Misterbluesky Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 hours ago, WMDman said: id pick it up, hes been developing nicely He was a stud yesterday...let's not forget about the many tipped balls he had this year..this was his best year as a Bill...I would much rather see him out there instead of the part time and beat up Trent Murphy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 1, 2019 Author Share Posted January 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: He was a stud yesterday...let's not forget about the many tipped balls he had this year..this was his best year as a Bill...I would much rather see him out there instead of the part time and beat up Trent Murphy. Miami somehow thought that trying to block him with a TE, T-Rex arms O’Leary, was a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) I would like him back. I think he is starting to find himself as a player. Could see Shaq turning into an 8-10 sack per year kind of guy. I like him a lot more than Murphy. Edited January 1, 2019 by NewDayBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I like Shaq. Team guy with a solid work ethic. Doesn't seem the type to mail it in after getting paid. I see him progressively getting better. Maybe not elite level but pro bowl level no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Extend him and you may pay less than the option if hes willing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Miami somehow thought that trying to block him with a TE, T-Rex arms O’Leary, was a good idea And the last time he was seen on tape prior to Miami trying to block him with an H-back was against a rookie making his first start at RT. Disappointing final two months for Shaq after early hype again this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Depending on the price I would actually NOT pick up his 5th year option I would however try to sign him to a reasonable extension 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 For sure not. You don't set a price point on Shaq that he hasn't earned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 He is between the value of Aaron schoebel and Chris Kelsey. Remember how we did miss Kelsey when he retired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) Some players develop at a slower rate. Glad he played well this year. Hoping for a 2 year $14 deal. Gives him a chance to stay at a reasonable price but also to build on his solid play and earn a larger contract. Edited January 1, 2019 by Buffalo30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, eball said: The guy improved all year, bought in, and showed his potential on Sunday. Why wouldn't you keep him around? And we know now from the thread, article, and what we’ve heard on this board that the kid had turned the corner and shown another level of dedication. Edited January 1, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 7 hours ago, whatdrought said: I’d offer him a contract for 5-7 million a year for 3-5 years and decent guarantees. I doubt he’d get better on the market. I'd take that deal. I think he's developing nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 5 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Depth at what cost? The 5th year option. Its 2019. We got madd lot yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I won't embrace mediocrity with this team any longer, He is a below average pass rusher that can be upgraded, 10 sacks in 3 seasons is nowhere near good enough imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 He kinda sucks, I’m not excited because he “tried” harder in a contract year. He is still the last guy off on the snap and he talks more than he plays. This is a 3/15 5 guaranteed type of player, picking up the option would be bananas. Shaq fits the definition of replacement level player, just good enough to keep and just bad enough to keep losing games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I don't think he's worth more than Murphy at 7.5 per year. I wouldn't pay more than that with his production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I think McBeane appreciates the development curve of Shaq Lawson more than most of us. I expect them to figure this out. Lets keep our own please. As long as they show the ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 hours ago, CommonCents said: He kinda sucks, I’m not excited because he “tried” harder in a contract year. I wouldn't be excited about that, either, if it were true. Except that it's not. Lawson is under contract next year, and the Bills have the option of picking up his 5th year option for the season after that. (I don't know if they will exercise this option. But, let's agree on the facts first.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Depending on the price I would actually NOT pick up his 5th year option I would however try to sign him to a reasonable extension if we don't pick it up and then try to low ball him, he'll say FU Buffalo and sign with Seattle where he will lead the league in sacks for the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Pick it up..already have a lot of positions to fill....don't add another 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 He certainly played as well as Murphy and his attitude has improved considerably. I'd like to see him get another year to compete for the starting job at LDE with Murphy. I think Murphy was a mistake, but maybe it's just getting over his serious injury that held him back. I could see both of them playing better in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) I’d try and sign him to a long term deal under the option amount. No way I’m renting him for 10 million for one year. Edited January 1, 2019 by CaptnCoke11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Yes used the 5th year option if you do not get a long term extension done. Right now now is the time to do it. He is developing nicely. But has not “Broke” out with the eye popping stats that will cost big money. So sign sign them to like a 6 years 42M with 27 guaranteed. You have him at current value and than cheap if he does “break” out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 One way or another, get him signed and locked in for the next several years. We haven't seen his ceiling yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 16 hours ago, boater said: Buffalo needs to avoid a reputation as a tagging team. If you have a rep for tagging, that's a turn-off for free agents that visit. Buffalo is going to have a hard time attracting free agents as it is, last thing needed is a rep for tagging. I would be shocked if they tagged him. He's not worth that. This draft is loaded with DLine talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I would prefer to see the Bills try to work out an extension and not use the 5th year tag. I like the team better with Lawson on it and he is a good enough player to remain on the team, but the 5th year option is typically a bit more pricey than he deserves for his play. Either way - they have the room and I would rather see them retain Lawson than let him go - so my preference is extension first, then option if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Shaq isn’t going anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 17 hours ago, aceman_16 said: Skip it. IF he plays well tag him....it will cost about the same anyhow and it will keep him hungry. if not, the Bills just dump him. If he does play well you risk alienating him with that strategy. Players