Merry Xmas: Dolphin fans melting down in their forums and turning on Tua

[AlfaBill]

30 minutes ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

Hey. Argentina are world champions!

Yes they atre good bless them. I meant the country as a power. There was the silver rush in the 40’s that drove lots of Europeans over there. 

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

We should be careful.  The Fish ii feel are a loaded roster and well coached.  I’m watching Baker Mayfield beat up on the Broncos on another well coached team.  
 

Tua could easily be replaced and Miami is instantly a very good team.

Yes but replaced with who? What QB? Lamar? He’s not a threat at all to the Bills. JimmyG? Even less so. Baker? Cmon man!

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

So we're now 4 games ahead over the course of 15 games and the Fins have a negative point differential for the season.  Is the division still a toss up for years to come?  

It was all a mirage based on scheduling…the nfl knew what they were doin with those afc east schedules.  Give the bills all away division games before any home ones then Miami a cupcake schedule midseason 

[JGMcD2]

12 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

So we're now 4 games ahead over the course of 15 games and the Fins have a negative point differential for the season.  Is the division still a toss up for years to come?  

Yes, because something about salary cap, draft picks, Josh Allen, McBeane sucks… 

 

Just ask @FilthyBeastand he’ll explain it. 

[GoBills808]

7 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Yes they atre good bless them. I meant the country as a power. There was the silver rush in the 40’s that drove lots of Europeans over there. 

 

I can think of another reason for Europeans ending up in Argentina during the 1940s tbh

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

1 hour ago, Cray51 said:

Thing with Miami, they also had the leverage of a brand new offensively minded  head coach and new weapons.  I’m not surprised that as the year has gone on, teams are keying in on their offense.  Let them run, maybe you give up a big play, but that team struggles to OWN the time of possession and paper cut teams to victory.

 

I predicted 10-7 for Miami at the beginning of the year, looking like I was right on the money

I agree.

 

They definitely had some new coach sheen. And credit to him, McDaniel saw what he could get out of Tua and picked up two great offensive weapons to make him lethal.

 

But they've come to rely on it so much that when the Bills were sticking with a Cover 2 shell and Mostert was pounding the ball on us that McDaniel can't help but get cute.

 

Add in December weather and a formula on how to win appears

58 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

I just saw on Twitter someone showing a hit he took in the first half where his head banged off the turf. So the claim is a concussion. Actually looking at the replay in slow mo it wouldn't surprise me

 

It's an interesting thought. Concussions do build up over time (see Ray, Rob and LaFontaine, Pat)

 

I am not rooting for Tua to have life altering medical trauma. But if he really got brained it is yet another indictment on the Dolphins staff. 

[BlazinBill]

I mean I get the melting down - the play over the last month has been dismal to say the least and just the exact opposite of the first part of the year against bad teams.

But they honestly are not eliminated and still have a punchers chance to get the 7 seed- multiple teams are fighting for that last spot and their schedule might be the most favorable for them to squeak in

[Beast]

2 hours ago, Airseven said:

Tua was never better than Allen just like Allen was never better than Mahomes. And yeah, that Dolphins sheen is gone.

Like I said, we need the clown emoji.

[Matt_In_NH]

That forum is internet gold.   There are a lot of fans and many are just emotionally immature.  The range of emotions is the most I have ever seen and that is saying something  having been on the BBMB!   Going into the San Fran game they were laughing at people picking the niners talking about they don’t know the dolphins offsence or Tua .   
 

If someone can find the post game thread from week three that would be fun to re read now.   

[thenorthremembers]

Dolphins' fans are convinced they are going to win out and beat the Bills in the 1st round of the playoffs.

 

That means they think they'll win out the Bills will lose to Cincinnati and then they will come here and beat the Bills.  They seem to think the Bills are scared of them.

[1ManRaid]

3 hours ago, Steptide said:

It just goes to show a team can't live off the big play. If they wanna be successful long term, they have to be able to throw to other receivers other than Waddle and hill

 

I saw Miami fans on Twitter saying (with apparently straight faces) "You have Diggs to throw to, and yet you choose to throw to McKenzie?"  Well...

