The Super Bowl winning team just gave up 35 points in a Championship game.

[LABILLBACKER]

36 minutes ago, Beast said:

I am the biggest fan of Edmunds but how do you justify giving him a big contract? 
 

Let him and Poyer walk.

 

Get Allen some speed and protection and the Bills will be on stage at this time next season.

 

Enough said!

Love Po but age & injuries are starting to pile up.  I appreciate what Edmunds does and is kinda forced to do. Maybe under a different system he might generate more splash plays. We absolutely must rebuild the offense starting with the OL.  Singletary also likely gone. Who knows what's going to happen to Gabe & Ed?

[PromoTheRobot]

I thought the Bills had a high scoring offense?

[FireChans]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

I thought the Bills had a high scoring offense?

I don’t know if you heard, but we only scored 10 points vs the Bengals.

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

Again, I’m not the GM or scouts. Why does it matter who I think should replace Edmunds? Whoever it is I’m pretty sure we can handle not giving up 35 points in a Championship,game.

 

Tell me….who do you think we can bring in on offense to score 35 to 38 points in a game like we just witnessed? Or, does that not matter to you?

 

Well we scored the 3rd most points in the league behind KC and Philadelphia so we're right there with the top teams, I'm not as down on Gabe Davis as others and think he's fine as the #2 plus with TE Dawson Know and Diggs we have a solid trio at WR. If we didn't re-sign Edmunds I'd go after RT Mike McGlinchey (SF), I'd also draft in the 1st or 2nd round an OG, we'll also need to draft a ILB in the 1st 3 round of the draft as well because we will now lose a do everything ILB imo.

[Beast]

Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

Well we scored the 3rd most points in the league behind KC and Philadelphia so we're right there with the top teams, I'm not as down on Gabe Davis as others and think he's fine as the #2 plus with TE Dawson Know and Diggs we have a solid trio at WR. If we didn't re-sign Edmunds I'd go after RT Mike McGlinchey (SF), I'd also draft in the 1st or 2nd round an OG, we'll also need to draft a ILB in the 1st 3 round of the draft as well because we will now lose a do everything ILB imo.

We scored 10 points at home when it mattered the most.

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

Well we scored the 3rd most points in the league behind KC and Philadelphia so we're right there with the top teams, I'm not as down on Gabe Davis as others and think he's fine as the #2 plus with TE Dawson Know and Diggs we have a solid trio at WR. If we didn't re-sign Edmunds I'd go after RT Mike McGlinchey (SF), I'd also draft in the 1st or 2nd round an OG, we'll also need to draft a ILB in the 1st 3 round of the draft as well because we will now lose a do everything ILB imo.

Spoiler alert…Davis is not “fine” as the number 2. Not even close. Very limited skill set and elite tree. We can upgrade there for sure. 

[MJS]

36 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Well the team that lost scored 35…so if they could actually make a few stops they win. You can look at it like, 35 should be enough. But you had no defense when it mattered. Hold them to 34 and you win…works both ways

The Eagles have a good defense, though. They led the league in sacks and got zero in the superbowl.

 

I think the Bills will win more in the playoffs if they can dial in their offense more, even if the defense is worse.

[DCOrange]

35 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Patriots gave up 33 and lost. 

 

It happens. 

 

I can't believe how bad the Eagles D was.

This is how the Eagles defense looked pretty much every time they faced a good QB this year.

[pigpen65]

Dorsey gotta go. He's so far out of his league next to the leagues elite its not even funny

 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I can just envision it now we wiill let Edmunds walk and resign Saffold for 8 million a year. 🤮 Beane sums up Safford  as not quite the year he wanted but look to rebound. 
 

*this is not meant to be serious* but you never know..

Edited February 13, 2023 by loveorhatembillsfan4life

[gobills404]

I’ve also been one of Edmunds biggest defenders on here for years and I agree. LB is one of the least important position groups in todays NFL and there’s no way to justify spending $25M+ per year on it. Hope he gets a huge payday and continues to ball out, just not in Buffalo.

Edited February 13, 2023 by gobills404

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

If our d is top 8-12, then that should be good enough if we get Allen a brick wall and another elite weapon. No reason whatsoever to draft defense except for maybe on day 3. 

 

 

 

Agreed.

 

Does it really matter where they rank in the regular season? We have seen them get smoked 3 years straight. They just have to accept you are going to have to score 30+ and put the money on offense and fill in well enough on D.

