BillsfaninChicago Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) Not on the wall but definitely welcome in the stands any game day of the season. Edited June 3, 2022 by BillsfaninChicago 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I would suggest Fitz is as popular as any of those names. He gets top score for that; others do too, but no one is "more loved" IMO. What is your standard for appearing on the Wall? You say not even close. Why? I think you're confusing being a meme with being loved. I mean sure he was loved, I love him, but if he looked like just a regular guy he wouldn't have held a candle to players of his era like Fred Jackson, Kyle Williams, etc. I'd love to see him retire as a Bill, but wall of fame? Lol no not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 The next name up there is Butch Byrd, period. After that we'll talk. But I don't think Fitz ever makes it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybe Someday Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Nextmanup said: So Fitz doesn't play a significant role in the team's history, at least for you. Correct? Why? Tell us more. You haven't really said anything. He was only here for 4 average seasons. He won a few big games but was nothing more than the best of a long line of bad Buffalo QBs. Awesome guy but not even close to WOF worthy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Love the guy, but it's a no for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Great guy but no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 i appreciate the Bills fans who started following the team during the Drought Era and watched nothing but losers until 2017.... they never knew anything better. Best to just fully embrace the players on the current and recent teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 He did end the Trent Edwards error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 If it was the wall of Fame for beard, sure, football, nfw. He was an occasional slightly overachieving footnote in an era of horror. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 48 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: I think you're confusing being a meme with being loved. I mean sure he was loved, I love him, but if he looked like just a regular guy he wouldn't have held a candle to players of his era like Fred Jackson, Kyle Williams, etc. I'd love to see him retire as a Bill, but wall of fame? Lol no not even close. Well I don't think Fred Jackson deserves the wall either, honestly. I can get on board with Kyle Williams because he was actually an elite player in the NFL and went to 6 pro bowls and was 2nd team All Pro once. Jackson was an above average player on a bad team. But he was nothing special. Love him as a leader and a person, though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: I guarantee that Kyle Williams (13 years with the Bills) will be on the WOF at the new stadium. Very possible, but i didn't see his name mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 5 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: his overall career would have been good enough but he didn't play long enough in Buffalo imo His overall career is that of a mediocre QB. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 The answer is no. I'd argue that Doug Flutie would make it up before Ryan Fitzpatrick. From other positions, just off the top of my head, Eric Moulds, Kyle Williams, Fred Jackson, London Fletcher, and Eric Wood would all make it up before he does. And I'd be surprised if every single one of them make it up as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: The answer is no. I'd argue that Doug Flutie would make it up before Ryan Fitzpatrick. From other positions, just off the top of my head, Eric Moulds, Kyle Williams, Fred Jackson, London Fletcher, and Eric Wood would all make it up before he does. And I'd be surprised if every single one of them make it up as well. Phil Hansen is on the Wall & even though he didn't play on teams as good as some of the ones Hansen played on, Williams played longer than Hansen & IMO had a better career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 It's a wall of FAME. Fitz is one of the most FAMOUS Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Rico said: No one from the Drought Era please. Butch Byrd, absolutely. I’d take Kyle Williams at some point, along with some others. But I FULLY agree Butch Byrd is LOOONG overdue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I would suggest Fitz is as popular as any of those names. He gets top score for that; others do too, but no one is "more loved" IMO. What is your standard for appearing on the Wall? You say not even close. Why? Um, playing most of if not their entire career as a Bill and also being a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 In an era of total mediocrity, he was one of the best mediocre players we had. Well deserving of the honor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 For those younger than dirt … https://taylorblitztimes.com/2015/05/30/the-soul-of-the-game-butch-byrd/ This is a great piece and an even greater video. Ask Joe Namath for the name of his nemesis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 My argument against it is that I would definitely put Kyle Williams and Eric Moulds up before him easily and then Fred Jackson would be first drought only era dude I would choose. So maybe eventually but that wall would have to be real full. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Albany,n.y. said: Phil Hansen is on the Wall & even though he didn't play on teams as good as some of the ones Hansen played on, Williams played longer than Hansen & IMO had a better career. Kyle Williams will definitely make it. I was simply saying that Fitzpatrick is below all of these players and I didn't think everyone I listed would go up. There's only so many spots. Phil played here for 11 years and never played anywhere else while playing on 3 Super Bowl Teams. I'm not saying I agree with Hansen's inclusion. But the longevity and playing on the Super Bowl Teams is why he made it. This is part of what hurts Fitz. Being in the drought era - he's not going to get that "Phil Hansen Bump" for being part of a glorified era. Edited June 3, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) A Bills Legend forever, but, respectfully, not qualified for the WOF. Edited June 3, 2022 by skibum 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Hell no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 8 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: I think you're confusing being a meme with being loved. I mean sure he was loved, I love him, but if he looked like just a regular guy he wouldn't have held a candle to players of his era like Fred Jackson, Kyle Williams, etc. I'd love to see him retire as a Bill, but wall of fame? Lol no not even close. So he was loved generally, and you loved him specifically, but he doesn't go on the wall because...he has a wild, long beard? Oh! I wish you had just written that in the first place. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: So he was loved generally, and you loved him specifically, but he doesn't go on the wall because...he has a wild, long beard? Oh! I wish you had just written that in the first place. Being condescending isn't a substitute for intelligence. It's obvious you just want to argue with people so you can think you're smart. If you'd take two seconds to actually take in what I said, you'd know the implication is that much of the "love" he got was based in being a meme, and not actually being a great QB (he was just the best we had for a while). A song about being the Amish Rifle and memes about his beard and fashion sense don't get you on the wall. It's not that the beard itself excludes him from it you disingenuous...well just fill in the blank since you like putting words in my mouth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 I liked Fitz, and Fitz was an easy guy to root for, but there is a reason his stint was short here. He was an awesome personality and teammate wherever he's been, but a Bills WOF'er he is not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) Love Fitz but no Edited June 3, 2022 by Putin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 14 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Fitz did have some stellar defenses along w/ 2 legitimate weapons in Stevie Johnson and Fred Jackson. Josh Allen would’ve brought those teams to the playoffs easily. Huh? 2009 Bills D was 16th In Points Allowed and 19th in Yards allowed. Next 3 years Bills were in high 20s in both and were among leagues worse D's consistently. That was not stellar my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 This is an easy one. Love Fitz, but no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 No, of course not. Great guy, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Fitz was 20-33 with a 59% completion percentage and 80 TDs to 64 INTs in 4 years as a starter Love Fitz, but I remember many of posts about how the Bills needed to move on. He is a fun dude and a fun story, but hardly WOF worthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagne591 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 20 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Sure, his career in Buffalo wasn't very long, and he will never be associated with only one team... But can you think of a more popular Buffalo Bill ever? Just because he was a fan favorite doesn't mean he deserves to be on the Wall of Fame. The Wall of Fame is for iconic Bills Players with HOF credentials that might not hold up against the rest of the League as far as the Hall goes but does call for some well deserved recognition from the Bills organization like Darryl Talley, Kent Hull, Fred Smerlas, and Steve Tasker. Not Ryan Fitzpatrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 I will nominate Chris Watson, Punt Catcher for the Wall of Fame. He was the best ever in that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 I love Fitz but no, absolutely not. His time here was short and his numbers unspectacular. The Fitz+Freddie+Stevie trio made the drought enjoyable for a little bit but that isn't wall of fame material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted June 3, 2022 Author Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffBillsForLife said: I love Fitz but no, absolutely not. His time here was short and his numbers unspectacular. The Fitz+Freddie+Stevie trio made the drought enjoyable for a little bit but that isn't wall of fame material. 