1- McKenzie torching them for 3 TDs to knock them from playoff contention isn't ancient history.

2- As long as they continue to think Diggs is our only threat and double him leaving others open, yeah we're going to throw to those others like McKenzie.

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Dolphins' fans are convinced they are going to win out and beat the Bills in the 1st round of the playoffs.

 

That means they think they'll win out the Bills will lose to Cincinnati and then they will come here and beat the Bills.  They seem to think the Bills are scared of them.

 

I guess they weren't paying attention when we went through the exact same situation with the Pats and their cocky fans last year.

[Beast]

[Ray Stonada]

9 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

I saw Miami fans on Twitter saying (with apparently straight faces) "You have Diggs to throw to, and yet you choose to throw to McKenzie?"

I think this is a fair point, actually.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

4 hours ago, Steptide said:

It just goes to show a team can't live off the big play. If they wanna be successful long term, they have to be able to throw to other receivers other than Waddle and hill

 

They need their QB to be able to make throws beyond his second read which apparently Tua cannot. 

[AlfaBill]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I can think of another reason for Europeans ending up in Argentina during the 1940s tbh

Za Germans?

[Playoffs?]

Pure gold from our Fins friends:

 

”A lot of us knew deep down that Tiny Tua wasn't the answer and that we were barking up the wrong tree with this nerd at HC. We all wanted to believe, but we all kinda knew. Few of us said it out loud to this point because it is so hard knowing you're starting fresh with a new coach and yet still going in the wrong direction.

Now we are faced with the same familiar harsh reality us Phins fans are used to this time of year. Even a Christmas Story doesn't get as played this time of year as Dolphins fans do. We are stuck with Tiny Tua and this nerd who should still be a jock sniffing ball boy somewhere.”

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Fans are just all over the place.

 

Yes to some degree you’re right Dolphins fans.

 

Your franchise messed up when they took Tua over Herbert. That was apparent in Herbert’s first start, when he immediately threw for 300-yards.

 

But … all this he’s a poor man Kirk Cousins, he’s a backup, he can’t win. That’s premature and shot gunny. 
 

Start cutting this guy and trading for that guy and go out and get this person, just erratic. Tank now to get this guy.

 

You haven’t paid Tua, so see if the team can be built up, and if not, draft another QB. 
 

The whole mid-tier of the Playoff teams have similar guys:

 

Kirk

Dak

Tannehill/Titans

Daniel Jones

Lamar Jackson

 

All guys with questions on how far they can take you in the Playoffs. 

 

 

 

 

[Mojo44]

4 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

Pure gold from our Fins friends:

 

”A lot of us knew deep down that Tiny Tua wasn't the answer and that we were barking up the wrong tree with this nerd at HC. We all wanted to believe, but we all kinda knew. Few of us said it out loud to this point because it is so hard knowing you're starting fresh with a new coach and yet still going in the wrong direction.

Now we are faced with the same familiar harsh reality us Phins fans are used to this time of year. Even a Christmas Story doesn't get as played this time of year as Dolphins fans do. We are stuck with Tiny Tua and this nerd who should still be a jock sniffing ball boy somewhere.”

Quite poetic…..and true.

[Playoffs?]

Just now, Mojo44 said:

Quite poetic…..and true.

Yep. Nice to see rational thought prevail. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

The odor of their despair and desperation is like sweet sweet perfume 

[Andy1]

I think the fins losing streak shows that you have to be able to win in more than just one way in the NFL. Defensive coordinators will figure you out. This applies to quarterbacks as well as team offensive strategy. Every week is a test and if the QB and offense fail and lose, the next team will copy the approach. So you are forced to play a different way to win. This is what the Bills have been going through with their gauntlet of a schedule and they have mostly passed the tests. Miami is proving to be a one trick pony of sorts with Tua, Hill and Waddle. 