don't like the tag. 50 minutes ago, OJ Tom said: I would be shocked if they tagged him. He's not worth that. This draft is loaded with DLine talent. This team has far too many holes to create another one and waste draft picks on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 8 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I won't embrace mediocrity with this team any longer, He is a below average pass rusher that can be upgraded, 10 sacks in 3 seasons is nowhere near good enough imo. Can he be upgraded - yes, but you need depth on your team. Would I pay him 10-15 million a season - nope, but there is no reason to get rid of him. He is good enough to have a long term role and be an important part of this team for many years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I feel like he’s gotten the message and has played himself into what should be a solid part of this D. Thanks Rexy, can’t say that about much of your reign in Buffalo, but just maybe you were on to something here with Shaq after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I'm no cap expert but it looks like he'll make $1.8m salary next year with a cap hit of $3.2m. If we exercise the 5th yr and assume its $10m, then we would get him for two years at around $12m, or $6m/yr. Beyond that, no dead cap money at all. That seems reasonable unless you can work out a 4 or 5yr "role player" type contract, like others stated above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 I'd decline the option, he would make the average of the 3rd-25th highest paid players at his position for this year. Not 100% sure by I think that's somewhere between 10 and 11 million for a guy who had 4 sacks this year. You can get his production from a rookie at far less money. Happy he worked harder this year but it may be too little too late for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 12 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: Can he be upgraded - yes, but you need depth on your team. Would I pay him 10-15 million a season - nope, but there is no reason to get rid of him. He is good enough to have a long term role and be an important part of this team for many years. 10 sacks in 3seasons with almost a full season injured is good enough? Man fans really do embrace the suck here. We were ranked 19th against the run, isn't he and Louteleilei supposed to be these superb run stuffers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabills21 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 On 12/31/2018 at 3:39 PM, YoloinOhio said: I might be the only one who was confused by Sal's tweet, but to clarify: 1. Shaq is under contract for the 2019 season (unless we trade or release him - unlikely) 2. 5th year option would be for the 2020 season. Even if Buffalo does not pick up the option, we'd still have the ability to sign as a free agent prior to the 2020 season At this point, I don't think Shaq has done enough to lock him up for 2020. Shaq seems like a great teammate and showed signs of improving this year, but his lack of consistent pass rush and slow burst off the ball is still a concern for me. This is a very good defensive end draft...if Beane stays true to his word (bpa), if expect that we find a DE in round 1 or 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 You pick up the 5th year option. Easy decision. He was the second best player on DL most of the year. His body finally looks close to what he did in college. It appears he will never be a dominant pass rusher - that skill seems to come early for players. But with Hughes and an OLB that can rush the passer in the draft they will be ok. If he plays well next year then you can extend his contract after the 2019 season. Picking up the option does not preclude making a long term deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 He finally turned it on. In a pretty big way. Now is not the time to let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I'm sure they will check in on his status in mini camp in April. If he is in great shape and spent the off season working on what they talked about, they'll extend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 7 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: 10 sacks in 3seasons with almost a full season injured is good enough? Man fans really do embrace the suck here. We were ranked 19th against the run, isn't he and Louteleilei supposed to be these superb run stuffers? He is a depth DE that can give you starts if needed. What exactly are you looking for out of him? If you are looking for JJ Watt type numbers then yes you will be disappointed, but if you are looking for a player that can give you some nice early down plays both against the run game and the pass game then there is nothing wrong with him. In 14 games - 30 tackles, 4 sacks, 6 passes knocked down, and 2 forced fumbles for a rotation DE. If you lock him up at 5 million a season or so and expect similar numbers you are not embracing suck - you are maintaining depth at a valuable position. If you sign him to a 10-12 million contract and expect him to start and be your primary DE and put up bigger numbers - then you may have an argument, but that is not what they have expected in his 2 years under McDermott - he is a hard working complimentary piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Shaq played well this year. He isn't what I hoped and believed he would be because his pass rush has never developed, but he has been a decent contributor in 2018. Can someone who knows the process explain something for me - Are the Bills allowed to negotiate an extension with him before they make the 5th year option decision? Or is it only the decision on that which unlocks the ability to negotiate an extension? So could they go to him now and say "look Shaq we like how you came on this year, but the body of work isn't worth what we would have to pay you on the 5th year option, how about we decline the option but extend you contract to a 5th year in any event at a lower cap $$ which means if you can back up your 2018 again in 2019 and 2020 in a defense you now know and understand you will still hit FA as 26 year old with an opportunity to make some money?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Shaq played well this year. He isn't what I hoped and believed he would be because his pass rush has never developed, but he has been a decent contributor in 2018. Can someone who knows the process explain something for me - Are the Bills allowed to negotiate an extension with him before they make the 5th year option decision? Or is it only the decision on that which unlocks the ability to negotiate an extension? So could they go to him now and say "look Shaq we like how you came on this year, but the body of work isn't worth what we would have to pay you on the 5th year option, how about we decline the option but extend you contract to a 5th year in any event at a lower cap $$ which means if you can back up your 2018 again in 2019 and 2020 in a defense you now know and understand you will still hit FA as 26 year old with an opportunity to make some money?" Once they decline the option, they can negotiate an extension like normal. I’m sure they can technically open talks beforehand, but any agent worth his salt wouldn’t agree to anything before the option decision was finalized. Why give the Bills any more negotiation power? It’s like having a mini-franchise tag hanging over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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