We ever gonna use Kincaid ?

[Joe Ferguson]

Don't worry about Kincaid. We have another TE who specializes in dropping balls.

[Rigotz]

Fun fact, Dalton Kincaid is tied for 9th most receptions by tight ends in the NFL this year.

 

So ... yeah, we're going to use him and we've actually already used him more than most TE's in the NFL.

[AuntieEm]

4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Fans live and die by a game by game basis. Teams have an idea and play for the next 3-5 years (at least, they should).

 

Last year this same sentiment was used at this point in the year right here on this very forum about James Cook. Look at Cook now. A year in and he's improved his stock immensely. Is being used, productive and is a threat.

 

If Gibbs isn't seeing the field, there's likely a reason for that. In young backs the most common reason is that they either aren't trusted as pass blockers yet or are struggling to learn pass game concepts IMO.

I'm thinking Kincaid is doing well in practices and is getting open sufficiently but is not being targeted to keep him a bit under wraps.  He'll be used more as the season goes on and he won't be burnt out he hasn't been overly targeted.  Let him peak as the post season approaches and avoids a common rookie hits wall due to the longer season and the higher demands of pro level football.

 

 

[CEN-CAL17]

I feel Kincaid will get his number called a lot this week.

 

Fangio will more the likely play 2 high safeties as always giving no big plays, always cheating towards Diggs. Hopefully there will be plenty of soft spots underneath with play action or stretching the field that will allow Kincaid to see close to double degit targets 

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just now, AuntieEm said:

I'm thinking Kincaid is doing well in practices and is getting open sufficiently but is not being targeted to keep him a bit under wraps.  He'll be used more as the season goes on and he won't be burnt out he hasn't been overly targeted.  Let him peak as the post season approaches and avoids a common rookie hits wall due to the longer season and the higher demands of pro level football.

 

 

Only thing is...teams look at film not stat boxes. If he was getting open and was where he needed to be on a play it would show up on film. It wouldn't shock the opposing coaches or players. 

[AuntieEm]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Only thing is...teams look at film not stat boxes. If he was getting open and was where he needed to be on a play it would show up on film. It wouldn't shock the opposing coaches or players. 

No but that also can cause opponents to think  wow Josh never goes to the obvious open players he's gonna keep trying to hit the home runs to  Diggs or Davis.  So they don't cover the middle as aggressively.  So far they really just been using that to get more from the ground game.  As teams start to shut that down, maybe Josh adds in the  TEs. Now the opponents are caught which way should they play it.  Josh can use some pump fakes and hand it off when rather bite on a fake or hit open TE if they commit to a run stop.   It's how well is Jish analyzing the defense and getting the right play executed against it.

Edited September 29, 2023 by AuntieEm

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

By knowing the standard route combinations in the NFL and by comparing to what the Bills have run in the past. I think he is getting a little impatient and coming out a hair to soon on a lot of his routes which ends up him being a bit shallow on where he should be. It isn't a big difference but the precise margins of an NFL passing offense means it matters. Think he needs to relax a bit. Internal clock likely going too fast.

Yeah your favorite Erik Turner alluded to that after the jets game.  He needs to run some of his routes a step or two deeper to spread the defense.  
 

It’s like playing 4 out in hoops.  4 guys sit at the 3 point line while the ball handler breaks down his man and takes it to the rack.  If one or more of the 4 guys that are supposed to be standing at the 3 point line are instead standing 17 feet away (mid range), it allows their defenders to cheat and play 2 people at once.  Gotta spread em out DK!  

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

It's this, which is why the answer to the OP question is no. Dorsey has no idea what to do with either him or Knox other than to have them as checkdown dump off options. We were told there were mismatches to be had. Show men Ken finding and exploiting those mismatches. We are told teams are playing a lot of two deep shell. Well, the place to attack that is the seam in the middle. Ken has not attacked that seam.

Yep, which is what Goff is doing bc he has WRs the D fears and has to respect.  Also, to Dorsey’s credit, if I were a D coordinator, I’d also completely disrespect every WR except Diggs.  Davis can’t catch a cold and the rest are fringe NFL players ( or so it appears).  So the TEs should get some coverage as they are the only other real option.

45 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I feel Kincaid will get his number called a lot this week.

 

Fangio will more the likely play 2 high safeties as always giving no big plays, always cheating towards Diggs. Hopefully there will be plenty of soft spots underneath with play action or stretching the field that will allow Kincaid to see close to double degit targets 

I hope so

[Airseven]

LaPorta has been terrific. Bills have no clue what to do with a TE. Kind of like how they have no clue what to do with a man corner.

