We ever gonna use Kincaid ?

[LabattBlue]

1 minute ago, Dopey said:

We don't need to rely on a rookie TE and that's a good thing. We can bring him along at a nice pace. Too bad some of you want to blow your load in 2 minutes. Don't we have another 14 games to go?!?!?

If they don’t need to rely on him, then why jump up in the first round to select him?   Good thing that Sherfield, Harty and Knox are lighting it up, while they bring Kincaid up to speed. /sarcasm off

[That's No Moon]

3 hours ago, DCofNC said:

LaPorta looks like a steal, but it’s more to do with use than anything.  

It's this, which is why the answer to the OP question is no. Dorsey has no idea what to do with either him or Knox other than to have them as checkdown dump off options. We were told there were mismatches to be had. Show men Ken finding and exploiting those mismatches. We are told teams are playing a lot of two deep shell. Well, the place to attack that is the seam in the middle. Ken has not attacked that seam.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, ddaryl said:

you mean the 2nd leading receiver in catches on the team

What is wrong with some of you?

https://www.buffalobills.com/team/stats/

11 catches for 72 yards spread across 3 games. Remind me to grab this guy off the waiver wire for my fantasy team. 
 

All jokes aside, Kincaid will get his, but Dawson Knox is still the best TE on this team

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I thought Bills were going to play him in the slot ?

[Eastport bills]

1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

Did you watch game #2? It was the best Bills OC performance in years. Of course he has to repeat this. Dorsey has so many weapons to play with that he will have this pressure to wow the league. For sure. Do I think Reid, McDaniels and others do a better job? YESSS. But it doesn't mean he sucks! Last year I was bewildered that he went from very creative to start the year to very predictable by the end. Hopefully it changes, but so far this year he's done a pretty good job! Many new pieces and they are figuring out how to use them... while winning. So far so good IMO.

I like your optimism. I’m not saying he’s terrible. I want to see Kincaid brought into the offense. He’s the best TE in the draft. I want to see more  wide open crossers other than Diggs. I want to see more Sherfield. It took 3 games to get him his first receptions and they were dump offs when Josh got flushed. He was very productive for Miami last year. How about Hardy in the vertical scenario, which he was brought in for. How about a screen to somebody. I’m seeing too many draws with Josh sprinting laterally to Cook going over the left side. Jet sweeps are getting stuffed. So in closing, we beat 2 pedestrian offenses. I’m not complaining about wins, but we have better receivers and backs this year. I want to see an offense where Josh doesn’t have to be fitting throws in tight windows to hit Diggs or Davis. When you watch these other great offenses they have plays that are wide open. We should have some. Miami confuses with motion, SF uses Sweeney and McCaffrey on screens and short crossers. What’s our identity? To me, after the Jets, Dorsey’s offense was stay away from turnovers and Josh will find a way. Hopefully this will get us a win on Sunday.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

10 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

11 catches for 72 yards spread across 3 games. Remind me to grab this guy off the waiver wire for my fantasy team. 
 

All jokes aside, Kincaid will get his, but Dawson Knox is still the best TE on this team

That on pace for 62 catches this year, 5th most ever for a rookie TE. 

[Irv]

We'd get more production out if this Kincaid.

 

  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 hours ago, Blackbeard said:

I swear some of you just parrot what goes on at WGR.

 

No.   We're never going to use him.  Ever.

 

Sneaky Joe has one purpose in life:

To tweet-troll low-IQ bills fans into following the screeching idiots at WGR.

 

Seriously, the local sports station in ATLANTIC CITY has better sports hosts than Buffalo

 

[todd]

He's a rookie going into his 4th game, so time is clearly running out! Total bust!

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

This Laporta kid drafted after him is crushing it in Detroit 

 

Id like to see similar things from Kincaid 

Kincaid certainly has the talent - it’s on Dorsey and, to a lesser extent, Allen to design opportunities for him and get him the ball.

[MJS]

2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Bills just dropped 38 & 37 points consecutively. Are people really complaining? Do we need to score 70 points this week? Give Kincaid a little time. We aren’t even a quarter of the way thru the season yet. 

