Not Applicable Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Sitting Miller in what is likely the biggest game in Bills regular season history would be a bad move. If anything, he provides a calming veteran presence for a team that is notorious for getting a little bewildered during stressful moments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Funny thing, I had a dream last night about a Von sack this weekend. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 7 hours ago, Einstein said: Now he tells us… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 This crowd is easily impressed. This is saving face. He should have deactivated himself a month ago if he is this aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 54 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Am I the only one who thinks there is a real chance he retires this spring? yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Excluding this season, if you look at his avg sacks per year since entering the league x.8, we’re looking around 8 sacks next year. All things considered, I’d take that. For what he's getting paid? Nope. 20 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Sitting Miller in what is likely the biggest game in Bills regular season history would be a bad move. If anything, he provides a calming veteran presence for a team that is notorious for getting a little bewildered during stressful moments. So when he's taking a very wide path to the QB it's strategic. He is actually circling the wagons. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Am I the only one who thinks there is a real chance he retires this spring? If he gets a ring there's a big possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Am I the only one who thinks there is a real chance he retires this spring? That would be beautiful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerstAusGosheim Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 What an absolute horrible signing. That money could have been a #2WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Am I the only one who thinks there is a real chance he retires this spring? 23 minutes ago, ddaryl said: yes 14 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: That would be beautiful Hope not, because a retirement accelerates all his dead money just as if we cut him. Maybe he can wait until post June 1 to retire? 🤞 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Am I the only one who thinks there is a real chance he retires this spring? Making the most money he possibly could out of that last contract was extremely important to Von. If Von’s play just deteriorated to this low level solely due to age, I would be the first one calling for his retirement. However, the fact is that a major injury caused this decline. Injury is the main reason players negotiate for guaranteed contracts. So, Von will get his money and there is nothing that can be done about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 He will not retire or take a pay cut. The Bills will have to cut him this offseason and take a huge dead cap hit(this is what I would do), or keep him at least one more year knowing he is not the same player any longer, and then kick him to the curb with a somewhat less painful dead cap hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Hope not, because a retirement accelerates all his dead money just as if we cut him. Maybe he can wait until post June 1 to retire? 🤞 just for the record, since you quoted me. I too do not expect Von to retire, as I feel the injury takes time to get right and he was rushed back too soon. My answer of "yes" was that... Yes I do beleive he was the only one who thinks Von will retire Edited January 5 by ddaryl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Will anyone cry tears of joy when Von gets his first sack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 47 minutes ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: Sitting Miller in what is likely the biggest game in Bills regular season history would be a bad move. If anything, he provides a calming veteran presence for a team that is notorious for getting a little bewildered during stressful moments. Have you watched any games this year? This team is loaded with “veteran presence” and he does NOTHING on the field 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, uninja said: That's....that's just not how this business works. It’s a joke bro. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: @Scott7975 Ask Aaron Rogers: https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/07/31/aaron-rodgers-explains-significant-pay-cut-jets#:~:text=The new deal will see,salary for his new team. It can be done. Let's hope Von has the character to do so. I'm just trying to understand how it works I guess. I don't get how a team can just null a contract and make another for less money without some downside to it. There has to be a downside there right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ray Stonada said: I respect this. Me too ! This guy if nothing else when it comes to football has his head is in the right place, he is a consummate professional & a great leader when it comes to showing the younger guys how it's done . Now with that being said i know i wouldn't have paid as much money as the Bills did to get him in a Bills uni, but before he got injured i think he could have been worth some of what they are paying him & given what Floyd is doing Von should have made half of what he signed for . I wish Von was healthy because it would have been fun to see those 2 doing what they do together with the rest of what they have for weapons on this D . Then i think if Millano, Jones, Von, Tre, were all healthy this year OMG ... GO BILLS !!! Edited January 5 by T master 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 hours ago, Steptide said: If he doesn't get back to some form of his former self, whether it's this year or next, he will be beanes worst signing. That much money for... 8 games? I'm still going with Star!! Von did effect outcomes in some games while he was here. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I'm just trying to understand how it works I guess. I don't get how a team can just null a contract and make another for less money without some downside to it. There has to be a downside there right? No downside for the team, just for the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Although Beane whiffed with Von Miller it seems, the pickup of Rasul Douglas has made up for this deficiency, and McD choosing to sit him is really the best move. The response to criticism that Beane and McD have had has been positive and I applaud them for doing what is necessary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackKemp Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, Doc Brown said: The sad part is he was everything we hoped for before he tore his ACL. We don't win @Chiefs or @Ravens without him. He also sacked Cousins to force that insane 4th and 18 Jefferson catch. He was something special to watch and it's a darn shame as he could've gone down as one of the best signings in Bills history. That really is the sad part of the situation. I am not convinced from what I've seen from him that that player will ever be seen again. He turned into a boat anchor on this team because of that contract. Edited January 5 by JackKemp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 It's a big game start him. Hall of Famers rise to the occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 37 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I'm still going with Star!! Von did effect outcomes in some games while he was here. 