We ever gonna use Kincaid ?

[Big Blitz]

Change Kincaid’s name to Beasley in the box score and maybe it will make sense for some.   
 

That’s how he’s being used.  Allen only threw 25 passes today and we scored 48 points.    
 

We haven’t been in a dogfight for 4 quarters since week 1.  Maybe Washington but I felt like we played conservative being on the road and the D dominated and no need to force anything.   
 

I feel like a lot of Kincaid needs more targets folks have him in Fantasy Leagues.  
 

Right now he’s ok for fantasy.  But he’s great for the Bills.   

[Stenbar]

Kincaid was used early for a purpose, he was to loosen up the front seven a bit, once that was achieved the run game was smooth, wr's were open and more plays were made because he was used early and needed to be accounted for.

[Motorin']

8 hours ago, NickelCity said:

I had high expectations for Kincaid and I think he'll live up to them, this season. 

 

Look at our passing attempts per game (25 today?), allens ball distribution, and the running game. Plus being a TE in 12 formation. C'mon folks. 

 

Kincaid's on pace for 65 receptions. And his targets will likely increase as the season goes on. 

[Franco_92]

8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

That JAG has 8 touchdowns in 4 games.

And Jamaal Williams led the league in TDs on the same team in the same role. What's he done so far this year? 

 

JAG doesn't mean "bad player" either, it just means "typical player." Most RBs have good traits, Montgomery is no different. But bruiser RBs running behind the best run blocking line in the league will get TDs in the red zone, and that doesn't mean it's smart to use a 12th overall pick on a running back and staple him to the bench all season 

[Gambit]

8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

That JAG has 8 touchdowns in 4 games.

Where are you getting 8? Looks like he's got 5TDs in 3 games.

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Not to mention Kelce didnt even play his rookie season.  Kincaid's catch ratio is over 95%.  Completely agree, people need to calm down.

 

Not very meaningful--to be honest, he's catching Allen's shortest passes (2.7 yards in the air before caught).  

[BearNorth]

After that "Beast Mode" exhibition yesterday, don't forget about Knox.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Not very meaningful--to be honest, he's catching Allen's shortest passes (2.7 yards in the air before caught).  

 

The goal is to make the matchup have to tackle a big 250 pound dude, hes got enough strength and wiggle to break a 1x1 tackle and turn 2.7 yards into a few extra yards.  They haven't utilized him much over the middle of the field yet, and have mostly kept him to boundary checkdowns which he has pulled in.  

[thenorthremembers]

51 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Not very meaningful--to be honest, he's catching Allen's shortest passes (2.7 yards in the air before caught).  

If he was dropping them would it be meaningful?

[MAJBobby]

Kincaid and Knox where MEANINGFUL Sunday.  Might not show in the stat lines.

 

But their 12 personnel was enough of a threat that the Fins did not put a safety over top of their NB covering Diggs 1v1 because respected Kincaid and Knox to eat in the middle.

[ddaryl]

I think Kincaid is all that and a bag of chips. Doing exactly what I thought he would be doing and doing it well

 

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, arcane said:

And Jamaal Williams led the league in TDs on the same team in the same role. What's he done so far this year?

He's been on IR...

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

The goal is to make the matchup have to tackle a big 250 pound dude, hes got enough strength and wiggle to break a 1x1 tackle and turn 2.7 yards into a few extra yards.  They haven't utilized him much over the middle of the field yet, and have mostly kept him to boundary checkdowns which he has pulled in.  

 

whoever he's matching up with seems to be getting right up on him.  they need to send him downfield.

58 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

If he was dropping them would it be meaningful?

 

obviously.

 

not many receivers are going to have a lot of drops 2 steps beyond the line of scrimmage though...

[BullBuchanan]

2 hours ago, Gambit said:

Where are you getting 8? Looks like he's got 5TDs in 3 games.

They played a 4th game yesterday and he had 3.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

whoever he's matching up with seems to be getting right up on him.  they need to send him downfield.

 

obviously.