It would be hilarious if we scored 70 on the Dolphins. The internet would break.

[mjd1001]

Allen is already competing over 70% of his passes...and the Bills so far are a top rushing team.  Who do you want to take touches away from to give to Kincaid?

 

[ddaryl]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

 

All jokes aside, Kincaid will get his, but Dawson Knox is still the best TE on this team

If Kincaid and Knox keep up their present pace Kincaid will be considered the best Bills TE before the seasons end, as a rookie.

And I am not saying Knox unworthy its just the mind numbing thought process from some Bills fans on what a rookie TE should accomplish in 3 games

Just for comparison sake. Knox and Kincaid both have the same amount of targets, Kincaid has more yards and more catches. Knoxs does have 1 TD.

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by ddaryl

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, arcane said:

Johnson relies on the best run blocking o-line in football, has a boring and unimpressive passing game, and before last night his team's advanced metrics centering on the run game were bottom 5 in the league

 

People love the hot new name though

Horrific take tbh

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, corta765 said:

Andddd this is why I hate fans. Four weeks into the season people take massive brush strokes on rookies with no thinking behind it or giving time for things to play out.

 

-Kincaid is third on the Bills in receptions and yards

-He is pacing for the 5th most receptions ever by a rookie TE

-Only two rookie TEs ever have even broke 1000 yards and just five have broke 800 yards

-11 TE's in the history of the NFL as a rookie have broken 600 yards, by comparison 6 rookie WRs last year broke 600 yards. It is a legitimately difficult position to learn and integrate a new player year one.

-The Bills offense is still working in many new pieces at this point it is far from a finished product

-If you watch All 22 Kincaid is open 24/7 and doing his part, Josh is building trust and learning to find him. The Jets game Kincaid could've had a 100 yards easily if Josh stopped playing hero ball

-Plenty of players as rookies come on hot and hit the rookie wall, others take their time in the first half of the season and find their wings

um a large chunk of our fans were predicting that none of that history of rookie TE’s applied to Kincaid. Fun times.
 

 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Allen is already competing over 70% of his passes...and the Bills so far are a top rushing team.  Who do you want to take touches away from to give to Kincaid?

 

Harty

[dma0034]

6 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Allen is already competing over 70% of his passes...and the Bills so far are a top rushing team.  Who do you want to take touches away from to give to Kincaid?

 

 

Jordan Whitehead... I kid I kid. I do think it's because it's his rookie year but he needs to be the TE1. Knox isn't really that great imo

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, dma0034 said:

 

Jordan Whitehead... I kid I kid. I do think it's because it's his rookie year but he needs to be the TE1. Knox isn't really that great imo

Knox is a significantly better blocker.  He’s fine being TE2/slot WR.  Just needs to be utilized 

[ColoradoBills]

If you look at the season schedule as a whole, this is the first game that you'd bring out different looks as an OC.

I am really looking forward to seeing some innovated uses of some of the new weapons on the Bills.

If we don't see that I will be a bit disappointed in Dorsey and Josh.

 

This is the game to begin to show what Kincaid, Harty and Sherfield can do.  Knox has more TDs against the Dolphins than any other team.

Show me what you got Ken!

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Gunner: what tells you this?  I would have no idea how to assess this, so I’m interested in how you came to see this. Thanks!

 

By knowing the standard route combinations in the NFL and by comparing to what the Bills have run in the past. I think he is getting a little impatient and coming out a hair to soon on a lot of his routes which ends up him being a bit shallow on where he should be. It isn't a big difference but the precise margins of an NFL passing offense means it matters. Think he needs to relax a bit. Internal clock likely going too fast.

[Joe Ferguson]

Don't worry about Kincaid. We have another TE who specializes in dropping balls.

[Rigotz]

Fun fact, Dalton Kincaid is tied for 9th most receptions by tight ends in the NFL this year.

 

So ... yeah, we're going to use him and we've actually already used him more than most TE's in the NFL.

[AuntieEm]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Fans live and die by a game by game basis. Teams have an idea and play for the next 3-5 years (at least, they should).

 

Last year this same sentiment was used at this point in the year right here on this very forum about James Cook. Look at Cook now. A year in and he's improved his stock immensely. Is being used, productive and is a threat.