9 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: Being condescending isn't a substitute for intelligence. It's obvious you just want to argue with people so you can think you're smart. If you'd take two seconds to actually take in what I said, you'd know the implication is that much of the "love" he got was based in being a meme, and not actually being a great QB (he was just the best we had for a while). A song about being the Amish Rifle and memes about his beard and fashion sense don't get you on the wall. It's not that the beard itself excludes him from it you disingenuous...well just fill in the blank since you like putting words in my mouth. You keep stating that he's a meme without actually defining what the meme is supposed to be, at least according to you. What was the meme? I missed that part? If I had to sell Fitz as a meme it would be as the leader and hard work, hard trying guy on a team that was going nowhere, and he knew it...but he still carried his lunch pale to the office every day, which is as "Buffalo Bill" as you can get. You seem to think he was just laughed at because he had a funny beard? Or maybe because he was drafted very low and from a school known for academics but not football? That all just adds to his underdog persona, and makes him that much more of a likable overachiever. I just wish you would actually explain why he doesn't belong on the wall. If you have to call him a "meme" a third time, how about at least explaining what the meme is so we have a shot at understanding what you're trying to say. And no, I'm not arguing for the fun of it; I actually hate arguing with strangers about Bills crap at this forum. I post very little this time of year for that reason, unless it's in the "off the wall" and not about football and not about argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 He's one of my all-time favorite NFL players and I want to say yes, but I don't think he was a Bill long enough. Perhaps needed two or three more years. I'm all-in on Canton though. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 Of course not... He will be loved by many fans for his enthusiasm & support for the city, but the teams he lead did nothing.... He likely holds individual franchise records of some sort (can't be bothered to look), but nothing significant & no playoff births. He does hold a great moment in my heart, & defeating the Patriots while Brady was still there will always be a great memory to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 21 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: My argument against it is that I would definitely put Kyle Williams and Eric Moulds up before him easily and then Fred Jackson would be first drought only era dude I would choose. So maybe eventually but that wall would have to be real full. Mostly agree. Kyle, Moulds, Brown, Schobel all more worthy. What about Stevie Johnson? The two best WR I have seen in a Bills uniform were Andre Reed and Eric Moulds. Neither of them had back to back 1000 yard seasons much less 3 in a row. Stevie freaking Johnson had 3x1000 seasons in a row for awful Bills teams. Andre Reed was part era. Eric Moulds would be in the HOF with better QB play. A real stud player. Johnson was a 7th round pick on garbage teams and put up 3x1000 receiving seasons in a row. The only other WR I know of to have 2x1000 seasons in a row is Diggs. He has JA and was obtained using a 1st round pick. It's not even comparable. Stevie Johnson made Revis look silly, in his own division. Diggs should clear 1k this year and JOIN Stevie Johnson as the only Bills WRs with 3x1000. Perspective folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Mostly agree. Kyle, Moulds, Brown, Schobel all more worthy. What about Stevie Johnson? The two best WR I have seen in a Bills uniform were Andre Reed and Eric Moulds. Neither of them had back to back 1000 yard seasons much less 3 in a row. Stevie freaking Johnson had 3x1000 seasons in a row for awful Bills teams. Andre Reed was part era. Eric Moulds would be in the HOF with better QB play. A real stud player. Johnson was a 7th round pick on garbage teams and put up 3x1000 receiving seasons in a row. The only other WR I know of to have 2x1000 seasons in a row is Diggs. He has JA and was obtained using a 1st round pick. It's not even comparable. Stevie Johnson made Revis look silly, in his own division. Diggs should clear 1k this year and JOIN Stevie Johnson as the only Bills WRs with 3x1000. Perspective folks. I forgot about Stevie and Schobel, so Fitz is pretty far down the list, and I loved Fitz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted June 3, 2022 Share Posted June 3, 2022 On 6/2/2022 at 11:05 AM, FireChans said: Legitimately no, not even close and I love Fitzy. Fred and Kyle are way more deserving. Three ways. Fred and Kyle are way, way, way more deserving. I would hope they’d be locks. I’d put Cordy Glenn and Eric Wood ahead of Fitz…. Wood might have been way higher had he been able to play out that last contract. An underrated Bill in my estimation. but I’d say Jerry, Eric, Fitz and Cordy - no and Kyle and Freddy a big yes! Both of them had immaculate careers in Buffalo and only Buffalo…. Both would be nationally famous had they played on winning teams. I just smile when I think of them… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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