In hindsight, what’s your worst “hot take” on TSW ever?

[eball]

Hey, it’s the offseason, and since we now actually have a team it’s fun to root for it’s easier to look back at the drought era and reflect.

 

Feel free to come in here and remind us all of your worst takes on the Bills during the drought years.  What were you so sure of that was proven to be absolutely wrong?

 

I’ll start.  I’m a self-professed homer so even through the drought years I was always looking for the silver lining…but that’s what fans do.

 

Here are a few I’m not particularly proud of:

 

I wanted Rob Johnson to play over Flutie.

I was excited when Marv was brought back as GM and thought he would right the ship.

I didn’t think Russ Brandon was a tool.

I blamed Overdorf for Ralph’s cheapness.

I defended Chris Kelsay way more than he deserved.

I loved the trade up to draft Sammy Watkins.

I fooled myself into thinking Rex Ryan was a good hire.

 

Those are the big ones.  I’ve rooted for sub-par players but I think that’s just fandom.

 

What say you?

 

 

[RiotAct]

check the Josh Allen official draft pick thread from spring 2018.  😳

[BuffaloBillies]

We just got the best defensive end in the league, Mario Williams.

Reggie Bush, nice pickup! He'll be great on 3rd down.

[Brand J]

I remember wanting Rosen because I thought he had the highest skillset of the four and wasn’t all potential like Allen, who I thought was a QB who had struggled against every Power 5 program. My comment was “it’s like having JP Losman and Aaron Rodgers in the same draft and we go for Losman.” 😂

[GymShorts84]

Rex Ryan could only make the defense better. 
 

Dion Dawkins shouldn’t play left tackle. 
 

2021 D-Line would get sacks. 

[Motor26]

Wanting Rosen over Allen. God how wrong we all in that camp were.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

25 minutes ago, eball said:

Hey, it’s the offseason, and since we now actually have a team it’s fun to root for it’s easier to look back at the drought era and reflect.

 

Feel free to come in here and remind us all of your worst takes on the Bills during the drought years.  What were you so sure of that was proven to be absolutely wrong?

 

I’ll start.  I’m a self-professed homer so even through the drought years I was always looking for the silver lining…but that’s what fans do.

 

Here are a few I’m not particularly proud of:

 

I wanted Rob Johnson to play over Flutie.

I was excited when Marv was brought back as GM and thought he would right the ship.

I didn’t think Russ Brandon was a tool.

I blamed Overdorf for Ralph’s cheapness.

I defended Chris Kelsay way more than he deserved.

I loved the trade up to draft Sammy Watkins.

I fooled myself into thinking Rex Ryan was a good hire.

 

Those are the big ones.  I’ve rooted for sub-par players but I think that’s just fandom.

 

What say you?

 

 

i am also a homer. I still even look back at those drought rosters and think, “man, this seems like a good team.” I also had the same pro-RJ and pro-Kelsey views as you, so I won’t repeat them. 

 

for me:

 

1) I was a huge Tom Donahoe fan

2) I was also a big Chan Gailey fan

3) Approved of letting Winfield and Pat Williams walk.

4) Non-Bills take: Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

New Coke > Classic Coke (i.e., Coke).

[Rico]

Meathead or Jauron were recently canned, and the Bills were soft AF. They needed a disciplinarian to kick their asses and toughen them up. There was one man best suited for the job…..

 

DITKA!  

[BillsfaninChicago]

I was in the wrong Josh’s camp in 2018…

[billybrew1]

23 minutes ago, eball said:

Hey, it’s the offseason, and since we now actually have a team it’s fun to root for it’s easier to look back at the drought era and reflect.

 

Feel free to come in here and remind us all of your worst takes on the Bills during the drought years.  What were you so sure of that was proven to be absolutely wrong?

 

I’ll start.  I’m a self-professed homer so even through the drought years I was always looking for the silver lining…but that’s what fans do.

 

Here are a few I’m not particularly proud of:

 

I wanted Rob Johnson to play over Flutie.

I was excited when Marv was brought back as GM and thought he would right the ship.

I didn’t think Russ Brandon was a tool.

I blamed Overdorf for Ralph’s cheapness.

I defended Chris Kelsay way more than he deserved.

