Mikie2times

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They had arguably the greatest offense of all time with Moss that year. If a few things happen differently in one game they’re considered the greatest team in sports history. I’m sure they would have been just fine with a star WR long term if they went that route. Brady didn’t need it, that is what they proved. Ball was always going to an open player at light speed. They didn’t need a guy like Moss to make it work, but it would have been just fine either way. That one year it produced results like we have never seen before or since.

I don’t know if he would somehow become this target monster elsewhere. He’s a pure slot who lives within 10 yards of the LOS. 100 targets is a lot for a guy like that. You could argue he’s getting more looks on average here.

I don't think we can separate fantasy just from the standpoint that fantasy is production and that has to be meaningful. So I'm at least starting out with a production based list. 71 players had at least 40 targets last year and 5 Fantasy points a game. This excludes a guy like Rashee Rice, but I'm not trying to be perfect here. 33 of those 71 are below, with all of them likely ranking below Shakir from my view. Some closer than others, but got to start somewhere. That leaves 38 players below. The stack ranking is by fantasy points per game and it has Shakir at 32. Which is probably pretty close. I'm sure some here would prefer Shakir to Shaheed, Jeudy, Reed etc. But it's pretty close in that 30-40 range and that is likely where he is. Probably closer to the top half of it. I think what's also key to understand with Shakir is how important he is for OUR system. He is so difficult to tackle and is elite in the short passing game. Brady probably prefers him to many who are likely better just based on his skill set. Sort like an Edleman with the Patriots. I'm not sure if he was ever considered an elite WR, but what he did for the Patriots was critical to the success they had and as a result his value to them was likely much higher than the rest of the league.

They broke up because she had smelly butt? 🤯

Kincaids frame isn’t large enough to support 70 catches.

I will give him as many birthday wishes as he has sacks in a Bills uniform. Happy birthday @Alphadawg7

In case anybody needs a memory jog. I think some of this also has to do with what is going on in your life at the time and how much emotional bandwidth you have to invest. I actually found the Wade Phillips, Gregg Williams, Mike Mularkey era fairly enjoyable compared to other drought eras. Probably because it was still close enough to successful times or maybe just because I had more in the tank those years. Some interesting players as well. The demise for me started in the Jauron years. It seemed like hope just leaked out little by little each year after. To the point where I probably should have enjoyed the Gailey years more as the players of that era were enjoyable (Fred, Stevie, Fitz) but I just didn't think the team was any good. So it was hard to win my emotions over or overly devote emotional bandwidth to the team. I started to come around more again in the Marrone years, then I felt Rex, at the time, was interesting and needed. Even if he was a toe sucker. We needed something different and he was certainly that. It felt like we were getting closer at that time in some ways. The wild card drought breaker really came at a perfect time. Prior to Josh and so unexpected. That wasn't a playoff team but it didn't matter. It was just so good for the fans and I was thrilled or Kyle who was one of my all time favorite Bills. I could watch the celebration/clubhouse video a million times and it would never get old. For me it allowed some more patience and interest in the new regime. Once Allen started playing it's been pretty much early 1990-2000 must see TV every game.

I hope. Run him early. Let him get hit a few times.

Just kidding man!

Front runner

I think this is closer than the original. I would probably go something like this Boss: 5 sacks Rousseau: 9 sacks AJE: 5 sacks Jackson: 5 sacks Solomon: 2 sacks

100% and double 100% to the rest of it. It was a complete 180 with Brady vs Dorsey. Dorsey was dependent on downfield/low % throws from Allen, Allen's rushing, Air Yards, and limited running game. We had almost no way to be methodical. It magnified Allen risk taking. With Brady nearly the entire offense is designed for on schedule plays. Screens, high run%, check downs, all YAC. Then we mix in Allen's big play ability and his legs. That's who we are and it's a great recipe, but teams can certainly create problems for us at times (as they can for everybody). Assumptions that we will always be prolific like this thread seem to call out are just off base. If you jump on us early, we abandon the run game. If teams have the ability to play press effectively and play close to the line of scrimmage, our screen game isn't as effective and we struggle beating teams over the top. If you keep Allen in the pocket so much of his running game and improvisation is neutralized. We do not have any consistency in our on schedule medium/intermediate passing game. Baltimore did a very good job in both games exposing this. We saw it at times in the playoffs with lesser competition and execution. The Eagles are built to execute what I'm calling out. I think with the Super Bowl jitters Allen would start slow. They would jump on our shaky defense then condense the field on our offense. Our screens wouldn't be as effective. The run game wouldn't be as effective. This is exactly when our talent level at WR does matter. It would snowball fast and look a lot like Baltimore's first game, which will likely look a lot like our first game this year (IMO). That is, unless our defense can keep it close. That can at least help us stay away from pure Allen ball.

Actually, the difference is, what is repeatable vs what is not repeatable. The Ty Johnson play vs Denver was not repeatable. It was not part of our offense. It was Allen doing Allen things as Allen does most the year. This offense is a mirage. It's Allen off script creating for a large part of the production which losses consistency at random times as it's not a consistent way to generate offense. You need to actually understand the game a little to make such an observation.

No, is that clear enough?