We ever gonna use Kincaid ?

[Irv]

2 hours ago, Fallser said:

Is there a thread here for Kaiir Elam?  Cuz that dood has been a healthy scratch through 3 games this year and was a first rounder last year....not great.

 

EDIT: YEP THERE IS.

 

At this point, we'd get more production out of this Elam than the dude we drafted.  

[Sherlock Holmes]

8 hours ago, Johnnycage46 said:

If we start losing games and Kincaid is routinely open but not used...I think that is a problem.  But if we are winning, then who cares who gets the ball?

I do...

[Chaos]

8 hours ago, arcane said:

And on Ben utilizing personnel - Detroit traded a good RB for a late round pick and then spent pick 12 on a RB, who they refuse to use in place of a JAG free agent signing 

There should be a bitter fantasy owner emoji. 

[Franco_92]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

There should be a bitter fantasy owner emoji. 

My post is pushing back on the idea that we don't use Kincaid but across the lake where the grass is greener they Use Their Weapons, with an example of that very same team not using a significantly more expensive weapon lol

[Your Brown Eye]

He's basically a freshman 

[BobbyC81]

This has been a long-standing issue with the coaches of this franchise.  It goes back to John Rauch using OJ as a receiver.

They’ve run small RBs inside the tackles, run FBs to the outside, etc.   Chan Gailey was the only one to use CJ Spiller correctly.   These coaches make it seem like rocket science in figuring out the best ways to use weapons.

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, BobbyC81 said:

This has been a long-standing issue with the coaches of this franchise.  It goes back to John Rauch using OJ as a receiver.

They’ve run small RBs inside the tackles, run FBs to the outside, etc.   Chan Gailey was the only one to use CJ Spiller correctly.   These coaches make it seem like rocket science in figuring out the best ways to use weapons.

Too bad this weeks rocket scientist that's a ub grad is a ref not our oc.    He knows rocket science and could figure out what to do with out rookie class each year.

Edited September 30, 2023 by AuntieEm

[Nitro]

Bills are easing the kid into the offense.  Settle down Francis.

[Kornfed]

Not only are they easing Kinkaid into the offense...... The Bills are going in big time (compared to forever) on the two tight end 12 offense. I really believe Josh has to experience a bit of a change to his reads as he has mostly played multiple receiver sets as opposed to 12. ... Am I the only IQ 86 fan who realizes that the O is gunna be a work in progress for this reason?????? ..... How can this extreme point not be obvious? ...... Now ya know.

[RichRiderBills]

He's on pace for like 65 grabs as a rookie TE2 and that would make him like a top 5 all time productive rookie TE. 

 

Seems to be a decent part of the offense. 

 

Oh but "He's not Laporta" ....

[John from Riverside]

We’ve played three games
 

Was he not used quite a bit in the first game?

[EmotionallyUnstable]

4 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:

He's basically a freshman 

You know they say there’s only one good thing about a freshman. One day, he’ll be a sophomore. 

[GimmeSomeProcess]

10 hours ago, Nitro said:

Bills are easing the kid into the offense.  Settle down Francis.

Exactly, they are letting him get his feet. Plus when they’ve been in 12 personal teams are staying in nickle. We are taking advantage of that by running

[Straight Hucklebuck]

10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

We’ve played three games
 

Was he not used quite a bit in the first game?

I’m in between on this.

 

”Quite a bit” - he had 4 catches. 
 

When the 2022 Bills struggled all season with finding a playmaker behind Diggs, and the answer to that was Kincaid in the 1st and turning over the bottom 3 WRs of your room, I think there should be a greater expectation than 11 catches for 76 yards. 
 

He’s not Nyheim Hines level of missing, but he’s quickly

settling into this background role, and Sherfield, Harty and Shorter are nothing but afterthoughts in this offense.

 

It’s back to Diggs and the usual 1/4 games with Davis. 
 

The only difference is more juice in the run game. 
 

I think fans are right here to look at Dorsey and say this isn’t enough production from a first round pick that Beane again traded up to get. 
 

6.5 ypc, come on. The bar for a “Super Bowl contender” should be higher than that. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I’m in between on this.

 

”Quite a bit” - he had 4 catches. 
 

