Mikie2times

This is the 2nd most disgusting post of the offseason. @HOUSE gets the first for his recent antics.

I think the same with Jones. I know a lot of these guys can play that role if asked but I would think a guy whose main role being run support is still important. Games like Philly and Baltimore still present significant stress to the run defense even with all these acquisitions.

I don't know if we will be healthier again. More depth now though which we really needed although depth at LB scares the crap out of me.

I'm not going to get into the weeds too much here. As I think this conversation has digressed into "we suck" a bit too much from either perspective. I posted this yesterday showing how teams have used draft allocation since 2018. Drafting WR's at high rates doesn't mean you will be good. As it seems pretty clear looking at the top 5-10, that is often not the case. But just as clear, anybody in the area Buffalo is has a fairly developed WR room. Along with that, most of the teams we are chasing are at least ranked in the middle area. They value the position and they keep deploying assets towards it. In that thread, you can also see DL and DB as two of the positions the most successful teams target. Which is exactly what we did this draft. Further, when you roll up all three positions (WR/DL/DB) you do see some very good teams near the top. So to me basically everybody is right on these takes. The DL and DB position groups needed help and good teams stock up in these positions. But good teams also draft WR pretty consistently, that is unless they have a fairly stacked roster. Throwing in everything combined, if I had to say what three positions appear most important to focus on as far as what the better teams in this league are doing, it's WR/DL/DB in no order. We should be drafting at least one if not two WR's a year until the room is filled out. That isn't insulting Beane, that's just saying what it appears like most of our higher level competitors do. At the very least, what most of them do if they don't already have that position filled.

I think Colemans natural position is big slot. Makes sense if he needs a little help getting off the ball. Just a crowded area for our WR's. The first half of the comeback was an absolute clinic. One of the best I ever recall seeing. But classic case of systems failing when competition increased. It was hard for them to protect leads.

The thud you hear at the start is his sack hitting the table. Its how he enters a room now.

Ready to get after it

Honestly man, I write plenty of good things about this team and things to just better understand the team statistically. My opinions are how I feel. It’s not some sort of agenda (as it appears to be with you) labeling anybody who doesn’t kiss our leaderships feet as a “non fan hater”. Keep it on football and the content, not me.

One trend sort of stands out, allocation to WR/DL/DB as the 3 primary. Look at the leaderboards in that area.

I did this pre draft and here is the post draft update: I took Fitzgerald-Spielberger average pick value for trade purposes (1st pick is worth 3000, 2nd 2649) all the way to the end of the draft. I then evaluated by position how much each team spent as a % of the total pick value they were allotted since 2018. While not perfect, I'm attempting to get some statistical way to represent what we have spent at each position in draft capitol in relation to other teams. Again, this is as a % of that teams total capitol, so it's looking more for how you spent what you had, not how much did you have. These are the rankings by position with the heat graph below.

My sweet spot would probably be 30. But ya, do you ever reach a point in life where you don’t like beautiful women?

This seems to be a really interesting grouping not only thru training camp but also when Ogunjobi and Hoecht (can we please give nicknames?) return. It would seem Hoecht could be more of a hybrid as far as position allocation, so another layer with that factored in. How many do we typically keep each year is also not something I'm 100% on. So I'm curious what some people think as far as what they expect this to look like out of camp and what they expect this to look like when those two players return. Do you see any surprise cuts? I have heard Jones and Carter being tossed around, but those appear to be the likely 1 tech DT's? I know Ogunjobi can play that spot as well. Perhaps even Walker although most his draft feedback has said that isn't necessarily who he is.

One group of posters is happy for how far this team has come and is reasonably content with where our franchise is. Another group recognizes our achievements but will always be critical until we win a Super Bowl. Every argument about this team is based on that, including this one.

It's in the middle IMO. But point taken.

Yup. Very few paths to winning it all that don't require the offense to have a few clutch drives.