Are you ready to marry Brady? (Joe)

[BillMafia716ix]

We had a 1st down with 2:11 left and the Chiefs only had 2 TO. We called 3 straight pass plays… idk how you could mess that situation up as a play caller. It was awful

 

Let’s not crown Brady yet. 

[Beast]

No. Brady has to show me more before I consider him as our permanent OC.

 

The Bills offense looked rather pedestrian yesterday, especially the last 40 minutes of the game.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Beast

[Rocky Landing]

I will say it was nice seeing those two TE sets we were promised coming to fruition, with Knox and Kincaid both blocking, and making receptions. It was also nice seeing Cook used in the way everyone said he could be, including lining up like a wideout. 

[kkim0904]

He had trouble picking up the blitzs.  We did not use quick slant in a whole game.

[Rigotz]

58 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

 

-The 4 weeks prior to Dorsey being let go we ranked 8th in EPA on offense and scored 21.5 PPG. Both those numbers only go up if you take that data back further. 

-The 3 weeks Brady has been OC we rank 8th in EPA on offense and scored 28.6 PPG. 

 

We have generated almost 7 more PPG in the sample with Brady but in the same sample our defense ranked 9th in EPA vs 32nd in the previous 4 when Dorsey was here. 

 

Still too early, but I do want to point out that not all games are created equal.

Green = Top 10 defense

Yellow = 10-22 defense

Red = Bottom 10 defense

 

Dorsey:

Jets: Defensive DVOA Rank: 3rd ... 16 points scored

Raiders: Defensive Rank: 16th ... 38 points

Commanders: Defensive Rank: 32nd ... 37 points

Dolphins: Defensive Rank: 11th ... 48 points

Jaguars: Defensive Rank: 8th ... 20 points

Giants: Defensive Rank: 25th ... 14 points

Patriots: Defensive Rank: 10th ... 25 points

Buccaneers: Defensive Rank: 17th ... 24 points

Bengals: Defensive Rank: 26th ... 18 points

Broncos: Defensive Rank: 30th ... 22 points

 

Brady:

Jets: Defensive DVOA Rank: 3rd ... 32 points

Eagles: Defensive Rank: 20th ... 37 points

Cheifs: Defensive Rank: 9th ... 20 points

 

Dorsey had some horrible offensive games against bad defensive teams. Eagles aren't bad.

Joe Brady hasn't, but again ... too early. I like what I've seen thus far.

[billsbackto81]

Right now, gun to my head? No.

 

He's the flavor of the month but still a ways away IMO  

[Mango]

No, this second half offense looked a lot like the KD offense. Gripping too tight, trying for the big play, totally forgot they were allowed to run the ball. 

[DrDawkinstein]

If we're going to make Brady our OC then we better be ready to make him a HC since any OC that has a bit of success will be on the next short list of HC candidates.

 

And if we're going to sit on a carousel of OCs with McDefense at the helm, it's unlikely we never get anything going.

 

For the crowd that is scared to fire McD because of what that turn over might mean and having to re-build, get ready for the same thing with OCs constantly leaving.

 

Promote Brady to OC, and if it works out next year, be ready to promote him to HC. Such is the modern NFL.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Very unimpressed with his 2nd half performance.

 

he’s an upgrade over Dorsey. That’s as far as I’ll go so far. 

 

I agree with you.  The second half play calling left a lot to be desired (felt very Dorsey-ish).  

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

1 hour ago, PonyBoy said:

Once upon a time Marcia Brady, but definitely not Joe.....yet! 😀

..then you get to move into the family house..

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Thought he shoulda ran more play action yesterday, and also some no huddle. He could've also handled the last 2 mins better. Kc had 3(?) timeouts left and we needed to find a way to make them burn those. Instead they threw it 3 times and essentially gave kc 3 more timeouts

The time management and play calling ending the half & game were bad.  Andy never burns late TO's unless he absolutely has to.

[zow2]

I was ready for the engagement after 500 yards at Philly.  But yesterday gave me pause. Gonna need to see if they can crank up the O a bit more in coming weeks against teams they should move the ball against.  Seattle hung a bunch of points on Dallas.  They are not as tough defensively as KC in my opinion.

[hondo in seattle]

The offense feels a lot more multidimensional than before.  There's less dependence on the Allen- Diggs connection, and much less dependence on Josh being Superman.  I'm appreciative of these changes, for sure.  

