Sit benford and jackson...

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

Might be a hot take, but we should’ve resigned Levi Wallace. He’s not the fastest, but he’s superior in coverage to Jackson, Benford and Lewis.

That 4M spent on wallace would’ve been better used on Jerry Hughes 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

It needs to be White and Elam the rest of the way. Why did White come out after the first drive? Was he not ok?

 

That is my suspicion. I think he asked to come out. Others think that was always the plan. 

 

I sincerely hope I am wrong but I think there is a mental block with Tre atm. 

 

We need more Elam for sure.

[Putin]

When your DL can’t get any pressure and QB has all the time in the world it’s hard for any DB  to stick with a WR for more then 5 seconds 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

When your DL can’t get any pressure and QB has all the time in the world it’s hard for any DB  to stick with a WR for more then 5 seconds 

Kind of goes both ways…qbs are also getting the ball out quick against us cuz their 1st/2nd reads are wide open out of their break 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[machine gun kelly]

4 hours ago, Whkfc said:

White played what 1 series?

Two.  Makes sense to let him get comfortable.  You’ll see him on a pitch count next Thursday as well.  That’s my WAG.

 

We need him a full go for the Fish and the Bungals.  The other games I’m cool with him on a 50-60% so he gets his sea legs.

 

Then I want his butt for every play of the playoffs.  I’m not scared of the Cheats, Jets, or Bears.  If Edmunds gets healthy, we need him Klein and Milano for the Cheats, jets and Bears.  Shut their freakin run game down.  Mac, whoever is backing up Wilson, and Fields is going to beat us in the air.

[Donuts and Doritos]

Jackson is awful & has been awful for several weeks. McD makes 0 adjustments & stubbornly insists on playing him (bc Tre's hurt & the other 2 are rookies). But the lions targeted Dane today successfully. NE is going to go after him every play. It's similar to how McD reacted to Nathan Peterman. McD should get asked some tough questions this week. (Doubt he will).

 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Virgil said:

What did Benford do wrong?

Missed tackles....

[machine gun kelly]

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Missed tackles....

Benford is not necessarily the problem as Jaquan, and Hamlin have started with a flash, but really regressed.  Having Poyer really helps, but a healthy Tre, Hyde, Poyer and Taron makes that unto so instinctive and shut down.  Wallace was the weak point, so we’ve been spoiled having those four all playing.  We’ll get Hyde back next year,  it these gaps on Poyer should show how they have to find $ for him.

 

For all those crapping on Edmunds, now you see what it’s like against the pass without him.  He’s not Ray Lewis and that’s ok.  That’s another off season challenge for Beane.

 

Add all that up and I hate to think of this offense without Motor, but that will be a tough one, not to mention we need Oliver long term.

[LABILLBACKER]

18 minutes ago, Putin said:

When your DL can’t get any pressure and QB has all the time in the world it’s hard for any DB  to stick with a WR for more then 5 seconds 

So true. The whole plan revolved around Von & Groot staying healthy. That didn't happen.  AJE & Basham were to contribute as rotational pass rushers. That didn't happen. Too many mid tier qbs look better than they should because of our inconsistent pass rush. This all trickles down on our rookie/backup DB's.

[KDIGGZ]

Dane Jackson gave more hugs to receivers today than my aunt at Thanksgiving. Someone tell Dane the goal is to try and stop them from catching the ball, not hanging 10 yards back and then hugging them once they catch it

[RiotAct]

1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

Dane Jackson gave more hugs to receivers today than my aunt at Thanksgiving. Someone tell Dane the goal is to try and stop them from catching the ball, not hanging 10 yards back and then hugging them once they catch it

our secondary’s ball awareness has been abysmal for several weeks now.

[sven233]

Dane Jackson was atrocious today and has been much of this season.  Benford absolutely benefited from Jackson being on the field with him because having Jackson be so bad that he was targeted on just about every throw, Benford wasn't picked on as much.  But from what I saw during the game, he actually wasn't much better.  He was getting beat consistently as well and would have been lit up himself several times had Jackson not been absolute trash on the other side of the field. 

 

Tre and Elam are the best CB options on this team and it isn't even close.  Once healthy, those guys should be playing every snap.  Rhodes is actually better than both Benford and Jackson but can't see the field because they don't want to waive either of the other guys to make room for him on the roster.  It's a tough situation because Rhodes should be playing until White and Elam are healthy and can handle a full workload.  Just can't get him up on the roster.

 

Anyway, if we can get White and Elam back to 100%, get Edmunds back on the field ASAP (he has been sorely missed much to the dismay of many on this board), get Groot back, and pray that Miller is able to return soon, this defense will improve.  These aren't bit players we're missing.  They are impact starters and will improve this defense immediately when they get back on the field at 100%.  This isn't even including Hyde who's out for the year (most likely).  Injuries have been an absolute killer this year on both sides of the ball.  Never seen anything like it.  Guys just dropping like flies.

