Is there a reason Josh didnt feel like taking checkdowns yesterday?

[Ramza86]

I just got the vibe that he felt his competition wasnt worthy of him having to play dink and dunk. 

 

He wanted to go out there and crush the Falcons with his arm.

 

I think im ok with that...but id rather him take the checkdown a couple times a drive to help open that stuff up down the field.

[Max Fischer]

Atlanta seemed to concentrate on blanketing Knox and Beasley and encouraged Allen to push the ball down the field. If so, the Falcons possibly thought it was better to risk the intermediate and long plays in that weather. Combined with Allen's off-day, it appeared to work. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

18 minutes ago, Max Fischer said:

Atlanta seemed to concentrate on blanketing Knox and Beasley and encouraged Allen to push the ball down the field. If so, the Falcons possibly thought it was better to risk the intermediate and long plays in that weather. Combined with Allen's off-day, it appeared to work. 

Great Name and Pic btw lol

[78thealltimegreat]

26 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

I just got the vibe that he felt his competition wasnt worthy of him having to play dink and dunk. 

 

He wanted to go out there and crush the Falcons with his arm.

 

I think im ok with that...but id rather him take the checkdown a couple times a drive to help open that stuff up down the field.

That’s entirely possible he basically drove at will on the falcons till the Jarrett tipped pass on the 3rd drive in the red zone…what’s funny about that play is if you look behind Jarrett if he doesn’t tip it there’s two bills waiting to catch it 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Diggs said "Go get them, Captain!" at the first offensive series, referring to his team status.  Allen mistook this as a comparison to Trent Edwards.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

I think you're spot on, exactly right. In situations like this, he feels like he should be able to be himself and be aggressive. It didn't work yesterday. He should always respect the opponent and take what is there.

[MAJBobby]

He seemed to be pressing a little bit in the 2nd QTR and things snowballed on him.  But end of the day your QB throws 3 picks and still win by 14 that is all that needs to be said about how he can adjust and still take control of games.

[zow2]

It's going to be a different story when they play teams in the playoffs that can run the ball and play really tough D.  The games will be close and Allen will need every blade of grass that the opponent makes available..  Can't be overreaching for plays just for the sake of pushing the ball deep.

[WhoTom]

He should have checked down to Knox instead of throwing the home-run ball to Diggs.

 

And Diggs should have checked down to Josh on the razzle-dazzle play. 🙂

 

[Coach Tuesday]

I don’t think he or his OC had enough respect for their opponent.

[Warcodered]

I mean that deep shot to Diggs, if he has him 1 on 1 I have no problem with him taking that.

[FilthyBeast]

Despite the win yesterday there should definitely be concerns with Allen having one of the worse games of his career at home against a lessor team after putting together such a dominant performance the week before.

 

It seems like he still tries to hard to play hero ball at times and that has been a big part of why this team has been so inconsistent this year. I also worry about him getting hurt or turning the ball over every time he takes off and there were a few plays yesterday that could have been a disaster with the type of hits he absorbed.

 

Bottom line there is zero chance this team will advance far in the playoffs unless he plays smarter and still would like less running, at least the designed run stuff.

[Pirate Angel]

Diggs had em beat, pass was a little behind.

[TH3]

2 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

I just got the vibe that he felt his competition wasnt worthy of him having to play dink and dunk. 

 

He wanted to go out there and crush the Falcons with his arm.

 

I think im ok with that...but id rather him take the checkdown a couple times a drive to help open that stuff up down the field.

Do you have All 22?

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

Despite the win yesterday there should definitely be concerns with Allen having one of the worse games of his career at home against a lessor team after putting together such a dominant performance the week before.

 

It seems like he still tries to hard to play hero ball at times and that has been a big part of why this team has been so inconsistent this year. I also worry about him getting hurt or turning the ball over every time he takes off and there were a few plays yesterday that could have been a disaster with the type of hits he absorbed.

 

Bottom line there is zero chance this team will advance far in the playoffs unless he plays smarter and still would like less running, at least the designed run stuff.

Zero chance huh?

[Boatdrinks]

It was odd, especially coming off a game where he took the check down with great success. Maybe ATL was focused on taking those outlets away? Not sure either way but all 22 analysis will shed some light on it. 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, WhoTom said:

He should have checked down to Knox instead of throwing the home-run ball to Diggs.