[Ralonzo]

4 hours ago, Beast said:

Tua passing out INT’s like he’s Santa giving out Christmas presents. Ho Ho Ho…three in a row!

 

Ho Ho Ho…where did he throw?

Ho Ho Ho…three in a row!

Drops in the pocket, throws it quick

In the fourth quarter it's pick pick pick!

 

[Richard Noggin]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I can think of another reason for Europeans ending up in Argentina during the 1940s tbh

 

Mere coincidence that so many came from Germany and Italy! Nothing to see here.

 

Tua cannot drive the ball with velocity. And he's small. And maybe inaccurate when forced to go through progressions. And possibly just not built for the violence of NFL football.

 

(We cannot ignore his determination, and his accuracy when throwing to his first read within 2.5 seconds.)

Edited December 26, 2022 by Richard Noggin

[Cheektowaga Chad]

McDaniel started hot and is finishing cold

 

Flores always started cold but finished hot

 

Kind of funny 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

I wanted them to bench allen after the Jets game, but not because I thought he deserved to be benched for his play, but because I felt the rest of the offense needed to figure crap out and Allen was going to go into hero mode if they didn't and get himself long term hurt.

 

I wasn't turning on anyone, I had confidence they'd figure it out, just please stop putting the key piece of the next 10 years (hopefully) in positions where he is taking on waaaay too much responsibility.

Way to alienate your 100 million $ quarterback. 

[RunTheBall]

I’ve read that if Jets lose to Seattle and we beat the Pats* then the Fish are in. If that’s true, it’s a very plausible scenario.

 

As for Miami, they’ve got 3 elite guys in Hill, Waddle, and Armstead. They’ve got a very good DT in Wilkins even though he’s a douche, and a solid DE in Phillips. That’s it. 

 

Their offense has been figured out. Cover deep, clog the middle and don’t let Hill/Waddle take over. Force Tua off his first read by pressure or taking it away. That’s it. Their D is trash, DBs over-rated, LBs are meh.

[Rico]

4 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Thing with Miami, they also had the leverage of a brand new offensively minded  head coach and new weapons.  I’m not surprised that as the year has gone on, teams are keying in on their offense.  Let them run, maybe you give up a big play, but that team struggles to OWN the time of possession and paper cut teams to victory.

 

I predicted 10-7 for Miami at the beginning of the year, looking like I was right on the money

I think they finish 8-9.

[Big Turk]

37 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

McDaniel started hot and is finishing cold

 

Flores always started cold but finished hot

 

Kind of funny 

 

Flores finished hot until the game mattered...like their last game of the season when Allen only played a half and we still crushed them 56-26 with a win and in scenario for the Fins and us having nothing to really play for.

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, AlfaBill said:

Za Germans?

Word had it that Eva Peron made a great sausage schnitzel.

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, RunTheBall said:

I’ve read that if Jets lose to Seattle and we beat the Pats* then the Fish are in. If that’s true, it’s a very plausible scenario.

 

As for Miami, they’ve got 3 elite guys in Hill, Waddle, and Armstead. They’ve got a very good DT in Wilkins even though he’s a douche, and a solid DE in Phillips. That’s it. 

 

Their offense has been figured out. Cover deep, clog the middle and don’t let Hill/Waddle take over. Force Tua off his first read by pressure or taking it away. That’s it. Their D is trash, DBs over-rated, LBs are meh.

This can’t be true because the Steelers can still get to nine wins. 

[BigAl2526]

7 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

He’s Jared Goff.  Neither are good athletes and when they’re forced to move at all off their drop-back they’re terrible.  

As with all QBs, the more time opposing defensive coordinators have to study them, the more clearly their weaknesses can be defined.  The less complete a QB is, the easier it is for defensive coordinators to identify and attack his weaknesses.  In the meantime, young QBs are working to shore up the weak parts of their game, but QBs with obvious physical deficiencies have more limits on things they can improve.  Tua is on the small side, hot terribly mobile and doesn't have a super strong arm.  He's smart and generally makes quick reads, but he's got enough weaknesses that teams are always going to be able to exploit them to some extent.