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Jackson has been absolutely putrid this past month.

Romo said he’s gonna be a superstar!

[Watkins90]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

He did have trouble but he didn't get much help either. 

Hamlin is the real issue, to be honest. I can't tell you the number of times they would say a guy was doubled and Hamlin was extremely late getting to where he needed to be, which you aren't doubled if your their late so the receiver wasn't really doubled. 

[Putin]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Romo said he’s gonna be a superstar!

I normally agree with Romo but I have no idea what he was thinking when he said that 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is my suspicion. I think he asked to come out. Others think that was always the plan. 

 

I sincerely hope I am wrong but I think there is a mental block with Tre atm. 

 

We need more Elam for sure.

 

Not true. McDermott said after the game that the plan was for him to play 15-20 snaps. He played the first 2 series(15 plays). 

 

 

[Saint Doug]

3 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

It needs to be White and Elam the rest of the way. Why did White come out after the first drive? Was he not ok?

He missed the comfort of laying on his money pile, so had to go back and lie down. 

[transient]

5 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

Might be a hot take, but we should’ve resigned Levi Wallace. He’s not the fastest, but he’s superior in coverage to Jackson, Benford and Lewis.

Guess they should have sent him some red, white, and blue boxers to wear on signing day.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, bobobonators said:

I’ll get crap for this but Dane has been playing great in my opinion. This is 3 weeks in a row where the opposing WR makes a perfect, extremely difficult catch when Jackson is right there in coverage. Everything has to go right for the offense on that play and it does. Jackson has been a bit unlucky. 

I don’t see great. I see ok coverage and positioning but completely unable to use the position to prevent catches or pick off the ball. That’s why they keep attacking him. He’s losing and it’s on film repeatedly. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I hope this team starts to play more man coverage if/when Elam and White can return. 
 

Tough ask to do with Von/Groot/Epinessa all injured and back-up quality CBs getting the start. 

[RunTheBall]

1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

I hope this team starts to play more man coverage if/when Elam and White can return. 
 

Tough ask to do with Von/Groot/Epinessa all injured and back-up quality CBs getting the start. 

I disagree. I think they’ve been getting torched in man. They need to go back to their bread and butter zone once Edmunds gets healthy. 

[97bills]

47 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

So true. The whole plan revolved around Von & Groot staying healthy. That didn't happen.  AJE & Basham were to contribute as rotational pass rushers. That didn't happen. Too many mid tier qbs look better than they should because of our inconsistent pass rush. This all trickles down on our rookie/backup DB's.

And that’s two bad picks. AJ is in his 3 year and basham his 2. And we’re not getting nothing from them 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

18 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

I disagree. I think they’ve been getting torched in man. They need to go back to their bread and butter zone once Edmunds gets healthy. 

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by getting torched? Out of position, or just beat? 
 

Elam and White in man compared to Benford and Jackson is a whole lot different 

[What a Tuel]

8 hours ago, bobobonators said:

I’ll get crap for this but Dane has been playing great in my opinion. This is 3 weeks in a row where the opposing WR makes a perfect, extremely difficult catch when Jackson is right there in coverage. Everything has to go right for the offense on that play and it does. Jackson has been a bit unlucky. 

 

I don't know man. I saw Jackson on the back of a jersey way too many times after big plays. Some were his fault, some were just good plays, some weren't his fault but they were surely picking on him for a reason.

[RunTheBall]

2 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by getting torched? Out of position, or just beat? 
 

Elam and White in man compared to Benford and Jackson is a whole lot different 

Ya know what, I’d agree with you there on Elam and White in man coverage. What I’ve noticed over the last 4 weeks, and by no means am I some football guru I’m just a dude who’s watched every game for 40 years, is that they’ve played a lot more man recently and not very well. I don’t mind mixing it in, but I’d guess our ratio is close to 50-50. I think we are a better zone team, especially with Edmunds in the middle, and would like to see more like 70-30. I think Jackson is a liability in man coverage, Johnson has been smoked numerous times, and Benford is a natural zone corner. 

 

We’ve been decimated by injuries on the defense and I get that. I think when adversity hits you go to your tried and true defense and sprinkle in a blitz here or there to get some pressure since our front 4 has been lacking the last month too. 

[AlfaBill]

8 hours ago, Spiderweb said:

Players make plays. Close is for horseshoes and hand grenades.

Horseshoes and hand grenades? What is that like from the 50’s?

[Process]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is my suspicion. I think he asked to come out. Others think that was always the plan. 

