Putin Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: why would anyone need to “despise” something like PFF? how is it possible to be that worked up over it? weird You should be asking PFF that question with regards to Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, eball said: Lewan is a me-first douche. Yeah, I suspect his allegation is more of an "I'm a well known PED cheat myself........so I know a cheat when I see one". 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Putin said: You should be asking PFF that question with regards to Buffalo why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 So that's why they said Duck Hodges was better than Josh Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 43 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah, I suspect his allegation is more of an "I'm a well known PED cheat myself........so I know a cheat when I see one". Agreed. I was more so referring to the individual in general. Guy like that would never survive in the Buffalo locker room. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 What does he mean that PFF 'is a complete liability'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Tuna fish is an inexpensive and nourishing high protein food. Tuna fish, Perry's Frozen Yogurt, what's next, hate Apple Pie? I'm not sure what play you're talking about, but Eric Wood did a segment where he pointed out why sometimes players get treated by teams (extended, asked to take salary cuts) in a way discordant with their PFF ratings. His example was a play where he was graded as apparently whiffing on a blocker. He was playing next to Richie Incognito (no rookie) whose assignment it was to block that guy. The Bills won, and Wood said he and Richie joked afterwards that PFF would assign the fault to him (Wood). They did. It's the reason why I personally feel that PFF's OL and DL grades are particularly to be taken with a large grain of salt. Grain? Dump truck of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, klos63 said: What does he mean that PFF 'is a complete liability'? I imagine he would be referring to how the league showcases (or used to anyway) players’ PFF grades during broadcasts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 Sunday night football shills PFF so that Collinsworth can feel more important on the broadcast. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 No way this is ever proven, but in the off chance it is that will be a killer lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, klos63 said: What does he mean that PFF 'is a complete liability'? this moron thinks “liability” means “ability to lie” 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 6 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: If it turns out there is something to it, Chris Collinsworth could find himself in some doodoo with the network. I suspect the league would be unhappy with him too. The league hates controversy with anyone connected with NFL football, and not just players. Unless Lewan is in possession of real evidence that PFF has taken bribes (which is highly unlikely), then he is probably the one that’s in trouble. PFF is not a small business and that is a potentially very damaging accusation. I am surprised we have not seen a retraction by now. I’m sure he’s gotten a cease and desist letter from PFF’s lawyers discussing how slanderous his statements are and what the legal ramifications could be. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Unless Lewan is in possession of real evidence that PFF has taken bribes (which is highly unlikely), then he is probably the one that’s in trouble. PFF is not a small business and that is a potentially very damaging accusation. I am surprised we have not seen a retraction by now. I’m sure he’s gotten a cease and desist letter from PFF’s lawyers discussing how slanderous his statements are and what the legal ramifications could be. You’d better think long and hard before making such accusations. What is the most likely response from PFF? Can you prove it and stay safe? If the answer is “no”, it’s best to abort before opening your mouth. Beside that, what was to be gained? They hurt his feelings and he wants to strike out? Or maybe it’s true but he just can’t prove it. Still, what is to be gained? Looks like the best case is you don’t lose an expensive lawsuit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 If true, there probably is no way to prove it. There is also really no reason to share if you cant prove It. Not a surprise if true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Putin said: You should be asking PFF that question with regards to Buffalo Collinsworth 15 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: If true, there probably is no way to prove it. There is also really no reason to share if you cant prove It. Not a surprise if true. Some people use checks when committing these heinous acts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Collinsworth Some people use checks when committing these heinous acts. Others use Venmo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 9 hours ago, NewEra said: Throw someone under the bus or it didn’t happen Taylor. Does Duck Hodges count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 34 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: If true, there probably is no way to prove it. There is also really no reason to share if you cant prove It. Not a surprise if true. Sure there is. Unless they are handing them 50k in cash. Even still, PFF would likely keep some sort of "of the books" records on who paid to inflate their rating. That's possibly ~1700 players only counting the 53 man roster. Even a tenth of that would be hard to believe they just take the money and just tick their number up a few points. They would likely expect a payment the following season and need to keep track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Sure there is. Unless they are handing them 50k in cash. Even still, PFF would likely keep some sort of "of the books" records on who paid to inflate their rating. That's possibly ~1700 players only counting the 53 man roster. Even a tenth of that would be hard to believe they just take the money and just tick their number up a few points. They would likely expect a payment the following season and need to keep track. Or you could just bribe the ‘analysts’ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Not surprised at all about this. PFF is definitely a scam. Many things around the NFL are corrupted, sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Sure there is. Unless they are handing them 50k in cash. Even still, PFF would likely keep some sort of "of the books" records on who paid to inflate their rating. That's possibly ~1700 players only counting the 53 man roster. Even a tenth of that would be hard to believe they just take the money and just tick their number up a few