[sven233]

Full disclosure......I was not a fan of him coming out of college.  I thought he was physically limited and was successful because of the talent around him.

 

Fast forward to the NFL at this time, I think that largely remains the case, but he has had more success than I thought he would.  He does throw a pretty accurate ball when throwing in between the hashes.  He's made some really nice throws over the middle of the field.  But the fact is, he is very limited when having to throw outside the numbers and I think teams have kind of figured this out.  If you clog up the middle of the field and force him to throw outside, you will force him into mistakes because he just can't make a lot of those throws.

 

Miami did a great job of designing an offense that played to his strengths.  They use speed to create mismatches and the timing of their offense to get the ball out quickly on a bunch of layered crossers has worked well for them.  And, if you can't find a way to cover those WRs over the middle of the field, they will make you pay.  If you can take away those quick throws, you can slow them down fairly easily because Tua is still limited.  The Dolphins are kind of stuck here.  He's good enough to win with if your scheme works.  The second you force him out of his comfort zone, though, he will turn the ball over at times.  I am sure he will get another look next season, especially if they do get into the Playoffs.  And honestly, if he gets hot and you can't clog the middle of the field, they can score on any given play.  Hopefully, if they stick with him like I am sure they will, our defensive coaching staff can do what they need to do to take away the middle of the field.

[3rdnlng]

9 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I’ve read that if Jets lose to Seattle and we beat the Pats* then the Fish are in. If that’s true, it’s a very plausible scenario.

 

As for Miami, they’ve got 3 elite guys in Hill, Waddle, and Armstead. They’ve got a very good DT in Wilkins even though he’s a douche, and a solid DE in Phillips. That’s it. 

 

Their offense has been figured out. Cover deep, clog the middle and don’t let Hill/Waddle take over. Force Tua off his first read by pressure or taking it away. That’s it. Their D is trash, DBs over-rated, LBs are meh.

You make some very good points. Tua is not a QB who can pretty much do everything a franchise QB should be able to do. He throws a nice ball over the middle on his first read. When he needs to go through a procession of reads it appears that he isn't as committed to those 2nd or 3rd throws. His arm is not strong enough to consistently throw the outs without chancing interceptions. Of course he can get away with those throws if his opponent isn't expecting them on a consistent basis but the book on him has evolved to the point that defenses are able to focus on less than the full field. It seems to me that Miami management recognized Tua's deficiencies and went out and got Hill to team up with Waddle. There's no doubt that they are both elite wide receivers but their value is diminished somewhat because Tua can't exploit the whole field. Tua has great statistics and the Miami fanbase had been giving him credit for the work of his receivers when his stats included 60 yard passes that were 12 yards in the air with 48 YAC. Those two WR's can be frightening but good defenses like the Dolphins have been seeing lately while not shutting them down, can absorb their good statistics. Anyway, Tua has talent but it is limited enough that defenses can exploit the areas in which he has issues. Miami has attempted to cover for Tua and while they may have added to their team's effectiveness somewhat they still have a QB who is not complete and one who allows good defenses to limit their scoring ability.

 

It seems like every game I watch on TV the announcers point out some OC or DC who will be in great demand for a head coaching vacancy in the following year. While leadership qualities are a good thing for coordinators to have, their game planning and play calling is what makes the announcers fall in love with them. Most NFL management teams understand though that leadership is the most important quality for a head coach to possess. Also important are such features as attention to detail, game management, etc. My point is about Miami's head coach. He's considered a player's coach but by all reports he gets that label because he acts like a buddy to the players on his team. Being a player's coach is fine but that doesn't preclude a coach from the necessity of making the hard decisions that include honest and straightforward communication with his players and coaches. The fiasco over Tua's "back injury" or "ankle injury" that had all the markings of a concussion and then the decision was made to allow him to reenter the game with the Bills and then start the next game was a breach of faith with not only Tua but every one of his present and future players. Some people claim that the decision regarding Tua's playing status was not the coach's but the doctors. Simply put, the head coach should have seen what everyone else watching that game saw and benched Tua. It's the kind of decision that a "player's coach" makes. Miami's management has been reported to have committed numerous instances of actions contrary to NFL rules and common decency. Their reputation is such that even if the allegations are somehow baseless they seem credible due to the general perception of the team as a whole. 