 

I sincerely hope I am wrong but I think there is a mental block with Tre atm. 

 

We need more Elam for sure.

Interesting take. It is odd that they play him for two full series and then not at all the rest of the game. If they wanted him on a pitch count you'd think they would rotate him in throughout. 

 

But hopefully it was their plan and not a setback for Tre.

[Nextmanup]

10 hours ago, Whkfc said:

White played what 1 series?

2.

 

At this rate, Tre will play a full game and be himself in Week 4 of the 2026 season.

 

 

[MJS]

10 hours ago, bobobonators said:

I’ll get crap for this but Dane has been playing great in my opinion. This is 3 weeks in a row where the opposing WR makes a perfect, extremely difficult catch when Jackson is right there in coverage. Everything has to go right for the offense on that play and it does. Jackson has been a bit unlucky. 

At some point as a corner in this league you need to learn how to get your head around and make a play on the ball. That's what he is missing. I don't fault him on that crazy Jefferson catch where he had a hand on the ball, but Jackson usually plays the man and he needs to play the ball more.

1 hour ago, Process said:

Interesting take. It is odd that they play him for two full series and then not at all the rest of the game. If they wanted him on a pitch count you'd think they would rotate him in throughout. 

 

But hopefully it was their plan and not a setback for Tre.

Seems obvious to me that this was the plan all along. It can't be a coincidence that Tre comes back EXACTLY one year after the injury. They decided to keep him out a full year, ramp him up the final few games of the season, and have him full go for the playoffs. (Just my opinion)

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Process said:

Interesting take. It is odd that they play him for two full series and then not at all the rest of the game. If they wanted him on a pitch count you'd think they would rotate him in throughout. 

 

But hopefully it was their plan and not a setback for Tre.

 

Exactly. If that was their plan it is a really unusual way to do a pitch count. Obviously I hope that was the plan and they are trying to replicate what they do in pre-season maybe. But it is an unusual approach.

[Luka]

And to think a bunch of people here were trying to say Elam wasn't any good at the beginning of the season LOL

 

As soon as he went out and left the three stooges (Benford, Jackson, Johnson) out there on their own things took a turn for the worst...

 

If we can get Elam and White on the field at the same time for a game, it will be our best defensive performance since the Titans game.

[Behindenemylines]

15 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

With what money?

Part of our OBJ stash maybe?  

[Buckets]

15 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

Might be a hot take, but we should’ve resigned Levi Wallace. He’s not the fastest, but he’s superior in coverage to Jackson, Benford and Lewis.

My take on Wallace is he made a lot of tackles after the catch because he got beat.

[Orlando Tim]

It appears to me that we are playing primarily man coverage recently when we did zone early in year. I am guessing it is likely do to the loss of Tremaine who takes up a good portion of the field in the middle. As for Jackson he needs to get his head around just so that he can be a threat to pick it off, because I til then he is not a threat to a QB

[dave mcbride]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is my suspicion. I think he asked to come out. Others think that was always the plan. 

 

I sincerely hope I am wrong but I think there is a mental block with Tre atm. 

 

We need more Elam for sure.

Definitely a pitch count: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/he-lifts-everybody-else-up-tredavious-white-returns-to-bills-lineup-in-limited-fashion/article_5429d08e-6c5e-11ed-ba92-3fa5124dcd3d.html

[Ralonzo]

17 hours ago, bobobonators said:

I’ll get crap for this but Dane has been playing great in my opinion. This is 3 weeks in a row where the opposing WR makes a perfect, extremely difficult catch when Jackson is right there in coverage. Everything has to go right for the offense on that play and it does. Jackson has been a bit unlucky. 

Tony Romo is that you?

 

I said that same things the first 20 or 25 times it happened yesterday.

Edited November 25, 2022 by Ralonzo

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Definitely a pitch count: https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/he-lifts-everybody-else-up-tredavious-white-returns-to-bills-lineup-in-limited-fashion/article_5429d08e-6c5e-11ed-ba92-3fa5124dcd3d.html

 

It is an odd way to do it, but so long as it continues to tick up I'm good.

[Mr. WEO]

18 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

He did have trouble but he didn't get much help either. 

help from who?  Wasn’t the “MVP” out there? 

[Chaos]

Jackson played all 67 defensive snaps in the game.  He is one of a handful of guys holding the rubber band , duct tape and glue defense together.  This is one of the most awful threads in the history of TBD. 

Edited November 25, 2022 by Chaos

[ColoradoBills]

18 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

We also miss Edmunds.

 

Yep, and not only for his pass D in the middle.  He helps keep everyone on the same page.

 

Add Hyde being gone who also helped keep guys assigned right, it puts way too much on the CBs.

Hydes excellent positioning and instincts was a huge plus to the CBs.