Big Blitz Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) I have always firmly been in the absolutely not column for this. I love the look of the snow games. The weather in a way brings the fans together and we get crazier especially when we're good. We wear it as a badge of honor. I was at the coldest game on record vs the Jets I think it was in 1993. I was at the comeback game. My parents had season tickets in the upper deck in the early 90s. Happiest moments of my childhood was going to those games. The sweet spot years of becoming a fan. So I get it. But if the game is changing, why are we not considering this especially in an area where the wind is all to common a problem and thus impacting the passing games you want to build? This is not an overreaction to yesterday either. It's a serious question. I heard a few weeks back there is talk in KC of getting a dome in order to maximize Mahomes for the next 10 years. They'd have to get started immediately. I know....other cold weather cities survive. But they don't have the wind we do. Chicago does. Look how historically prolific their offenses have been. Green Bay it's just cold. Never really see wind as an issue. Same Seattle. Just rain....and peak Seattle won with D and Lynch. Its 2020. Players don't like this weather and WRs aren't exactly lining up to come here. The early 90s Bills loaded with Hall of Fame talent has been the only modern day offense that was able to play in the weather we get consistently. But you can't stack talent like that anymore. We had the oline. We had the running game. Great WRs. And a D that took it to another level at home especially when we had the lead. And we did. A lot. But that's been the only run in this franchise's history of great offense. Yes QB is a a massive part of it I know. But still. It's an adjustment if you're not from Western PA or played in Canada. So I've changed. If Terry is serious about a stadium. I'm about 90 percent all in on a dome. Edited October 29, 2019 by Big Blitz 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Would a retractable roof or some sort of portable cover work for crap days? The stadium looks so nice on sunny days. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I’d be cool with a dome. Something like Lucas Oil Stadium wouldn’t be bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 No! Football is an outdoor game. Weather didn't stop the 90s Bills! Patriots see fine with it too as does Green Bay 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Noooo! it is time for a team with a few studs on the O.line who can dominate in the elements. A precise passer and a hellacious D End to cause havoc after the offense takes the lead. It will be more fun sitting outside once that time comes for the Bills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said: Noooo! it is time for a team with a few studs on the O.line who can dominate in the elements. A precise passer and a hellacious D End to cause havoc after the offense takes the lead. It will be more fun sitting outside once that time comes for the Bills. How many times do the stars align in a franchise history for all those things to come together? 7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: No! Football is an outdoor game. Weather didn't stop the 90s Bills! Patriots see fine with it too as does Green Bay Matt Ryan and the Falcons will have played 2 outdoor games this year. It might be 3 but at least for fantasy scouting purposes before the season started smart players were aware of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 One more time in my lifetime would be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 We drafted Allen to throw through 20-40 mph wind gusts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 It's not the facility. It's the players and coaching. Nothing else. Draft well. Develop well. Profit. Detroit Lions ain't won a thing playing inside. Pittsburgh has 6 rings playing outside. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 29, 2019 Author Share Posted October 29, 2019 7 minutes ago, purple haze said: It's not the facility. It's the players and coaching. Nothing else. Draft well. Develop well. Profit. Detroit Lions ain't won a thing playing inside. Pittsburgh has 6 rings playing outside. Don't necessarily disagree. But 4 of those were from the 70s. The 2005 team did it with Defense and Bettis. The 2010 team was just awesome. They've had a great oline and D when they're good. Shocker. It starts in the trenches. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 First off, domes kinda weird me out. But that’s for my therapist. However, I like the dome for both the players and the fans. We get loud and I can only imagine how much louder we’d be in a dome. Also, the weather sucks for the fans as much as the players. When this team doesn’t do well in December, people will absolutely choose to stay home rather than sit through that crap. I was anti-dome for a while, but there seem to be fewer and fewer games decided by the weather where I’d take our fans making every game a larger home field advantage with noise than home for some snow 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, Virgil said: First off, domes kinda weird me out. But that’s for my therapist. However, I like the dome for both the players and the fans. We get loud and I can only imagine how much louder we’d be in a dome. Also, the weather sucks for the fans as much as the players. When this team doesn’t do well in December, people will absolutely choose to stay home rather than sit through that crap. I was anti-dome for a while, but there seem to be fewer and fewer games decided by the weather where I’d take our fans making every game a larger home field advantage with noise than home for some snow Myself personally Virgil, I get both sides of the argument. The deciding factor for me as OP pointed out is maximizing Josh