Bills Draftees Don't Contribute Much

[hondo in seattle]

Players who the Bills draft don't seem to contribute much according to Warren Sharp...

 

[Virgil]

Considering the rotation we run on our defensive line and the amount of picks we dump into it, not surprising 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

In their rookie years he means?

[UConn James]

McDermott’s distrust of rookies has been chronicled before. 

[Yantha]

Shakir DESERVED way more playing time in his rookie season.

 

 

[Dr.Sack]

Curious about rookie only snaps. Heard McD doesn’t like playing rookies. 

[ndirish1978]

 

 

We have not done the best job in the draft, however the parameters of the 5 year period don't really fit well for this team during that time period. McBeane were in the process of completely rebuilding the roster 5 years ago. 2018 team above; there are only 2 starters on Offense and 5 starters on defense from that team currently on the roster and we drafted exactly 5 of those. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

 Not surprising. Buffalo has brought in a bunch of players that became mainstays here. Hyde, Poyer, Beasley, Brown, Diggs, Morse. Hughes was already here & played for 4 of those 5 years. 

 

 Looking over tne list one thing is for certain..being in the top 10 or bottom 10 doesn't dictate success or failure. There's a mixed bag in both groups.

 

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[LABILLBACKER]

27 minutes ago, Yantha said:

Shakir DESERVED way more playing time in his rookie season.

 

 

Of course he did and so did Elam. Just a incredibly stupid philosophy by McDermott. If you want to mistrust your 5th round pick fine, coddle & sit them. But early round picks should be developed or evaluated immediately. 

[MJS]

37 minutes ago, UConn James said:

McDermott’s distrust of rookies has been chronicled before. 

Josh Allen, Tre White, Tremaine Edmunds, Taron Johnson, Ed Oliver, Dawson Knox, Gabe Davis, Gregory Rousseau, and Christian Benford all disagree with you.

[chongli]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

Players who the Bills draft don't seem to contribute much according to Warren Sharp...

 

 

Thanks for the post. In the future, I would just post the twitter link. This way the tweet will be embedded, in an easier-to-read format, and clickable, so you can view the comments and other tweets the author posts (so the reader doesn't have to search for the tweeter and then scroll to find the tweet). It would also save you time from having to save a screenshot to your computer. [And if you're viewing the tweet from the app on a phone, there is an option to copy the url to your clipboard on the bottom of the individual tweet in case you want to embed online.] Like this:

 

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by chongli

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

Thanks for the post. In the future, I would just post the twitter link. This way the tweet will be embedded, in an easier-to-read format, and clickable, so you can view the comments and other tweets the author posts (so the reader doesn't have to search for the tweeter and then scroll to find the tweet). It would also save you time from having to save a screenshot to your computer. [And if you're viewing the tweet from the app on a phone, there is an option to copy the url to your clipboard on the bottom of the individual tweet in case you want to embed online.] Like this:

 

 

I’m curious how much input McD gives to Beane about what prospects he likes…Because if the decisions were by Beane and his scouts alone, I would be pissed if I were McD…

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, UConn James said:

McDermott’s distrust of rookies has been chronicled before. 

The Chronicles of McDermia 

[BuffBillsForLife]

2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

Players who the Bills draft don't seem to contribute much according to Warren Sharp...

 

Good lord what is going on in Vegas?  

[GreggTX]

We rely too much on FA's. Beane needs to draft a lot better this year because we will have to give this year's rookie class a lot more snaps than usual. We also need last year's rookies like Elam, Shakir, Benford to really step up. I think Cook will always be a part time contributor. RB's that aren't good at pounding it up between the Tackles are of limited use. Bernard was just a bad pick.

[par73]

If the Bills want to maintain their standing in the league, they are going to have to start drafting really well. Far too many misses-- especially on the DL.

[Doc Brown]

Confusing tweet as I'm assuming it's the number of snaps the players we drafted in the last five years played for us. 

 

A lot of this goes back to the 2017 offseason where we got five regulars that have started nearly every snap for at least five of the last six years (White, Dawkins, Milano, Poyer, Hyde).  There's other reasons (Diggs trade, d-line rotation, etc.) but that's pry the main reason.  Not many teams have that many core starters over the last six years.  This list means very little by the way except to laugh at the Raiders.