 

not many receivers are going to have a lot of drops 2 steps beyond the line of scrimmage though...

 

He still manages to wrangle an extra yard or two that a beasley likely doesn't get.  That makes 3rd down something like 3-4 yards instead of 5-7.  

 

Those quick outs are impossible to defend with his enormous catch radius, and it can force the linebacker into compromising his run fits.  

[Captain Caveman]

15 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Not sure what people wanted for a late 1st round pick.  He is doing just fine.

 

I think you don't use a late (or any) first round pick on a position where you already have a $13 million dollar starter unless you expect them to be GREAT.  

 

Hopefully he develops into that, but I think it's fair to be disappointed in his usage so far.

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Kincaid and Knox where MEANINGFUL Sunday.  Might not show in the stat lines.

 

But their 12 personnel was enough of a threat that the Fins did not put a safety over top of their NB covering Diggs 1v1 because respected Kincaid and Knox to eat in the middle.

I do think this is a great point - 

The Bills offense is humming, and Kincaid has been heavily involved in terms of snap count and targets, so even if it's not showing on the stat sheet, it's hard to be too mad about things.

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

He still manages to wrangle an extra yard or two that a beasley likely doesn't get.  That makes 3rd down something like 3-4 yards instead of 5-7.  

 

Those quick outs are impossible to defend with his enormous catch radius, and it can force the linebacker into compromising his run fits.  

 

Not true so far.

 

Beasley's YBC in his first t2 seasons were 6.7 and 7.5.  His YAC were 4.9 and 4.3.  37 and 53 1st downs.

 

Kincaid's are 3.1 and 3.5.  2 1st downs so far. 

[Teddy KGB]

Kincaid > Lee Smith 

[gonzo1105]

You have to remember that Kincaid is being asked to do a ton. Learn a very complex pass scheme structure and he has to learn the blocking schemes, and really learn to block in general since he was rarely asked to do that at Utah. 

 

I know people want to see the guy in the college tape but Knox and him along with the guards are making a world of difference in the run game for starters. He is then being used as a weapon underneath which showed yesterday early. He has a ton of receptions just not a lot of big plays yet but they will come, I promise you that as he gets everything down that he is asked to do. 

[thenorthremembers]

15 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said:

 

I think you don't use a late (or any) first round pick on a position where you already have a $13 million dollar starter unless you expect them to be GREAT.  

 

Hopefully he develops into that, but I think it's fair to be disappointed in his usage so far.

I do think this is a great point - 

The Bills offense is humming, and Kincaid has been heavily involved in terms of snap count and targets, so even if it's not showing on the stat sheet, it's hard to be too mad about things.

Thats only if he plays the same position as the $13 million dollar player, which he doesnt.   Yes, they are both tight ends, but they dont play the same position they have different uses.    Call it what you want in 12 personnel, but Knox is the normal on the ball tight end (Y in some playbooks), meanwhile Kincaid is your off the ball split tight end (F or even H in some playbooks). 

 

The Bills would be complete idiots to draft someone with the exact same position as Knox.   I'll take it a step further to say that NFL front offices have a much different view of players they draft than fans.  Fans are impacted by the media when it comes to the draft.  The brand new great player, the savior of the franchise etc.   I would expect teams, especially those picking in the 20's are just following their draft boards and hoping the person they bring in can help the team early on and then maybe develop into a star later after they have experience.

 

Expecting a player fresh out of college, drafted #25th overall, to come in and be GREAT, is a pipe dream and something that only leads to disappointment.  Its a marathon not a sprint.  

43 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

whoever he's matching up with seems to be getting right up on him.  they need to send him downfield.

 

obviously.

 

not many receivers are going to have a lot of drops 2 steps beyond the line of scrimmage though...

 

My point is, Kincaid cant control the routes he is asked to run, or how deep he is when Josh throws him the ball.   He is doing the portion of his job he can control to 95% percent efficiency.    If you are going to measure a receiving option on how often he drops the ball, you sure as hell better also measure them on how often they catch it, regardless of things he cant control.