Allen/ arm. I mean you can say Allens arm strength is a good fit for bad weather. That doesnt mean its not an even better fit for controled playing conditions. I don't care how hard you throw the football, high winds will still hurt the accuracy of a throw. It stands to reason Allen in good playing conditions can hit smaller windows at further distances then most NFL QB's. In winds 20 mph and above all bets are off IMO. Rain, snow, none of it helps a QB. A Superbowl in Buffalo would also be very lucrative for the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: I have always firmly been in the absolutely not column for this. I love the look of the snow games. The weather in a way brings the fans together and we get crazier especially when we're good. We wear it as a badge of honor. I was at the coldest game on record vs the Jets I think it was in 1993. I was at the comeback game. My parents had season tickets in the upper deck in the early 90s. Happiest moments of my childhood was going to those games. The sweet spot years of becoming a fan. So I get it. But if the game is changing, why are we not considering this especially in an area where the wind is all to common a problem and thus impacting the passing games you want to build? This is not an overreaction to yesterday either. It's a serious question. I heard a few weeks back there is talk in KC of getting a dome in order to maximize Mahomes for the next 10 years. They'd have to get started immediately. I know....other cold weather cities survive. But they don't have the wind we do. Chicago does. Look how historically prolific their offenses have been. Green Bay it's just cold. Never really see wind as an issue. Same Seattle. Just rain....and peak Seattle won with D and Lynch. Its 2020. Players don't like this weather and WRs aren't exactly lining up to come here. The early 90s Bills loaded with Hall of Fame talent has been the only modern day offense that was able to play in the weather we get consistently. But you can't stack talent like that anymore. We had the oline. We had the running game. Great WRs. And a D that took it to another level at home especially when we had the lead. And we did. A lot. But that's been the only run in this franchise's history of great offense. Yes QB is a a massive part of it I know. But still. It's an adjustment if you're not from Western PA or played in Canada. So I've changed. If Terry is serious about a stadium. I'm about 90 percent all in on a dome. I haven't seen many bad weather games, especially at home, give the Bills any kind of advantage in the last decade+. And since our QB's need all the help they can get, I'd rather us just play in a dome at this point. As great as Bills fans can be, in 2017 we were in the midst of a playoff race & there were still tons of empty seats seen on TV late in the year during cold/bad weather games, even against divisional opponents. I've only been able to make it to 2 Bills home games during the winter the last several years, but both times the attendance was pretty mild. We weren't eliminated from the playoffs yet, so being abysmal wasn't the reason, and with the cheapest tickets in the league it's not cost doing it either. I just think as time goes on, less & less people want to sit through awful weather for 3+ hours to watch a team play sloppy football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 How do I tag my ex wife in this thread title? She always axes me what happened?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 No, more like it’s time for coaches who know how to win in modern NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Think a Domed Stadium in Buffalo would be great. As much as I think Lucas Oil Stadium is a fine facility, would much rather that Buffalo built theirs in an Art-Deco Arcitectural style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) This team has a very passionate fan base despite the last 20 years of mediocrity and the weather adds to that tradition. Yes, the wind is a pain sometimes, but the other team has to battle it too. Building a dome would take away a lot of what Buffalo is associated with and just add to the corporate sterility of today's NFL. What is next, setting up the parking lots so there aren't all of those loiterers before the game anymore? The OP actually does make some valid points, but I think of the atmosphere of the games during the Bills Toronto series and instantly think that this is not a good idea Edited October 29, 2019 by dgrochester55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I think the NFL should go tp a 50 yard field. build 30,000 seat arenas. And triple the cost of tickets. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I am indifferent. I only go to one game/year and it's always very early in the season so two things are pretty much guaranteed: I know I'm not gonna freeze my balls off; and the fan base (for the most part) is still filled with optimism and excitement. Whatever they decide for the new stadium means nothing to me. Either way, it's probably gonna price me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I don't think an open-air stadium in an area prone to bad weather is an advantage to the home team. Visiting teams might play in Buffalo's bad weather once per season (or once in a season), while the home team may have half of their home slate in the bad weather. That's a disadvantage for the home team, IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 The patriots didnt have a dome sunday, had worse conditions, and won easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Funny - how did our open air stadium FAVOR US two days ago? In reality, the NFL is a for profit industry. The owners will do everything possible to maximize PROFITS. Our message board protests mean nothing. Carry on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Big Blitz said: I heard a few weeks back there