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, chongli said:

 

Thanks for the post. In the future, I would just post the twitter link. This way the tweet will be embedded, in an easier-to-read format, and clickable, so you can view the comments and other tweets the author posts (so the reader doesn't have to search for the tweeter and then scroll to find the tweet). It would also save you time from having to save a screenshot to your computer. [And if you're viewing the tweet from the app on a phone, there is an option to copy the url to your clipboard on the bottom of the individual tweet in case you want to embed online.] Like this:

 

 

 

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[freddyjj]

Not sure it matters either way.  Exactly one SB winner in top 10 (TB) and in bottom 10 (LAR) in the 5 year period.  

[BillMafia716ix]

When you have a good team. Your rookies ain’t gonna see much time. 

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

Josh Allen, Tre White, Tremaine Edmunds, Taron Johnson, Ed Oliver, Dawson Knox, Gabe Davis, Gregory Rousseau, and Christian Benford all disagree with you.

That’s still a rather low amount overall
 

I think it’s going to change though

[CSBill]

One contribution to this ranking is the Bills have been at the back end of the draft the last five years. There is a collaboration of the teams draft position to opportunity to contribute.

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, UConn James said:

McDermott’s distrust of rookies has been chronicled before. 

 

4 hours ago, MJS said:

Josh Allen, Tre White, Tremaine Edmunds, Taron Johnson, Ed Oliver, Dawson Knox, Gabe Davis, Gregory Rousseau, and Christian Benford all disagree with you.

Tyler Bass too  .  You unfortunately can add Cody Ford and Zay Jones to that list who played every game their rookie year.  I believe Spencer Brown played most of his rookie year as a starter.  The deeper your roster is the less you need to rely on rookies as we have the third most wins over the last five seasons.  I will say though the reluctance to give Shakir and Elam more reps last year was frustrating.  Making Elam a healthy scratch at the Pats is still one of the enigmas of last year.

[artmalibu]

If they did not trade a 1st for Diggs and took one of the WR who is also very good would thy still be in the bottom 10?

[papazoid]

2 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

When you have a good team. Your rookies ain’t gonna see much time. 

 

there are so many other ways to acquire and retain  talent that hinder rookie playing time that skew the OP metric

 

trades, free agent, extending your own players

 

as far as drafting goes, here's a recap of recent first round picks (not to shabby)

 

2017 - tre white

2018 - josh allen

2018 - tremaine edmunds

2019 - ed oliver

2021 - greg rousseau

2022 - kaiir elam

[Shortchaz]

16 minutes ago, papazoid said:

 

there are so many other ways to acquire and retain  talent that hinder rookie playing time that skew the OP metric

 

trades, free agent, extending your own players

 

as far as drafting goes, here's a recap of recent first round picks (not to shabby)

 

2017 - tre white

2018 - josh allen

2018 - tremaine edmunds

2019 - ed oliver

2021 - greg rousseau

2022 - kaiir elam

Now do rounds 2-7

[Matt_In_NH]

Wow Vegas is a ridiculous outlier. And they have had more than their fair share of first rounders.  Indictment on Mayock and a good lesson on what a media clown is actually capable of.  
 

as far as the bills I think you have to consider the roster going into the draft.  The bills have not had huge holes I. Recent years. They have a good deep roster so it’s harder for a rookie ti get snaps.  I think will start changing 

[Chaos]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Confusing tweet as I'm assuming it's the number of snaps the players we drafted in the last five years played for us.

Tweet seems pretty straightforward to mean the part that is bolded from your statement. The tweet itself says "total snaps".   I am not sure why anyone would read it to mean "during their rookie year", since there is no mention of rookie or first year and the number do not seem to make sense for only rookie years. 

[nosejob]

7 hours ago, Yantha said:

Shakir DESERVED way more playing time in his rookie season.

 

 

Shakir is gonna be a star this year. So is Trent.

[nosejob]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

 

Tyler Bass too  .  You unfortunately can add Cody Ford and Zay Jones to that list who played every game their rookie year.  I believe Spencer Brown played most of his rookie year as a starter.  The deeper your roster is the less you need to rely on rookies as we have the third most wins over the last five seasons.  I will say though the reluctance to give Shakir and Elam more reps last year was frustrating.  Making Elam a healthy scratch at the Pats is still one of the enigmas of last year.