 

Also, from where I sit it appears that Miami has mortgaged their future and taken shortcuts to possibly put them in championship contention. While I guess that outcome is technically feasible their present record and recent actions seem more likely to insure that they remain a middle of the pack team for years to come. 

[GunnerBill]

8 hours ago, DJB said:

Removed the word “franchise” in front of QB

 

Thanks! Wasn't aware that word was there... that was the Xmas booze. Yea I didn't mean franchise. I meant starter. Somewhere between franchise guy and replacement level. Goff, Tua, Mayfield...

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

4 hours ago, RunTheBall said:

I’ve read that if Jets lose to Seattle and we beat the Pats* then the Fish are in. If that’s true, it’s a very plausible scenario.

 

As for Miami, they’ve got 3 elite guys in Hill, Waddle, and Armstead. They’ve got a very good DT in Wilkins even though he’s a douche, and a solid DE in Phillips. That’s it. 

 

Their offense has been figured out. Cover deep, clog the middle and don’t let Hill/Waddle take over. Force Tua off his first read by pressure or taking it away. That’s it. Their D is trash, DBs over-rated, LBs are meh.

Pats get in if it’s a 3 way tie between Miami,NYJ,NE  at 8-9 and pit doesn’t win out which is also somewhat plausible.  NE and NYJ both control their own destiny it looks like…if they win out either one can get in.  Miami making the playoffs is far from a sure thing.  There’s also a decent chance buffalo has nothing to play for week 18 depending on the scheduling of the games and how we do vs cincy 
 

Seattle isn’t very good and that jets defense is gonna give tua trouble so ya never know 

Edited December 26, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Rico said:

I think they finish 8-9.

 

I think they beat the Pats so that gets them to 9 wins... but I think the Jets beat Seattle (who are playing on fumes at this point) which means because of the H2H the week 18 game between Miami and the Jets is for all the marbles. 

[Tim Tindale]

10 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

In what world is Tua better than Allen and Herbert? 😂

 

I mean come on… the guy hasn’t done anything in this league yet. He had a chance to make the playoffs a few years back and choked… he has another chance and so far has choked. 

To be fair (to Tua), Herbert hasn’t made the playoffs yet either.  Herbert has a career record of 23-23.  
 

incidentally, Josh is now at 51-25. I think it’s notable that Herbert has to win 28 of his next 30 games to match Allen’s start.  

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, Andy1 said:

I think the fins losing streak shows that you have to be able to win in more than just one way in the NFL. Defensive coordinators will figure you out. This applies to quarterbacks as well as team offensive strategy. Every week is a test and if the QB and offense fail and lose, the next team will copy the approach. So you are forced to play a different way to win. This is what the Bills have been going through with their gauntlet of a schedule and they have mostly passed the tests. Miami is proving to be a one trick pony of sorts with Tua, Hill and Waddle. 

 

The Bills coaching staff have been very good at changing the offenses and defenses between games although they have not pulled a Wade Phillips change where he changes base defense formation between games.

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Tim Tindale said:

To be fair (to Tua), Herbert hasn’t made the playoffs yet either.  Herbert has a career record of 23-23.  
 

incidentally, Josh is now at 51-25. I think it’s notable that Herbert has to win 28 of his next 30 games to match Allen’s start.  

 

And I think it is an example of why a top end QB is the most important piece but they are not the only piece. Our coaching way outstrips LAC's. And while they have had some injuries to key guys they have a lot of talent - Ekler, Allen, Slater, Linsley, Bosa, James... they are all top tier at their position.

[JerseyBills]

Tua Turndaballova!! Merry Christmas 

 

 

[Freddie's Dead]

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