is talk in KC of getting a dome in order to maximize Mahomes for the next 10 years. I am sure there are other details being discussed by parties involved, but if fatass Andy Reid and Clark Hunt made this argument to me, I would throw them down the nearest staircase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Big Blitz said: I have always firmly been in the absolutely not column for this. I love the look of the snow games. The weather in a way brings the fans together and we get crazier especially when we're good. We wear it as a badge of honor. I was at the coldest game on record vs the Jets I think it was in 1993. I was at the comeback game. My parents had season tickets in the upper deck in the early 90s. Happiest moments of my childhood was going to those games. The sweet spot years of becoming a fan. So I get it. But if the game is changing, why are we not considering this especially in an area where the wind is all to common a problem and thus impacting the passing games you want to build? This is not an overreaction to yesterday either. It's a serious question. I heard a few weeks back there is talk in KC of getting a dome in order to maximize Mahomes for the next 10 years. They'd have to get started immediately. I know....other cold weather cities survive. But they don't have the wind we do. Chicago does. Look how historically prolific their offenses have been. Green Bay it's just cold. Never really see wind as an issue. Same Seattle. Just rain....and peak Seattle won with D and Lynch. Its 2020. Players don't like this weather and WRs aren't exactly lining up to come here. The early 90s Bills loaded with Hall of Fame talent has been the only modern day offense that was able to play in the weather we get consistently. But you can't stack talent like that anymore. We had the oline. We had the running game. Great WRs. And a D that took it to another level at home especially when we had the lead. And we did. A lot. But that's been the only run in this franchise's history of great offense. Yes QB is a a massive part of it I know. But still. It's an adjustment if you're not from Western PA or played in Canada. So I've changed. If Terry is serious about a stadium. I'm about 90 percent all in on a dome. I would hate a dome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 On Sunday, for whatever reasons, the Eagles managed their game plan and the weather better than the Bills. And I recent years "bad" weather conditions, whether snow, cold, or wind, have not provided the Bills with any kind of advantage. The snow game with the Colt is another recent example. Where was the advantage playing a dome team in snow and just squeaking out a win? In this era, teams are better prepared, cold weather gear has improved from better and more usable insulating materials like gloves and under-garments, and sideline heaters and heated benches remove much of the discomfort. It might have helped the teams of the 90's but they had more talent relative to most of their opponents in a non-salary cap era. My suspicion is ownership, the state, and county are going to propose and pursue a downtown retractable roof stadium focused on efforts to re-develop the downtown area and perhaps integrate as much as possible with Harbor Center. Maybe the Bills retain their training facilities in Orchard Park or they also move downtown? Many like the suburban stadium for its uniqueness, the atmosphere of the game, and tailgating. Some of that would be lost with a downtown stadium. But you have to remember that "Rich" stadium (I think it was the first NFL stadium that sold naming rights) was built at a time when businesses and residents were fleeing the inner cities because of social and economic deterioration. But today's younger generations don't share their parents or grand-parents abandoning of the inner city but rather have more of an affinity for the city rather than suburbs so the trend seems to be reversing. As time moves forward this trend will only get stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) We love our open air stadium just the way it is thank you very much Edited October 29, 2019 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 A Dome / roofed stadium in the city? Yup! ? Makes perfect sense, as long as the Pegulas and the NFL pay for it. Although a loud minority will say otherwise about a city location, but I ignore their opinions, as do all the truly smart people ? oh the traffic, oh I won’t be able to get pissed drunk before and during the game, oh the traffic, blah blah blah, I ‘m right and you’re all wrong. ? Go Bills!!! (Where ever in western N.Y. they are located) ideally Buffalo NY. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I am for a dome but I know one thing...it’s going to look weird for a little bit. We’ve only seen our Bills at home in open air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 No to domes. Football is supposed to be played outside, period. Sometimes less than ideal weather conditions might force teams to alter their game plan, but that’s just part of the game. I know it will never happen, but I’d actually like to see the NFL phase domes out by banning new construction of fixed roofs and mandating that games in retractable roof stadiums always be played with it open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I too was a teenager during the great 90's Buffalo Bills era and watched those games - from home - and thought that the ambience was part of the draw to Buffalo as a fan base, a city and a franchise. However, as the OP pointed out and as I have also said at different times over the last five years, this is a different era in the evolution of the game. There is much more emphasis on the totality of the fan experience with a heavy emphasis on the youth. Kids today spend so much of their time in their rooms or living rooms playing video games, on tablets and phones and the digital