Remember when McD pulled Cook after a fumble at the start and went on to say that he didn't want it to fester on his mind, make him over think/over try and hurt his confidence. He believed it best to work the rookies in slow. I believe that the case with Shakir. I know it sounds backwards, but he's the coach, I am not.

 

That being said, I think Shakir is gonna be a star for us and have a very high catch vs. target rate. BTW, wasn't Diggs a 5th rd. pick?

[mrags]

7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

Curious about rookie only snaps. Heard McD doesn’t like playing rookies. 

Naw rookies he’ll play. Just not 1st round rookies 

[Yantha]

7 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Not surprising. Buffalo has brought in a bunch of players that became mainstays here. Hyde, Poyer, Beasley, Brown, Diggs, Morse. Hughes was already here & played for 4 of those 5 years. 

 

 Looking over tne list one thing is for certain..being in the top 10 or bottom 10 doesn't dictate success or failure. There's a mixed bag in both groups.

 

 

 

Yep.  Goes to show you that the free agency is about equally important!

[akcash]

I could see all DL and LB in rounds 1-3

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The under usage of Elam and Cook last year was criminal. Both guys were the best players at their position and neither could see the field. Shakir flashed every-time he got a shot and you forgot he was on the team for most of the season. McDermott is a great Coach Monday through Saturday. On game day, between roster management and in game decision making….he’s below average 

[Don Otreply]

8 hours ago, Yantha said:

Shakir DESERVED way more playing time in his rookie season.

 

 

I don’t disagree, Shakir certainly should have been used more, being his competition in the slot position was pretty poor throughout the majority of the season, its hard to get better in game situations when you don’t get a lot of opportunities in game situations…, 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I'd have expected to see good strong teams in the bottom 10 and weak losing teams in the top 10 as the weak teams don't have any good players,  But in reality, both top and bottom 10 have a mix of both good and bad teams.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

8 hours ago, UConn James said:

McDermott’s distrust of rookies has been chronicled before. 

Not to mention the overall talent level of the draftees.

[PBF81]

5 hours ago, GreggTX said:

We rely too much on FA's. Beane needs to draft a lot better this year because we will have to give this year's rookie class a lot more snaps than usual. We also need last year's rookies like Elam, Shakir, Benford to really step up. I think Cook will always be a part time contributor. RB's that aren't good at pounding it up between the Tackles are of limited use. Bernard was just a bad pick.

 

Cook has never proven to be anything but a role/situational player, I have no idea why we drafted him they with so many other needs.  

 

There's a lot of implicit criticism of McD in this thread.  IMO this Draft is going to make or break both Beane & McD, maybe not immediately, but re: their next contacts anyway if Pegula can't pull the plug.  

 

Here's the thing, besides Allen, they don't have a single pick that has even approached consistently stepping up come playoff time.  Not one.  That's a huge problem.  

 

Davis is the biggest one, and even some of McBeane's most ardent supporters are ready to throw him overboard.  

 

The division is tightening up, all it's going to take for a barrage of criticism to befall McD & Beane is a 2nd place finish in the division, or getting booted from the playoffs again in the Wild Card or D rounds.  

 

I'd take a 9-8 finish with a wild-card berth and a Super Bowl win over 17-0 season and a Divisional round loss anytime.  

 

We seem to be overly focused on regular season performance regardless of playoff outcomes.  

 

 

5 hours ago, par73 said:

If the Bills want to maintain their standing in the league, they are going to have to start drafting really well. Far too many misses-- especially on the DL.

 

 

The playoff performances of our drafted DL players in particular is heavily problematic.  

 

 

[babulator]

Im not sure this stat means a whole lot for all reasons already listed. I think maybe it does show that Beane is not infallable. He has hits and misses. 

 

As for Shakir he deserved more time simply because McKenzie should never have been out there, ever... I digress.

 

I like Shakir and his potential and am rooting for him but hes a check down guy at this point. He has not shown any significant ability to get seperation yet. Sure he can sit in a soft zone as the 3rd checkdown, but I wonder how that would change if we had to rely on him as an every down slot guy. He'll be rotational again this year too.

 

Go Bills!

Edited March 26, 2023 by babulator

[SoCal Deek]

The goal is not to play rookies. The goal is to win football games. This statistical chart while interesting really is nothing more than a bunch of statistics.