 

San Fran's D even got smoked(big assist to no QB and no offense) and they were probably the closest thing to a dominating D in the NFL this year. It just doesn't matter anymore. Good offensive teams are going to score their points, the rules are tilted too far to their side now.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Big Turk

[TheFunPolice]

IMO there is a lot of bad QB play aside from a handful of stars.

 

That allows defenses to get fat in the regular season but once the playoffs start they face top QBs and it's different.

[Big Turk]

22 minutes ago, pigpen65 said:

Dorsey gotta go. He's so far out of his league next to the leagues elite its not even funny

 

 

Why do you assume a first year OC will not improve at all? The same way a rookie QB takes a huge leap between year one and two, I would expect him to do the same. 

 

Anyone who does something for the first time is going to be able to improve a lot at it, in any profession, over time.

 

We just have to hope his ceiling is as high as Allen's 

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

IMO there is a lot of bad QB play aside from a handful of stars.

 

That allows defenses to get fat in the regular season but once the playoffs start they face top QBs and it's different.

 

Agree...rules are tilted way too far in the offenses favor now for D to mean much against elite QBs, unless the DLine dominates up front like in the KC SB against TB.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Big Turk

[Billsfanatic8989]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

The eagles have a good defensive line. Maybe the chiefs oline was just really good?

Eagles pass D was bad.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

33 minutes ago, MJS said:

The Eagles have a good defense, though. They led the league in sacks and got zero in the superbowl.

 

I think the Bills will win more in the playoffs if they can dial in their offense more, even if the defense is worse.

The Eagles defense had really good stats. They played 0 good QBs all season. That matters.

[Mr. WEO]

Has 1 Bills player ever been the topic of more threads than Edmunds?

[HappyDays]

I generally agree but the Chiefs defense was actually a problem for them for most of the season. They snuck out a lot of wins by the skin of their teeth often because of luck. Tonight was no different. A false start and then a flukey fumble returned for a TD plus a big punt return led to 14 points. If not for those plays the Chiefs lose by two scores IMO.

 

The Eagles defense got confused multiple times tonight which left KC pass catchers high school wide open at times. That doesn't mean defense doesn't matter, it was just a bad night for them. I think their defense is a lot like ours, they play vanilla most of the time which is good enough to collect gaudy stats against bad teams, but then the good QBs and offenses exploit it easily. Maybe we should have paid more attention when they gave up 40 points to the Cowboys.

 

I would let Edmunds walk for the reasons you stated. We have to transfer some of our resources from defense to offense, and a good but not elite LB is a great place to start. Hopefully we head into the playoffs next year much healthier on defense because I think the defensive line we started the year with could be a force. White will be one more season removed from his injury and Elam will have more experience. Defense still matters but we don't have to invest anything new into the defense to take it to another level. Just mix up the scheme and trust that the players we have will be good enough to get it done.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, whorlnut said:

The eagles have a good defensive line. Maybe the chiefs oline was just really good?

 

The Chiefs oline was freaking awesome. They played a great game. That was the key battle to me and KC won.

[Beast]

3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

IMO there is a lot of bad QB play aside from a handful of stars.

 

That allows defenses to get fat in the regular season but once the playoffs start they face top QBs and it's different.

Again, the Bills put up 10 at home on the Bengals.

[Jeffbigalls]

4 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Patriots gave up 33 and lost. 

 

It happens. 

 

I can't believe how bad the Eagles D was.

Pats gave up 41

[TAinLack.]

6 hours ago, NoSaint said:

he’s one of the toughest calls. The modern league is essentially build an offense and a pass rush and then be opportunistic on the back end.

 

edmunds does a lot well but he’s not ending many drives with turnovers, sacks, or broken up passes. He doesn’t set an emotional tenor for those around him. He seems fine at getting the defender set but never hear exceptional stories of hot reads and audibles. At some point you can’t pay guys simply for being very good at ILB on a mature roster. He’s got to be the identity not the role player. I have a hard time seeing him cross that threshold.

Edmunts has great physicak skills, he's big, fast and strong., unfortunately he has poor football instincts..., or is it  Frazier's scheme, or is it both?!

[TAinLack.]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

This is just a hot take.
 

What happened the last time the Chiefs were in the SB?  Bucs D held them to 9 points and smashed them.  
 