 

However, we still have problems with wideouts getting separation.

 

And we still have the problem that Kurt Warner's continually harps on: Josh still often chooses the hard yards over the easy yards.  It makes for great highlights when it works but it also leads to TOs and stalled drives.  

 

And I hope this offseason, like I hope every offseason, that Beane upgrades the OL.  They weren't good in the second half of yesterday's game.  A better OL will make Cook a better runner, Josh a better (and healthier) QB, and Brady a better playcaller.  

[boater]

The do or die Cowboys game at home will tell us a lot about Joe Brady. Let's revisit this topic then.

 

Regarding Marcia Brady: for being 67 years old, Maureen McCormick has aged well. Dudes in her age group are lining up.

[Don Otreply]

To soon, although he is a noticeable step up from Dorsey, need to see how the rest of the season plays out, 

[John from Riverside]

I don’t know he only scored 20 last game

 

[BillsFan130]

I said it during the game but I think Spags was in his head a bit.

He must have guessed KC was going to blitz a lot, as there seemed to be what, 8 WR screens yesterday?

 

I hope they go back to more 11 personnel and dictate terms, opposed to reacting to what they think the D is doing to them.

 

Spread them out, let Josh cook, and get James cook the ball in space 

[msw2112]

The second half play calling wasn't great, but it's still better that what we had with Dorsey.  The Bills were also on the road against a good KC team with a good defense in a very loud stadium.  I didn't love the passes on the final drive, but it didn't look like they were going to be able to get the first down on the ground, so I assume they thought having the ball in Allen's hands was the best way to try and get it.   Mahomes doesn't need much time to drive down the field (as we know all too well, unfortunately), so even if they ran the ball and KC used it timeouts up, there would have been plenty of time left for KC if the Bills didn't get the first down.   

 

Regardless of what we think/feel on this board, Brady will be the OC the rest of this season and, in my opinion, that will be enough of a sample size for me to know if I'd want him to stay in the role for next season.  I'd be inclined to stay with him if I had to make the choice right now, but I'll wait and see how the rest of the season plays out. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

We really need another WR who can separate. 

Are we all finally on the same page here with Gabe Davis not being the #2 going forward? 

 

He has 3 goose-eggs now. 

[Comebackkid]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

Agree 100%. Just hoping it wasn’t McD in his ear changing things. I am fine with Brady I think. Just don’t want McD anywhere near this offense. 

I would think McD has his hands full running the D and being a head coach during the game

[PonyBoy]

1 hour ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

..then you get to move into the family house..

 

[Comebackkid]

The hard thing is he needs the off-season to make any real changes to the scheme, but at the same time your then stuck with what u get.

I seen the his friend DJ Mangas to help him out. 

[Bill Grundy]

He was found out very quickly yesterday  by a canny old bull. However, that’s to be expected. His whole vibe and MO is fantastic. 

That whole Dorsey tantrum last season should have been the warning. An uptight, intense guy try to lead a cool and carefree offense. Was never going to work. A dull logician who has no respect for magic. 

[Rocbillsfan1]

Didn't like that the second half got away from the run game and passing to the Rbs especially Cook but I'm willing to give him until the end of the year. I don't get the hate on that final drive though where we threw to Diggs on first down. That is a catch 99% and is a running play but Diggs dropping it really screwed up the flow at that point. That's on Diggs not Brady.

[mrags]

47 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

I would think McD has his hands full running the D and being a head coach during the game

It’s not hard to call your OC on the headset and tell him what you want him doing as far as game plan. It’s exactly what HCs do every single week. 

[Playoffs?]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Very unimpressed with his 2nd half performance.

 

he’s an upgrade over Dorsey. That’s as far as I’ll go so far. 

Yep.

Our offense blew in the second half.. doesn’t help that Josh was under duress for most of it. 
Also need to take that stupid WR screen out of the playbook. It doesn’t work!

[TPS]

3 hours ago, Success said:

 

The 2nd half was a head-scratcher - but I'm willing to give a pass on that, especially against KC's D, which is one of the best.  Overall, he's been really good.

 

The 3 passes at the end, though....

 

That irked me. Run the ball on first and you get to the 2 minute warning going into second down.  I'm sure they'll discuss that one for future reference.

[T master]

I think Brady is utilizing the talent he has better than Dorsey did . This team has some weapons and using the backs they have in the run game more consistently (and haven't even used Fournette as of yet) makes a big difference in opening up some other areas of the field .