[Dopey]

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

If they don’t need to rely on him, then why jump up in the first round to select him?   Good thing that Sherfield, Harty and Knox are lighting it up, while they bring Kincaid up to speed. /sarcasm off

Beane wanted him and felt Dallas would draft him ahead of us. News flash: most rookies aren't all pros their rookie year. You thought it was dumb to draft Bernard last year, didn't you? Did you also think it was dumb to move up to draft Allen, with the plan of having him sit his rookie year?

[NewEra]

52 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I feel Kincaid will get his number called a lot this week.

 

Fangio will more the likely play 2 high safeties as always giving no big plays, always cheating towards Diggs. Hopefully there will be plenty of soft spots underneath with play action or stretching the field that will allow Kincaid to see close to double degit targets 

I feel like every team does this to us every game.  
 

Get him involved underneath ffs.  

[White Linen]

6 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

This Laporta kid drafted after him is crushing it in Detroit 

 

Id like to see similar things from Kincaid 

 

With all due respect, if we're going to compare Buffalo and Detroit they aren't the model.  How they've underutilized Gibbs is quite ridiculous.  

[mrags]

6 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

This Laporta kid drafted after him is crushing it in Detroit 

 

Id like to see similar things from Kincaid 

Definitely not Kincaid fault. It’s all coaching/scheme/playcalling. Leave it to this staff to draft a guy and not utilize him. Elam anyone?

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

With all due respect, if we're going to compare Buffalo and Detroit they aren't the model.  How they've underutilized Gibbs is quite ridiculous.  

I'm assuming you drafted him lol

 

Needed to hammer weak GB interior and Montgomery was the right call

 

Gibbs can eat off tackle but they were trying to make a statement imo

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Yeah your favorite Erik Turner alluded to that after the jets game.  He needs to run some of his routes a step or two deeper to spread the defense.  
 

It’s like playing 4 out in hoops.  4 guys sit at the 3 point line while the ball handler breaks down his man and takes it to the rack.  If one or more of the 4 guys that are supposed to be standing at the 3 point line are instead standing 17 feet away (mid range), it allows their defenders to cheat and play 2 people at once.  Gotta spread em out DK!  

 

Yea Erik is generally good at what he does. He just isn't very good at debating his opinions when someone disagrees 😁

[nedboy7]

Yes we all want Kincaid to be ahead of the league leader in catches and yards at the moment. 

They discussed how absurd this narrative is on Locked on Bills. 

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by nedboy7

[Fallser]

Is there a thread here for Kaiir Elam?  Cuz that dood has been a healthy scratch through 3 games this year and was a first rounder last year....not great.

 

EDIT: YEP THERE IS.

Edited September 29, 2023 by Fallser

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

Beane wanted him and felt Dallas would draft him ahead of us. News flash: most rookies aren't all pros their rookie year. You thought it was dumb to draft Bernard last year, didn't you? Did you also think it was dumb to move up to draft Allen, with the plan of having him sit his rookie year?

No. If I thought that, I would be Dopey.  

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

If you look at the season schedule as a whole, this is the first game that you'd bring out different looks as an OC.

I am really looking forward to seeing some innovated uses of some of the new weapons on the Bills.

If we don't see that I will be a bit disappointed in Dorsey and Josh.

 

This is the game to begin to show what Kincaid, Harty and Sherfield can do.  Knox has more TDs against the Dolphins than any other team.

Show me what you got Ken!

I'm afraid he doesn't have much. Sure looks like he's still raw and learning on the job. He might be a good OC in the future. Right now, I think he's more of a liability than an asset. He lacks creativity and innovative. 

 

The Bills in the mist of a super bowl window shouldn't be testing the waters with a OC like Dorsey. 

[78thealltimegreat]

5 hours ago, Dopey said:

Through the first 3 games of the season, we're averaging 30 points per game. A whole td more per game than Detroit's 24 per game. I for one am glad we don't have to rely on a rookie like Detroit does. If we did, Kincaid would have bigger numbers. With all the 2nd and 3rd year players we have that have shown development, it's weird that some of you keep clamoring for rookies to play more. Believe it or not, our staff knows what it's doing with the players and how to develop players. They start rookies that deserve it. In their opinion. The only opinion that matters.

Ahh that why they had two guys playing for them down the stretch who were retired to start the season last year?