I loved the trade up to draft Sammy Watkins.

I fooled myself into thinking Rex Ryan was a good hire.

 

Those are the big ones.  I’ve rooted for sub-par players but I think that’s just fandom.

 

What say you?

 

 

Out of your list there I only rooted for Johnson but I still stand by it to this day.

But I rooted for Rex when he initially got here because he was the Bills coach, it didn’t take long at all to know he should go.

I was open-minded on Allen because, you know, I didn’t know. It didn’t take long for me to realize what we got with him. He is like Bruce Smith, the best at his position, he just plays QB.

My biggest mistake was thinking the Bills team after Fitzpatrick signed his contract and our defense just signed Super and we had Jerry, Dareus and Kyle, backed by decent players, I think if I wasn’t married that I would have bet a very large sum of money that that team would makes the playoffs. I thought we would kill the jets in week one and Rex’s team beat us by around 40. Mario the Bills hid he had a bad wrist and was completely ineffective and Kyle went out for the year. And we had this other end, Anderson from the bears, and he got hurt in that game out for the year and Fitz threw to the opposition and ***** his pants. I couldn’t Billieve it, I was crushed. Maybe it 2013? I finally block the whole Billsian event a little bit. The Bills whole season sucked and I’m still mad about the Bills lying about Super and Kyle…hiding their injuries….Ughh! What an awful memory but I guess, it could have been a whole lot worse if I put that bet in. I advise not to bet on football because that wasn’t the only game I was completely mystified by the results. It happens all the time….

But that is why I hope Mr. McBeane tries to really go for it if he thinks he is close enough. You really need a Super Team to make through the season, the playoffs and to win that Super Bowl. So many things can weaken you. And in the end, Cincy almost won that game after Bailey went out. Could you imagine Bills fans criticizing Leslie about letting Cupp run all over the field, Willy-Billy once Bailey was injured? How did Cincy not double teamCupp every play? Beats me? But anyway, defense won the game yet again, defense usually wins the Super Bowl. As Aaron Donald just took over and got them the game.

Thats the NFL’s biggest fallacy. That it is just about offense now. That’s never been true, maybe for a few weeks in the regular season,but once the playoffs start, you better have a good defense to win it all.

 

Go Bills!y

[Maine-iac]

I wasn't all in for Allen because he was touted as a project and I thought from a QB coaching stand point our coaching staff was not equipped to handle that.  I didn't see Daboll coming in here and having as much success as he did.  Dennison was so bad I wasn't against getting rid of him but I wasn't sure Daboll was the answer.  All of that was theoretical and luckily Allen has been great and Daboll's time here was very successful.   Flip side of that, I thought Zay Jones was going to be our Cooper Kupp.  They were both great in the Senior Bowl.  Both had good size and seemed like great route runners and pass catchers.  Zay may put it all together some day but he was for the most part a mess here.

[Paul Costa]

I defended the Sexy Rexy hiring thinking he brought us a proven winner. Man was I wrong. What a Dbag 😭😭😭

“Is this thing on? It’s about to be on!!!”

[The Wiz]

EJ Manuel was a good QB that was mishandled by the staff.

[LeGOATski]

I've always been right on everything.

[YoloinOhio]

Getting only a 2nd rd pick and   ej Gaines in return for Sammy Watkins in a contract year with no QB was a terrible trade 

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I've always been right on everything.

A live look of @LeGOATski going through his post history.

[First Round Bust]

its historic, its intrinsic, we were all on board with moves like Kay Stepheson for Chuck Knox and Hank Bullough for Kay, Wade for Marv, Greg Williams as well

Not much love for Dick Jauron, must be the name...and another mediocre coaching record prior to be hired

But I recall my dad hating the Marv Levy hire as another one of the above

 

I also remember the days of yesteryear when Lou Saban would move RBs to LB - Bo Cornell

WRs to DB - Ike Harrison

and DLs to OL and vice versa

all within the confines of training camp

 

He did get OJ to 2,000 yards and Joe D to the HOF, and the Bills to one playoff

 

imagine how much we would flame and debate these kind of moves nowadays

[Rico]

My Gary Marangi love pre-dates this board.