😎 Wasn't stars contract only 2 years though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, GerstAusGosheim said: What an absolute horrible signing. That money could have been a #2WR. I don't understand this. The man was hurt. If you had said this on day #1 after his signing, then you are a wise GM. However, if Josh blows out his elbow Sunday for career ending injury--is Allen an "absolute horrible signing"?? Injury is part of this game. That said, I've been saying spend on WR2 since Brown/Beasley left. The Miller signing was a McCappy "D bling" thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Looking at the optimistic side, he's a 1st ballot HOF and got benched....that's a major shot to his pride and maybe this motivates him. He hasn't lost his burst, he just doesn't bend or change levels at all. He's equivalent to a pitcher throwing fastballs without any movement and right over the plate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: This crowd is easily impressed. This is saving face. He should have deactivated himself a month ago if he is this aware. My impression is they had hope that removing the knee brace would kick start things. And he did show a couple sparks after taking the brace off, but obviously it was still way below an acceptable level of performance. Edited January 5 by strive_for_five_guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 12/20/2023 at 10:27 PM, Richard Noggin said: Not according to his responses early in this video. Did you watch? The player's reported concern isn't strength or what is referred to as power, I think, in the interview. Jones' concern or uncertainty is over what sounds like flexibility and ability to rely on the repaired area under dynamic football conditions. He reportedly feels fine in the weight room. Now he needs to see how he feels on the field, where strength is tested under far less static and controlled conditions. Basically, can he be explosive and violent in 2-5 second bursts of combat against NFL linemen? 2 hours ago, Scott7975 said: How does a player take a "pay cut?" I don't think they can. At least not in a way that helps the Bills other than some salary cap space by extending him and giving him more guaranteed money. I have never heard of this. Even if they could... what person would do this? Didn't Aaron Rodgers do that this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Lord. The revisionist history with this signing is hysterical. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I think he has bigger critics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, stinky finger said: His mind says yes, body says no. That's like me with the wifey after a night out but i have had one too many bourbons 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 18 minutes ago, The Tomcat said: Didn't Aaron Rodgers do that this year? Yes, but I am trying to understand how it works. There has to be some kind of downside for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Something that I just realized -- the Bills record over the last 2 seasons when Von is NOT on the field is exemplary. Recall that he went down in the Detroit game last season -- and the Bills won every regular season game after that. This year he was inactive for the first four games -- and the only one of those games the Bills lost was the Jets game in which the defense played well -- and we lost because Josh was careless with the football. In fact, when Von was inserted this season (against the Jags) that is when our of our troubles began. Interesting. Not sure how much of this is coincidence, the surrounding players stepping it up knowing that he is out, changes to defense alignment, etc. He did have some key plays last season -- but has been mostly invisible this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Dude has 3 tackles all year. What can he say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 32 minutes ago, Steptide said: Wasn't stars contract only 2 years though? yea but he sucked, while von simply got hurt. I think misjudging a player completely is worse than the cards simply coming up poorly. the only interesting piece I see in this situation with Vons comment is that if he believes he should be a healthy scratch, there is always the chance that he will think he should retire- especially if this stretches into a playoff run and he’s not capable even another month removed from the injury. If he thought we were doing him wrong that would be a different story all together. 11 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Yes, but I am trying to understand how it works. There has to be some kind of downside for the team. you could straight up reduce your salary. 99% that we see are restructures, like you reference. However if your alternative is getting cut and you don’t think the market is there to sign another deal for as much money you could work a middle ground with the team to reduce salary going forward while allowing them to avoid accelerating cap hits that create big dead money. The downside to the team is you are likely paying the player at or above market rate but with the upside of reducing pay and cap hits in the contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 25 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: That's like me with the wifey after a night out but i have had one too many bourbons Between you and I - same here. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I'm still curious to see if this was a one game type of thing or he's in fact done for the year, and possibly done as a Buffalo Bill altogether. Still not sure how this team can move on from him though unless he's suspended by the NFL or agrees to some sort of restructure that allows the Bills to pay him to leave without major negative cap ramifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 10 hours ago, Einstein said: The big question is will he give money back to the bills or a non profit for his poor play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 no points for acknowledging the obvious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 6 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Respectfully disagree, it’s the mind that usually holds the person back in instances like this. Physically the knee is repaired and ready to go, mentally he doesn’t trust it yet. take him to indy, mcafee can bang on it with that 'ringing of the shoe' hammer. thatll show him he can trust it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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