so to say he has a terrible % considering he's a 3rd round draft pick when compared against Brown, doesn't really look all that bad. But overall a meaningless stat without knowing how many were catchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 The Bills offensive weapons don't scare anyone. Two decent but undersized wrs, an underutilized rookie rb paired with a 40 yr old and little else. The fact that a rookie te with problems catching the ball is their 3rd best receiver says it all. Not surrounding their young QB with weapons but asking him to throw 40 times a game is not a good plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Stone hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Turk71 said: The Bills offensive weapons don't scare anyone. Two decent but undersized wrs, an underutilized rookie rb paired with a 40 yr old and little else. The fact that a rookie te with problems catching the ball is their 3rd best receiver says it all. Not surrounding their young QB with weapons but asking him to throw 40 times a game is not a good plan. Yeah well the guy throwing the rock plays a role in all this too, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 1. Bench Gore. Yeldon and Singletary are a better duo at this point 2. Knox has the physical tools to be great. 3. Brown, Beasley, and Knox should get at least 7 targets per game 4. Duke should get 4 targets 5. Bench McKenzie 6. Foster should get 3 targets 7. The rest of the targets go to the backs and Kroft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 Yes, he is. Matter of fact I could see him rising up that list. I love Knox, TEs typically take a year or two to find their niche. I think Knox can be a damn good player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdand12 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 12:50 PM, Boatdrinks said: Probably, and that shows just how lacking the Bills are in offensive weapons. They have 2 WRs that should be on an NFL roster . it shows something. not sure it is how limited they are with weapons honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 1:37 PM, JESSEFEFFER said: He was so under utilized at Ole Miss that there is no way he could be even close to a finished ball catcher as a rookie. He has done well so far, imo, and will do more. If the offense makes a late season surge, he'll be part of the reason. He showed well against the Browns. Two balls he did not come up with were part on Josh and part on his not having his big body in quite the right position. He is learning fast and will be a tough matchup going forward. excellent post I would like to get Sweeney on the field. Kroft was picked up before the draft if i recall. Not sure how i feel about him. But Knox ? Yes i see him getting better and better in all aspects of his game , and playing for the Bills long term ( hope) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I think he is a good player, and very well might be the 3rd best receiving threat on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I was surprised by his acceleration. I'd like to see more of those quick TE screens to him. Or those middle TE screens that KC uses to Kelce. Dude has the speed to break one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 They signed Yeldon to catch the ball out of the backfield, so he's inactive every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: They signed Yeldon to catch the ball out of the backfield, so he's inactive every week. That was more insure they had one. In case Singletary did not work out i bet. Yeldon still fumbles btw On 11/14/2019 at 8:28 PM, Augie said: He’s certainly had some bad drops. I also like what I see in general. He blocks pretty well, he’s got some fire in his belly and he makes plays. I hope he learns to focus on the catch and keep growing into a special TE. He has made some fine catches as well. I agree with bolded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: That was more insure they had one. In case Singletary did not work out i bet. Yeldon still fumbles btw Ok, that happens when you don't play lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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