[Brennan Huff]

Josh Rosen and the Cardinals were going to win so many Super Bowls 

[billybrew1]

41 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

i am also a homer. I still even look back at those drought rosters and think, “man, this seems like a good team.” I also had the same pro-RJ and pro-Kelsey views as you, so I won’t repeat them. 

 

for me:

 

1) I was a huge Tom Donahoe fan

2) I was also a big Chan Gailey fan

3) Approved of letting Winfield and Pat Williams walk.

4) Non-Bills take: Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning

 

I was a huge Donahoe fane when he first got here but immediately hated him at first news of signing that washed-up Lawyer Milloy and I knew immediately it meant we would lose Pat Williams and Antoine Winfield and I absolutely hated that trade. Winfield in just four years, is still one of my favorite Bills of all-time and PW was a winner. I can’t Billieve he made that move….Just insane. Did someone pay him to wreck the Bills? I wonder.

I still am a Chan Gailey fan. He made our OL respectable for the first time since Kelly. He ran a good offense. He’s a good OC.

Oops! I just saw three, sorry.

My brother was a huge Ryan Leaf fan. I did not watch college that year much… Maybe I was slightly good at admitting I knew nothing often? Like with Leaf. I just said, I have no idea. That’s how I was mostly with Allen but I recognized his vast potential just seeing college film and his combine and I tend to support Bills even though I turned my TV off after we failed to trade up for Rothlesburger….Also laughed at Donte Whitner pick when that giant DT the ravens took was still on board (just awful Bills moves.)

I love super tackles and Ted Washington is my second favorite Bill (but Allen is closing fast!).

My brothers laugh at me for thinking the Bills are going to do better than most think, but I got them since McD was hired anyway…

 

[HamSandwhich]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

check the Josh Allen official draft pick thread from spring 2018.  😳

Absolute classic

[Alphadawg7]

Without question, the topic I was committed to and totally wrong about was thinking CJ Spiller could be a full time RB after he had over 2000+ total yards the year before.  Wasn't so much a "hot take" though, I mean he did put up 2000+ yards with over 6 YPC, so it was more an entire offseason take lmao.  

 

Yeah nope.  

 

 

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

24 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

I was a huge Donahoe fane when he first got here but immediately hated him at first news of signing that washed-up Lawyer Milloy and I knew immediately it meant we would lose Pat Williams and Antoine Winfield and I absolutely hated that trade. Winfield in just four years, is still one of my favorite Bills of all-time and PW was a winner. I can’t Billieve he made that move….Just insane. Did someone pay him to wreck the Bills? I wonder.

I still am a Chan Gailey fan. He made our OL respectable for the first time since Kelly. He ran a good offense. He’s a good OC.

Oops! I just saw three, sorry.

My brother was a huge Ryan Leaf fan. I did not watch college that year much… Maybe I was slightly good at admitting I knew nothing often? Like with Leaf. I just said, I have no idea. That’s how I was mostly with Allen but I recognized his vast potential just seeing college film and his combine and I tend to support Bills even though I turned my TV off after we failed to trade up for Rothlesburger….Also laughed at Donte Whitner pick when that giant DT the ravens took was still on board (just awful Bills moves.)

I love super tackles and Ted Washington is my second favorite Bill (but Allen is closing fast!).

My brothers laugh at me for thinking the Bills are going to do better than most think, but I got them since McD was hired anyway…

 

re winfield, I was okay with it at the time. My reasoning was that the Bills could only pay one good corner and I thought Clements was better. But after that move, AW played at a high level and Clements declined. 
 

Re Pat Williams, I came to terms with it because I remember hearing that we tried to re-sign him, but he left for more money. I just suspect now we could have gotten it done if we really wanted to. Of course, he also went onto have additional productive years. 

[Doc Brown]

Brian Brohm has Tom Brady like qualities.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Hey, it’s the offseason, and since we now actually have a team it’s fun to root for it’s easier to look back at the drought era and reflect.

 

Feel free to come in here and remind us all of your worst takes on the Bills during the drought years.  What were you so sure of that was proven to be absolutely wrong?

 

I’ll start.  I’m a self-professed homer so even through the drought years I was always looking for the silver lining…but that’s what fans do.