age has softened our youth in general. However, that's the reality of the situation and we're not changing social expectations on the whole. I think the dome makes a lot more sense in terms of what the NFL is doing in respect to the game, I think it's smart as you start to bring the younger generation more in to the fold and allowing them to enjoy their game day experiences, and I think the dome also helps your Offense. Additionally, consider how loud that dome could be with the rabid #BillsMafia and the Defense on the field. Minnesota produced what I think is essentially the perfect blue print for the cold weather dome and I truly believe it is the best option for the Bills for the next 20-30 years, to play in a location that nullifies the poor weather experience, maximizes the NFL trend toward Offense, and helps the current generation really become invested in the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Would a retractable roof or some sort of portable cover work for crap days? The stadium looks so nice on sunny days. Waste of money. Retractable roofs are expensive, break easy, and you rarely use them. I like the glass roof in Minneapolis with walls that open to let in fresh air. So once again the notion that the Bills thrive in bad weather goes plop. There is no home field weather advantage. Thank heavens it didn't rain during the game like it did during the tailgate. I don't need to suffer watching games in person anymore. Just build a dome, Terry. Better for everyone and might even help with free agents worried about playing in Buffalo weather. Edited October 29, 2019 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, May Day 10 said: The patriots didnt have a dome sunday, had worse conditions, and won easily Well you know why, don't you. 46 minutes ago, HOUSE said: We love our open air stadium I sit pretty high up and those flag poles along the rim of the stadium were shuddering. And I'm thinking 1) maybe flying all those flags in that wind is not the smartest idea, and 2) how long before one of those poles shakes loose and lands on someone? #lawsuits 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 The best bet for the NY taxpayers is a dome, unfortunately. With a dome, you can attract revenue-generating activities year round that will keep your hotels and restaurants (that you're taxing) filled year round, preferably 7 days a week. That gets the bonds paid off quicker. I don't know the answer to this but is RWS used for anything but NFL football currently? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 10 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Don't necessarily disagree. But 4 of those were from the 70s. The 2005 team did it with Defense and Bettis. The 2010 team was just awesome. They've had a great oline and D when they're good. Shocker. It starts in the trenches. Yep, I agree about the trenches. NE also plays outside and they have won a lot of games at home in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said: On Sunday, for whatever reasons, the Eagles managed their game plan and the weather better than the Bills. And I recent years "bad" weather conditions, whether snow, cold, or wind, have not provided the Bills with any kind of advantage. The snow game with the Colt is another recent example. Where was the advantage playing a dome team in snow and just squeaking out a win? In this era, teams are better prepared, cold weather gear has improved from better and more usable insulating materials like gloves and under-garments, and sideline heaters and heated benches remove much of the discomfort. It might have helped the teams of the 90's but they had more talent relative to most of their opponents in a non-salary cap era. My suspicion is ownership, the state, and county are going to propose and pursue a downtown retractable roof stadium focused on efforts to re-develop the downtown area and perhaps integrate as much as possible with Harbor Center. Maybe the Bills retain their training facilities in Orchard Park or they also move downtown? Many like the suburban stadium for its uniqueness, the atmosphere of the game, and tailgating. Some of that would be lost with a downtown stadium. But you have to remember that "Rich" stadium (I think it was the first NFL stadium that sold naming rights) was built at a time when businesses and residents were fleeing the inner cities because of social and economic deterioration. But today's younger generations don't share their parents or grand-parents abandoning of the inner city but rather have more of an affinity for the city rather than suburbs so the trend seems to be reversing. As time moves forward this trend will only get stronger. In general I agree with this. However, the Bills are very dependent upon the regional fan base traveling. Fans from Rochester or Ontario really aren’t going to care if it’s in a pretty downtown location if it makes driving and parking an expensive hassle. Proper highway access and onsite amenities are extremely important, and for many (myself included) the tailgating adds to the full day event experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 If we knew that building a retractable stadium would bring a Super Bowl to Buffalo like it did to Indy, then yes. Otherwise I kinda like what we have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) Domes positively suck and the idea of playing football indoors is similar to the idea of playing baseball indoors, or on artificial turf. It makes me want to vomit Grow some balls, bring an umbrella, and enjoy that open top! Edited October 29, 2019 by Nextmanup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 NFW. Outdoor stadium is an advantage, a dome is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Our problems on offense are NOT because of weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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