 

If Gibbs isn't seeing the field, there's likely a reason for that. In young backs the most common reason is that they either aren't trusted as pass blockers yet or are struggling to learn pass game concepts IMO.

I'm thinking Kincaid is doing well in practices and is getting open sufficiently but is not being targeted to keep him a bit under wraps.  He'll be used more as the season goes on and he won't be burnt out he hasn't been overly targeted.  Let him peak as the post season approaches and avoids a common rookie hits wall due to the longer season and the higher demands of pro level football.

 

 

[CEN-CAL17]

I feel Kincaid will get his number called a lot this week.

 

Fangio will more the likely play 2 high safeties as always giving no big plays, always cheating towards Diggs. Hopefully there will be plenty of soft spots underneath with play action or stretching the field that will allow Kincaid to see close to double degit targets 

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, AuntieEm said:

I'm thinking Kincaid is doing well in practices and is getting open sufficiently but is not being targeted to keep him a bit under wraps.  He'll be used more as the season goes on and he won't be burnt out he hasn't been overly targeted.  Let him peak as the post season approaches and avoids a common rookie hits wall due to the longer season and the higher demands of pro level football.

 

 

Only thing is...teams look at film not stat boxes. If he was getting open and was where he needed to be on a play it would show up on film. It wouldn't shock the opposing coaches or players. 

[AuntieEm]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Only thing is...teams look at film not stat boxes. If he was getting open and was where he needed to be on a play it would show up on film. It wouldn't shock the opposing coaches or players. 

No but that also can cause opponents to think  wow Josh never goes to the obvious open players he's gonna keep trying to hit the home runs to  Diggs or Davis.  So they don't cover the middle as aggressively.  So far they really just been using that to get more from the ground game.  As teams start to shut that down, maybe Josh adds in the  TEs. Now the opponents are caught which way should they play it.  Josh can use some pump fakes and hand it off when rather bite on a fake or hit open TE if they commit to a run stop.   It's how well is Jish analyzing the defense and getting the right play executed against it.

Edited September 29, 2023 by AuntieEm

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

By knowing the standard route combinations in the NFL and by comparing to what the Bills have run in the past. I think he is getting a little impatient and coming out a hair to soon on a lot of his routes which ends up him being a bit shallow on where he should be. It isn't a big difference but the precise margins of an NFL passing offense means it matters. Think he needs to relax a bit. Internal clock likely going too fast.

Yeah your favorite Erik Turner alluded to that after the jets game.  He needs to run some of his routes a step or two deeper to spread the defense.  
 

It’s like playing 4 out in hoops.  4 guys sit at the 3 point line while the ball handler breaks down his man and takes it to the rack.  If one or more of the 4 guys that are supposed to be standing at the 3 point line are instead standing 17 feet away (mid range), it allows their defenders to cheat and play 2 people at once.  Gotta spread em out DK!  

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

It's this, which is why the answer to the OP question is no. Dorsey has no idea what to do with either him or Knox other than to have them as checkdown dump off options. We were told there were mismatches to be had. Show men Ken finding and exploiting those mismatches. We are told teams are playing a lot of two deep shell. Well, the place to attack that is the seam in the middle. Ken has not attacked that seam.

Yep, which is what Goff is doing bc he has WRs the D fears and has to respect.  Also, to Dorsey’s credit, if I were a D coordinator, I’d also completely disrespect every WR except Diggs.  Davis can’t catch a cold and the rest are fringe NFL players ( or so it appears).  So the TEs should get some coverage as they are the only other real option.

45 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I feel Kincaid will get his number called a lot this week.

 

Fangio will more the likely play 2 high safeties as always giving no big plays, always cheating towards Diggs. Hopefully there will be plenty of soft spots underneath with play action or stretching the field that will allow Kincaid to see close to double degit targets 

I hope so

[Airseven]

LaPorta has been terrific. Bills have no clue what to do with a TE. Kind of like how they have no clue what to do with a man corner.