 

If this team can hit it's stride now it sure wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit . GO BILLS !!!!!

Edited December 11, 2023 by T master

[Logic]

I felt the yesterday's game was the first time Brady has faced real adversity as an offensive playcaller, and I can't say I was particularly impressed with the results.

I like Brady so far. I feel he's a better play caller than Dorsey. He has better sequencing and more logical use of plays, he uses them to set up future plays, and he seems to have a better feel for game flow than Dorsey did. He also seems less like he's just randomly calling plays and more like his gameplans and playcalls have purpose.

All of that having been said, the Chiefs defense adjusted in the second half to what the Bills were doing, and Brady mostly failed to counter-punch. Specifically, he got away from what was working with James Cook (yes, I understand this his pass blocking deficiencies will keep him off the field at times), abandoned the run, stuck with the WR screens too long, failed to get the WRs meaningfully involved (other than those screens), and had a bad end-of-game sequence on the Bills' final offensive drive.

No play-caller is great 100% of the time. Sometimes, you get outcoached. Steve Spagnuolo is a veteran and very savvy DC, so it's forgivable that his very formidable Chiefs defense, playing in Arrowhead, got the better of Brady's offense in the second half. 

Going forward, I'll be interested to see how he rebounds after faltering a bit down the stretch in Kansas City. Can he get Diggs more consistently involved? Can he keep the run game and James Cook humming, and stick with them when they're working? Can he generally keep up the offensive production and avoid stagnation as opposing defenses have more of a "book" on what he likes to do as a playcaller?

Early returns are good, and I'm cautiously optimistic. But I am not yet ready to crown Joe Brady or commit to him as offensive coordinator for next season. I need to see how the rest of the year plays out.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Logic

[MasterStrategist]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Very unimpressed with his 2nd half performance.

 

he’s an upgrade over Dorsey. That’s as far as I’ll go so far. 

On the flip side, we also seem to get off to a much faster start under Brady.   That's huge, playing with a lead.

 

I think Brady will be here next year, not only due to what the offense has shown under his guidance but the upbeat/energy he brings.  He's a good fit.

 

Also went against 2 teams on the road- and a strong Jets defense at home.  Chiefs have a top 10 defense this season, Jets top 5...he's shown the moment isn't too big for him.

[Stads]

If I do decide to propose, there will certain speculations to my betrothal. They are as follows:

-Get Cook more involved (20+ touches per game)

-Stop the damn bubble screens to Diggs. They make me sad and unhappy

-Feature Kincaid until teams decide to stop blanketing coverage towards Diggs

-Other stuff I can't think of at the moment

[ndirish1978]

4 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

It's too soon to crown Brady. The second half yesterday was a horrible backwards step towards the days of Dorsey.

 

I mean Josh had Gabe running wide open for the go ahead TD and he just completely didn't even see him. Not everything is Brady. 

[BananaB]

3 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

We had a 1st down with 2:11 left and the Chiefs only had 2 TO. We called 3 straight pass plays… idk how you could mess that situation up as a play caller. It was awful

 

Let’s not crown Brady yet. 

I watched his interview earlier, pretty sure he said Josh had the opportunity to run or throw the screen which he felt I basically a run. Diggs dropped the ball and he decided he likes his chances getting into the endzone with Josh throwing twice instead of running and only getting a yard or two.  

[Yawning Frog]

[Freddie's Dead]

Not if he keeps abandoning the run in the 2nd half when we're NEVER behind.  We saw enough of that with the drought OCs.  

[somnus00]

Improvement by the defense is tied to offensive improvement. It's...dare I say it...complementary football.

[ganesh]

He also will need a full off season to implement his own variances in the playbook and the playcalling.   Right now he is still running Dorsey's offense with some changes he felt may help the team.  Also, to be fair to Brady, he may not even have the personnel he needs to run his plays.  

[Kincaid Kool-Aid]

I’m thinking friends with benefits for now and see what happens.. Just got out of a highly toxic OC relationship and not ready to jump back into anything serious yet…

Edited December 12, 2023 by Kincaid Kool-Aid

[NoName]

If I had to choose now, I would say put a ring on it.  Would rather wait til the end of the season to decide.  Joe Brady has been really good.  I'd give him a B plus.

[Scott7975]

I'm loving him so far but too soon for me.  Need to see more. I would love him better if he found answers for the Chiefs pressure but he really didn't.