When the 2022 Bills struggled all season with finding a playmaker behind Diggs, and the answer to that was Kincaid in the 1st and turning over the bottom 3 WRs of your room, I think there should be a greater expectation than 11 catches for 76 yards. 
 

He’s not Nyheim Hines level of missing, but he’s quickly

settling into this background role, and Sherfield, Harty and Shorter are nothing but afterthoughts in this offense.

 

It’s back to Diggs and the usual 1/4 games with Davis. 
 

The only difference is more juice in the run game. 
 

I think fans are right here to look at Dorsey and say this isn’t enough production from a first round pick that Beane again traded up to get. 
 

6.5 ypc, come on. The bar for a “Super Bowl contender” should be higher than that. 

I think I use the word quite a bit in the wrong way he was used
 

It’s a long season

[Straight Hucklebuck]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think I use the word quite a bit in the wrong way he was used
 

It’s a long season

Yes but let’s look beyond it’s a long season.

 

This team doesn’t have a recent track record of developing offensive skill talent.

 

Davis is still playing 95% of snaps, just like he was in 2022. That means that Shakir is stuck in an 11% snap count role and Sherfield can’t get on the field. 

 

Harty is thrown the ball right where McKenzie was - at or behind the LOS. These plays are never successful. 

 

So when you see Kincaid catching dump offs, I do think that Dorsey and this staff lack creativity, because this offense under Dorsey has shown that once you get put into a role, you can’t ever get out of it. 
 

Nyheim Hines showed this. 
 

Shakir has showed this. 
 

Cook sitting behind Singletary showed this and the idea as a pass catcher evaporating last year. 
 

Knox is $10M/year and not a prominent piece of this offense. 

Edited September 30, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Yes but let’s look beyond it’s a long season.

 

This team doesn’t have a recent track record of developing offensive skill talent.

 

Davis is still playing 95% of snaps, just like he was in 2022. That means that Shakir is stuck in an 11% snap count role and Sherfield can’t get on the field. 

 

Harty is thrown the ball right where McKenzie was - at or behind the LOS on 

 

So when you see Kincaid catching dump offs, I do think that Dorsey and this staff lack creativity to 

I don’t know I don’t have a lot of complaints right now we’re scoring over 30 points a game and it’s not all being done by Josh Allen. I called that progress.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

15 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

I do...

Could you at least once let your 'big head' do the thinking for you? 🤔🤨

15 hours ago, Chaos said:

There should be a bitter fantasy owner emoji. 

There is.

[Sherlock Holmes]

47 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Could you at least once let your 'big head' do the thinking for you? 🤔🤨

There is.

I thought that's what I was doing???

[Mr. WEO]

On 9/29/2023 at 9:01 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Johnson does know how to use his personnel very well. What is interersting is his passing scheme isn't particularly complex or creative. He knows what his guys can do and what they can't and he leans into it. 

 

The one concern I have re. Kincaid so far is he is struggling with his route depths. 

 

 

they aren't very deep. He gets short/dump passes then gets tackled pretty quick.  

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

they aren't very deep. He gets short/dump passes then gets tackled pretty quick.  

 

And he should be getting slightly deeper than he is on some of them.

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

We’ve played three games
 

Was he not used quite a bit in the first game?

 

not as a receiver.  4 for 26 yards.

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And he should be getting slightly deeper than he is on some of them.

 

looks more like the check down receiver though--hangs out by the sideline, looks back for a short pass, gets drilled.

[Sherlock Holmes]

On 9/29/2023 at 9:01 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Johnson does know how to use his personnel very well. What is interersting is his passing scheme isn't particularly complex or creative. He knows what his guys can do and what they can't and he leans into it. 

 

The one concern I have re. Kincaid so far is he is struggling with his route depths. 

Kincaid doesn't struggle with route depths...the route depths are struggling with Kincaid!

[Simon]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And he should be getting slightly deeper than he is on some of them.

 

Yeah, it's not egregious but I have noticed several occasions where driving another yard or two downfield would have made a significant difference in the play outcome.

Maybe he's uses to playing with college QB's that need bigger windows to squeeze throws in and this is just an adjustment period playing with Allen.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Yeah, it's not egregious but I have noticed several occasions where driving another yard or two downfield would have made a significant difference in the play outcome.

Maybe he's uses to playing with college QB's that need bigger windows to squeeze throws in and this is just an adjustment period playing with Allen.