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

If they don’t need to rely on him, then why jump up in the first round to select him?   Good thing that Sherfield, Harty and Knox are lighting it up, while they bring Kincaid up to speed. /sarcasm off

Beane wanted him and felt Dallas would draft him ahead of us. News flash: most rookies aren't all pros their rookie year. You thought it was dumb to draft Bernard last year, didn't you? Did you also think it was dumb to move up to draft Allen, with the plan of having him sit his rookie year?

[NewEra]

52 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I feel Kincaid will get his number called a lot this week.

 

Fangio will more the likely play 2 high safeties as always giving no big plays, always cheating towards Diggs. Hopefully there will be plenty of soft spots underneath with play action or stretching the field that will allow Kincaid to see close to double degit targets 

I feel like every team does this to us every game.  
 

Get him involved underneath ffs.  

[White Linen]

6 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

This Laporta kid drafted after him is crushing it in Detroit 

 

Id like to see similar things from Kincaid 

 

With all due respect, if we're going to compare Buffalo and Detroit they aren't the model.  How they've underutilized Gibbs is quite ridiculous.  

[mrags]

6 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

This Laporta kid drafted after him is crushing it in Detroit 

 

Id like to see similar things from Kincaid 

Definitely not Kincaid fault. It’s all coaching/scheme/playcalling. Leave it to this staff to draft a guy and not utilize him. Elam anyone?

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

With all due respect, if we're going to compare Buffalo and Detroit they aren't the model.  How they've underutilized Gibbs is quite ridiculous.  

I'm assuming you drafted him lol

 

Needed to hammer weak GB interior and Montgomery was the right call

 

Gibbs can eat off tackle but they were trying to make a statement imo

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Yeah your favorite Erik Turner alluded to that after the jets game.  He needs to run some of his routes a step or two deeper to spread the defense.  
 

It’s like playing 4 out in hoops.  4 guys sit at the 3 point line while the ball handler breaks down his man and takes it to the rack.  If one or more of the 4 guys that are supposed to be standing at the 3 point line are instead standing 17 feet away (mid range), it allows their defenders to cheat and play 2 people at once.  Gotta spread em out DK!  

 

Yea Erik is generally good at what he does. He just isn't very good at debating his opinions when someone disagrees 😁

[nedboy7]

Yes we all want Kincaid to be ahead of the league leader in catches and yards at the moment. 

They discussed how absurd this narrative is on Locked on Bills. 

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by nedboy7

[Fallser]

Is there a thread here for Kaiir Elam?  Cuz that dood has been a healthy scratch through 3 games this year and was a first rounder last year....not great.

 

EDIT: YEP THERE IS.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Fallser

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Beane wanted him and felt Dallas would draft him ahead of us. News flash: most rookies aren't all pros their rookie year. You thought it was dumb to draft Bernard last year, didn't you? Did you also think it was dumb to move up to draft Allen, with the plan of having him sit his rookie year?

No. If I thought that, I would be Dopey.  

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

If you look at the season schedule as a whole, this is the first game that you'd bring out different looks as an OC.

I am really looking forward to seeing some innovated uses of some of the new weapons on the Bills.

If we don't see that I will be a bit disappointed in Dorsey and Josh.

 

This is the game to begin to show what Kincaid, Harty and Sherfield can do.  Knox has more TDs against the Dolphins than any other team.

Show me what you got Ken!

I'm afraid he doesn't have much. Sure looks like he's still raw and learning on the job. He might be a good OC in the future. Right now, I think he's more of a liability than an asset. He lacks creativity and innovative. 

 

The Bills in the mist of a super bowl window shouldn't be testing the waters with a OC like Dorsey. 

[78thealltimegreat]

5 hours ago, Dopey said:

Through the first 3 games of the season, we're averaging 30 points per game. A whole td more per game than Detroit's 24 per game. I for one am glad we don't have to rely on a rookie like Detroit does. If we did, Kincaid would have bigger numbers. With all the 2nd and 3rd year players we have that have shown development, it's weird that some of you keep clamoring for rookies to play more. Believe it or not, our staff knows what it's doing with the players and how to develop players. They start rookies that deserve it. In their opinion. The only opinion that matters.

Ahh that why they had two guys playing for them down the stretch who were retired to start the season last year?