points. They would likely expect a payment the following season and need to keep track. It's probably limited to positions that don't rely on stats to verify the grades. Like field goal holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 And Wegmans pays Forbes to be at the top of the best companies to work for list, honestly is anyone really surprised by this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Damning claim if true. A wild claim as well, making me think there may actually be something going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Corrupt just like everything else in this wonderful world 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 1 hour ago, unbillievable said: It's probably limited to positions that don't rely on stats to verify the grades. Like field goal holder. Well that's normally the punter unless your are expecting someone else to take that role. The Araiza paradox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: this moron thinks “liability” means “ability to lie” Now that was legit funny. worthy of 🥇. I am so using that in my daily life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 8 hours ago, Spiderweb said: Personally I dislike Lewan far more than PFF. I enjoy a healthy disdain for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said: And Wegmans pays Forbes to be at the top of the best companies to work for list, honestly is anyone really surprised by this? Proof? Or this is pretty much libel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: Still trying to figure out why people put stock in things like player grades? Who really gives a *****. Taylor Lewan obviously gives a ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 12 hours ago, Einstein said: “[PFF] is a complete liability, it’s a lie,” says Lewan in the video. “Do you know there’s NFL football players who go and pay $50,000 a year to PFF so their numbers are inflated?” https://atozsports.com/nashville/taylor-lewan-makes-statement-that-completely-discredits-pro-football-focus/ That explains a lot. 12 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said: Sorry Taylor, but if you're not pleased with your pff score, it's probably because you gave up 5 sacks week one vs Chandler Jones. he only paid 40,000$ 12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Talk about going out of your way to find something to feel contempt about. Doubt he went out his way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 11 hours ago, Shaw66 said: I've never liked PFF, but I'd be amazed if this were true. Maybe someone at PFF took a bribe on one or more occasions, but I doubt that PFF makes a practice of inflating scores in exchange for payments. Collinsworth is too smart risk his franchise, which seems to be pretty well established, to collect a few hundred thousand extra dollars. And even if there have been bribes, it doesn't make sense that the bribes are too widespread, because other people at PFF would start to notice that the data doesn't add up or is giving inconsistent results. But, as your local news always says, tune in at 11 for further details. i would say the data doesnt add up so ... at this point whenever i see PFF i tune out because even if somehow they are accurate it doesnt correlate to how good the player actually is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 5 hours ago, BarleyNY said: Unless Lewan is in possession of real evidence that PFF has taken bribes (which is highly unlikely), then he is probably the one that’s in trouble. PFF is not a small business and that is a potentially very damaging accusation. I am surprised we have not seen a retraction by now. I’m sure he’s gotten a cease and desist letter from PFF’s lawyers discussing how slanderous his statements are and what the legal ramifications could be. 4 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: If true, there probably is no way to prove it. There is also really no reason to share if you cant prove It. Not a surprise if true. If you read the dateline in the link (https://atozsports.com/nashville/taylor-lewan-makes-statement-that-completely-discredits-pro-football-focus/) the article was published on Thursday... 3 days ago. If there was any credence to Lewan's allegations, other media outlets would have "picked it up" and started digging into this. In particular Pro Football Talk founder Mike Florio would be all over this story. He isn't. In fact PFT hasn't even mentioned this story and they are the kings of clickbait. IMO Lewan should be hoping the story dies because if it doesn't, the likely outcome is that he'll be the one in trouble, not PFF. On a related subject when you speak with those who believe in conspiracy theories (pick one, any one) they're always at a loss to explain how those committing the conspiracies (Chemtrails for instance) are able to keep them secret. IMO if NFL players were paying $50K to boost their PFF ratings it would be pretty easy to find out and pretty damn hard to keep it a secret. All it would take is one disgruntled employee, or an employee who has a pang of consciousness, or an employee under oath deciding not to lie. Or the confession of an NFL player saying that he did nothing wrong... or... you get the idea. I've been wrong plenty of times but I don't believe Lewan's claim at all. That dude is a fail on so many levels... including trying to be irreverent and provocative on an informal pop culture sports site. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 14 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: “[PFF] is a complete liability" Looks like Taylor paid his English prof for higher grades... I thought the exact same thing. Liability = lie-ability. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 8 hours ago, without a drought said: Taylor Lewan obviously gives a ****. he should play better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Laremy Tunsils gas mask must be smoking or PFF is about to lose any credibility it has Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: I enjoy a healthy disdain for both. Fair enough.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 I don’t believe him. He is an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 11 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said: And Wegmans pays Forbes to be at the top of the best companies to work for list, honestly is anyone really surprised by this? My wife has worked at Wegmans ft for the last 7 years. Every year she flips out with that insane ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 So according to Lewan, nobody in the know pays any attention to the the PFF ratings, yet some players are willing to kick in 50K to get higher ratings. Is there a contradiction there? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Lewan is cheap and drives a Taurus.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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