 

To me he looks like he is just a bit over eager and is coming up a bit early. 

14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

not as a receiver.  4 for 26 yards.

 

looks more like the check down receiver though--hangs out by the sideline, looks back for a short pass, gets drilled.

 

Yes that is definitely how they have used him for the most part so far. But I think he would be in a better position to break one if he was getting to the right depth. 

[Simon]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

To me he looks like he is just a bit over eager and is coming up a bit early. 

 

So you're suggesting it's a Frankie Goes to Hollywood issue?

Relax, don't do it, when you want to cut....

 

 

[Meatloaf63]

On 9/29/2023 at 10:20 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s tough right now because it’s Diggs and company right now. Hopefully it becomes Diggs, Kincaid, and company.

 

Im not sure when it happens. 

When Dorsey leaves…

[Buffalo_Stampede]

44 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

When Dorsey leaves…

Problem I believe is Davis and Knox haven’t developed into that 2nd option they hoped for. Now it’s politics. Davis and Knox are popular players. Allen wants Davis to eat but he just doesn’t get open enough. He’s a play killer. But Allen finds him on broken plays mostly.

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

To me he looks like he is just a bit over eager and is coming up a bit early. 

 

Don't judge, this happens to a lot of young men!

[Augie]

5 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Yeah, it's not egregious but I have noticed several occasions where driving another yard or two downfield would have made a significant difference in the play outcome.

Maybe he's uses to playing with college QB's that need bigger windows to squeeze throws in and this is just an adjustment period playing with Allen.

 

With Allen throwing at him he should WANT to get a little deeper so he doesn’t get his fingers broken! 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Don't judge, this happens to a lot of young men!

Sometimes I would be so excited, I wouldn't get my socks off! 😕

[Augie]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To me he looks like he is just a bit over eager and is coming up a bit early. 

 

I like to think he can make his routes as disciplined as his eyes. A guy with that catch rate knows how to focus. 

[Warriorspikes51]

Throw 86 the ball more than 5 yards please

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Does Kincaid wear gloves?  No?  There's your problem 

*
He does?  OK, there's your problem.

🤔

[Kaenon]

On 9/29/2023 at 9:17 AM, arcane said:

And on Ben utilizing personnel - Detroit traded a good RB for a late round pick and then spent pick 12 on a RB, who they refuse to use in place of a JAG free agent signing 

Me trying to determine what JAG means since I doubt it was a jaguars free agent RB.

I feel old, and I don't wanna look it up.

I got this... Just don't have it yet.

 

Edit - just as good?

Just now, Kaenon said:

Me trying to determine what JAG means since I doubt it was a jaguars free agent RB.

I feel old, and I don't wanna look it up.

I got this... Just don't have it yet.

 

Edited October 1, 2023 by Kaenon

[Franco_92]

5 minutes ago, Kaenon said:

Me trying to determine what JAG means since I doubt it was a jaguars free agent RB.

I feel old, and I don't wanna look it up.

I got this... Just don't have it yet.

 

Edit - just as good?

 

It means "just a guy." Not a particularly special player, just another RB, which is what Montgomery is

[Chandler#81]

5 minutes ago, Kaenon said:

Me trying to determine what JAG means since I doubt it was a jaguars free agent RB.

I feel old, and I don't wanna look it up.

I got this... Just don't have it yet.

 

Edit - just as good?

 

Just. Another. Guy. = jag

[Chaos]

7 minutes ago, Kaenon said:

Me trying to determine what JAG means since I doubt it was a jaguars free agent RB.

I feel old, and I don't wanna look it up.

I got this... Just don't have it yet.

 

Edit - just as good?

 

[Meatloaf63]

20 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Problem I believe is Davis and Knox haven’t developed into that 2nd option they hoped for. Now it’s politics. Davis and Knox are popular players. Allen wants Davis to eat but he just doesn’t get open enough. He’s a play killer. But Allen finds him on broken plays mostly.

Totally agree. This offense is scoring, but it doesn’t look easy and still requires Allen to be a hero half the time. Play design seems suspect. Receivers to close to one another. Too many long developing plays when f’d get constant pressure. Year two the offense shouldn’t look this disjointed at this point. It’s functioning but not as efficient as it should be.

[John from Riverside]

Today’s the day