 

Here are a few I’m not particularly proud of:

 

I wanted Rob Johnson to play over Flutie.

I was excited when Marv was brought back as GM and thought he would right the ship.

I didn’t think Russ Brandon was a tool.

I blamed Overdorf for Ralph’s cheapness.

I defended Chris Kelsay way more than he deserved.

I loved the trade up to draft Sammy Watkins.

I fooled myself into thinking Rex Ryan was a good hire.

 

Those are the big ones.  I’ve rooted for sub-par players but I think that’s just fandom.

 

What say you?

 

Oh, boy. Many. 

 

I, too, fooled myself about the Rex Ryan hire, though I claim the "talked into that POV by a guy in a Gold Jacket" mulligan for that one

 

I thought Tyrod Taylor could play QB well enough to get us to the playoffs.  I was right about that, kind of - if only the D under Ryan had done their part.

 

I thought Ryan Fitzpatrick could improve his completion %, decrease his INT, and become our franchise QB.    Well, he did both - but not here, and not consistently enough to become The Man somewhere else.

 

[BillsFanNC]

I was probably way too optimistic about Trent Edwards being the long term answer at QB.

[RaoulDuke79]

We drafted the wrong Josh. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I have several but I post a mix of what I would do and what I think the organization will do.

 

Silliest : I didn't do my research well enough on Henry's foot injury. I'm a cardiologist and should have done more research  about his foot injury. 

 

Criticized McDermott handling of Marcell Dareus. I thought the organization was giving up on a guy that could have been great. He was playing at an incredible level prior to signing his extension.  I thought McD's scheme and coaching was holding him back. Turns out he just was a lazy fat bastard.

Edited February 26, 2022 by Ethan in Portland

[dwight in philly]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

My Gary Marangi love pre-dates this board.

I will go even farther back... I liked the John Rauch Head Coaching hire , talk about a bust! .. Using OJ as a decoy and blocking back kind of said it all !

[GunnerBill]

Mine infamously was believing drafting Josh would torpedo a to that point promising regime. 

 

I am trying to think of other embarrassing hot takes.... I mean I generally don't have too many. I am sure you can churn up a few up in game day threads but I make a disclaimer at the start of every season that the GDT is the one place I cannot be relied upon to have a mature or considered view on. 

 

If you want other Bills specific things I was just wrong on:

- I liked the Shaq Lawson pick;

- I quite liked the Tyler Kroft signing;

- I thought the trade for Mike Williams form the Buccs was inspired!

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

33 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Brian Brohm has Tom Brady like qualities.

Narcissistic?

[Mr. WEO]

matt Leinart...

[BuffaloBill]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

I've always been right on everything.

It’s hard being perfect, isn’t it?

29 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

I was probably way too optimistic about Trent Edwards being the long term answer at QB.

I am guilty of this. I still say he had the talent but lost the drive when he was knocked out in the Cards game. 

[DallasMac]

I really liked Josh Allen but I wanted Rosen.  I thought Terrell Owens would be a great pick up and help Trent.  Non Bills take.  Didn't think Mahomes would be good at all.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

32 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I, too, fooled myself about the Rex Ryan hire, though I claim the "talked into that POV by a guy in a Gold Jacket" mulligan for that one

Now what does your Century 21 real estate agent know about good NFL coaching?!

[LABILLBACKER]

1. Wanted Rosen over Allen

2. Was probably a little too rough on Kelsay & Edmunds 

3.   I too wanted Watkins 

4. Selfishly wanting a dome before finally going to Highmark and seeing with my own eyes what an amazing outdoor experience (albeit cold) it was.

[BruceVilanch]

CJ spiller was the better of the two to keep between him and Lynch

[Doc Brown]

15 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Narcissistic?

Five letter last name that started with a b.

[Buffalo Boy]

46 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

I was probably way too optimistic about Trent Edwards being the long term answer at QB.

    This. I remember him hitting a beautiful 30+ yard dime to the left and thinking, “ Wow, he’s gonna be special.”

    And…… I was legit Happy they started Nate Peterman. I thought, for sure, he was going to expose TT for the mistake he had been all season😳….. oooof

Edited February 26, 2022 by Buffalo Boy