You can’t make wild declarations off one game and say that is the best way.  Pats record breaking undefeated offense scored 19 points and lost to Giants.  Broncos broke all offensive records shortly after and got smashed by Seahawks 42-8 in the Super Bowl. 
 

3 of the top 5 offenses all time lost bad in the Super Bowl and averaged 13 points per game.  
 

That being said…FRAZIER is so weak, that I agree, save the money and spend it all on offense.  Not because of this Super Bowl, but because it doesn’t matter how good the defense is, Frazier is gonna lay down in the playoffs regardless.  So spend all our money on the OL and weapons for Josh.
 

 

Spot on Alphadawg7!

[ProcessTruster]

7 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

The defense will take a noticeable step back, but is it smart to have two $100M contracts on defense? 
 

Resigning Edmunds will take virtually of the available cap dollars.

 

 

should be interesting.  Edmunds will be average in a traditional 4-3 as the offense will run straight at him.  

[John from Riverside]

7 hours ago, whorlnut said:

If our d is top 8-12, then that should be good enough if we get Allen a brick wall and another elite weapon. No reason whatsoever to draft defense except for maybe on day 3. 

You take best player available in some of these pics definitely not with the first pic though

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

Who is going to be our ILB since you're letting him walk? I'm not saying I disagree with you I just want to hear your realistic replacement? Who are you getting to protect Allen also?

Don't care, it's inconsequential 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Recency bias. Whatever just worked is what you were supposed to do.

Another 'multiple awards' post!

🏆🍺🤣👍🏽

*
As for the overall theme of the thread, your OC needs a better plan than 'Go Long!'.

[Drew21PA]

8 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Patriots gave up 33 and lost. 

 

It happens. 

 

I can't believe how bad the Eagles D was.

For starters no one really knew

 

they weee the luckiest team schedule wise

 

playinf the luckiest team in the history of the nfl 

 

 

[colin]

the philly d folded hard when it needed a stop, i think that's the way to see how they didn't help win the game.

 

also, philly lost because of RB runs up the gut.  having oliver getting skated and edmunds 15 yards back won't do anything about that, and if we keep edmunds at like 18mm a year or whatever, that's nearly 30mm of cap in those two guys and keep in mind oliver rides the bench about half the time anyhow.  

 

given allen another nfl WR and top 10 (not top 3 like the two teams today) blocking and he puts up 40 in any prime time game.

[DCbillsfan]

8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

This is just a hot take.
 

What happened the last time the Chiefs were in the SB?  Bucs D held them to 9 points and smashed them.  
 

Look what the Chiefs did after this game.  They traded for LT Orlando Brown Jr, signed LG Joe Thuney, drafted C Creed Humphrey and RG Trey Smith.  They totally overhauled their Oline.  Bills need to redo their oline but probably won't.

[Airseven]

8 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

Patriots gave up 33 and lost. 

 

It happens. 

 

I can't believe how bad the Eagles D was.

KC has a dominant offense and executed their best when it mattered most. Eagles D got beat by an elite QB, top OL, and an array of weapons. Time to give credit.

[DCbillsfan]

8 minutes ago, Airseven said:

KC has a dominant offense and executed their best when it mattered most. Eagles D got beat by an elite QB, top OL, and an array of weapons. Time to give credit.

All true.  Andy Reid is better than McD in coaching and better than Beane in drafting.  

[Gregg]

Have to credit Steve Spagnuolo as well. The Chiefs gave up 35 points and his defense was getting ripped apart in the 1st half. But he made some nice halftime adjustments and their defense got key stops and held them to 11 points in the second half. Quite impressive especially since the Eagles had the ball for almost the entire 1st half. Also, the Chiefs OL with a bigtime performance. I hope Beane took notice of that and remembers it when the draft and FA get here.

[Bill from NYC]

8 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Did you also notice that Mahomes passed for only 182 yards but KC ran for 158?  Does that mean teams don't need a big passing game to win a Super Bowl? What kind of "strict offense" do you run?

You raise a great point Promo but the NFL really is a QB driven league. I honestly believe that if Josh Allen was the QB of the Eagles, they would be so good that it's hard for me to visualize them ever losing a game. 

I am fan of Hurts. There are many wonderful things to say about the man. He is a good passer, a great runner, and NEVER loses his cool. That said, I wouldn't place him in that elite class, at least not yet. He has the best roster in the NFL (imo) and still fell just a tad short to a HOF QB (and a HOF TE). 

 

Call me crazy but I think that Josh is as great as Mahomes, or at least VERY VERY close. To not surround him with great weapons and much more blocking is criminal. How much were we thinking about cornerbacks last night? The Chiefs would have crushed our defense which despite McDermott's love, isn't nearly as good as the Philly defense. Not even close.

 

In any event, the OP is correct.  I too long for the days of the Steel Curtain, etc. but until I see differntly; those days are gone. Again, we absolutely MUST get Josh more protection and weapons. There is no rational alternative.

 

As always, jmo.

[racketmaster]

I’m not optimistic that the mentality will change and even if they do will Beane actually hit on his top draft picks. The second round has been particularly painful with us getting very little out of those selections.
 

Also, the degree of importance placed in special teams is maddening with us keeping spots for players like Taiwan Jones year after year instead of using the last few spots to keep and develop young players that can step in and play when they are needed. Most kicks aren’t even returned and with as much emphasis as McDermott puts on special teams I don’t see it giving us any real advantage. 
 

I too like Edmunds but have a bad feeling they will do whatever they can to get him under contract as he is thought to be a core player. His playing style and position does not justify a large contract as this league is all about sacks, turnovers and creating and not getting called for penalties. It is the only way to get off the field against good offenses. 
 

Diggs is a really good wr, comparable to a Marvin Harrison. He is our biggest threat outside of Josh but it is a result of his superior route running and body control. He is not a game breaker in the sense u can just throw him a wr screen and he will make guys miss or take it to the house like a Chase or Hill. He’s also not a jump ball guy u can just throw up a pass to and he will elevate and moss his opponents. So more weapons are needed, especially when McDermott is going against the best offensive minds in the game. His defensive prowess is borderline useless in big games against the top qbs as they often turn into shootouts. Without Daboll, we aren’t outwitting the other teams like the Bengals and Chiefs so more talent on that side of the ball is needed.
 

Bills have had a steady incline on raising the talent level since McDermott and Beane arrived and this is the first year I anticipate a decline based on our cap situation and some aging vets. A superior draft is needed and yet McDermott has seemed reluctant to lean on rookies. Idk, there are a lot of holes and AFC is much stronger than NFC at this time so it will be a monumental feat to get this team to SB next year. 

Edited February 13, 2023 by racketmaster

[DeltaDigital]

9 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Paying Edmunds a sizable contract is stupid.  He doesn't even come close to putting this team over the top.  

Legit, when he's out a game or two, the linebacking actually improves, at the very least he's not missed. Unlike Milano, Who is HIM. 

[Process]

Eagles one of the best pass rushing teams in NFL history. 0 sacks. 38 points.

 

49ers best defense in the NFL. 31 points.

 

Last year. Pats second best defense in the league. Blown the hell up by the Bills. 

 

Last year. Bills defense best in the league. Shredded by the chiefs. 

 

In today's NFL, come playoff time an elite offense will beat an elite defense almost every time. 

 

Defense does not matter. 

[34-78-83]

Against great Qb's and/or offenses, you are correct... Defense does not matter like it used to.

 

It still helps get you to 12/13/14 wins in the regular season however.

[NewEra]

I’m sure you could’ve written the same post the previous 4 seasons…. When the losing team didn’t score over 20 in any of the 4 games.  
 

defense matters.  Offense matters.  STs matter. 
 

this post is so stupid.  
 

yes, we need to put more focus on the offensive side of the ball as we haven’t invested enough into if.  Just say that.  Saying that defense doesn’t matter is just about THE DUMBEST thing someone could say.  

[dorquemada]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’m sure you could’ve written the same post the previous 4 seasons…. When the losing team didn’t score over 20 in any of the 4 games.  
 

defense matters.  Offense matters.  STs matter. 
 

this post is so stupid.  
 

yes, we need to put more focus on the offensive side of the ball as we haven’t invested enough into if.  Just say that.  Saying that defense doesn’t matter is just about THE DUMBEST thing someone could say.  

 

The point is with the rule changes to protect QBs and let WRs get away with murder, even the 85 bears would have gotten 38 dropped on them last night.  The only chance is to be ultra efficient on O.  Marginal additional investment in D will not pay off.