 

And Diggs should have checked down to Josh on the razzle-dazzle play. 🙂

 

That throw to diggs was there.  I don’t blame him one bit for that one.  DB made a nice play.  It happens. 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

Atlanta seemed to concentrate on blanketing Knox and Beasley and encouraged Allen to push the ball down the field. If so, the Falcons possibly thought it was better to risk the intermediate and long plays in that weather. Combined with Allen's off-day, it appeared to work. 

It did work and forced us to go all run. Anytime you have enough weather (wind, snow, rain) to be an issue,  Dabol has to insist on Josh scaling it back.  I don't care who the opponent is.

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, WhoTom said:

He should have checked down to Knox instead of throwing the home-run ball to Diggs.

 

And Diggs should have checked down to Josh on the razzle-dazzle play. 🙂

 

The first time he tried to check down to Knox he reacted like Josh threw a grenade. Didn’t expect it at all.

[Ralonzo]

2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

That throw to diggs was there.  I don’t blame him one bit for that one.  DB made a nice play.  It happens. 

Josh does try to force more balls to Diggs than the other guys. Even when Diggs is completely covered. Understandable because he’s the #1 and they’re buds and all but Diggs isn’t the kind of guy who’s open when he’s covered like a Hopkins. Most Allen throws that result in Bad Things, are throw at Diggs, it feels like.

[DrDawkinstein]

He kept going downfield because the WRs were getting separation in the slippery conditions and were open.

 

The problem was a few tipped balls that turned into INTs (Is Josh too short? Put in Flutie?).

 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

He kept going downfield because the WRs were getting separation in the slippery conditions and were open.

 

The problem was a few tipped balls that turned into INTs (Is Josh too short? Put in Flutie?).

 

Probably true on the separation. I don’t think the tipped balls were a result of D linemen being too close to Josh, a la Flutie. Maybe the throws were a little too flat, or just bad luck. The one in the red zone was a bad decision. 

[JoshAllin]

He must have been amped and wanted to come out firing because even the short 5 yarders were canon shots that were hard to catch

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

Atlanta seemed to concentrate on blanketing Knox and Beasley and encouraged Allen to push the ball down the field. If so, the Falcons possibly thought it was better to risk the intermediate and long plays in that weather. Combined with Allen's off-day, it appeared to work. 

Knox was wide open on like 70% of the plays yesterday. Josh just didn’t want to bother with 5-yard checkdowns. I think he was looking to just hit home runs for some reason. 

[mannc]

Zero completions to RBs is puzzling on a day like yesterday, especially with how effective that was against NE…hopefully they go back to it…

[Robert Paulson]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Zero completions to RBs is puzzling on a day like yesterday, especially with how effective that was against NE…hopefully they go back to it…

there was one i believe in the 1st INT drive where he looked left to a wide open 26 in the flat, pulled the ball down, rolled right , scrambled and threw for an incomplete or 2 yard gain. Motor would have had 15 yards easy. 

 

he was not dinking and dunking yesterday. maybe lulling playoff opponents to sleep  

[Mat68]

0 concern.  Daboll played into the second quarter mishaps.  No reason for a double reverse pass when inside or outside zone would have worked.  They got a little too loose there imo.  That game imo should remind Allen that some passes dont need to be made.  The first pick should have ended up in row 3.  Other 2 happen.  Cole has not been on the field alot the last few weeks it showed on that pass.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

It looked like he just said ***** it I have people in fantasy FB relying on me. I'm going big.

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

I think you're spot on, exactly right. In situations like this, he feels like he should be able to be himself and be aggressive. It didn't work yesterday. He should always respect the opponent and take what is there.

Can you point to the times when you felt he should have checked down? 

[947]

I think the bigger problem was not throwing based on the conditions. Josh would've had at least 5 more completions if he'd thrown the ball with 80% velocity instead of 110%. He was firing rockets at guys who were wide open & it didn't need it to be that hard. In those conditions, bullet passes are hard to hang onto. And the long one to Knox, if he puts some air under that instead of a 40-yard line drive, that's a big play.

[DrDawkinstein]

36 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

0 concern.  Daboll played into the second quarter mishaps.  No reason for a double reverse pass when inside or outside zone would have worked.  They got a little too loose there imo.  That game imo should remind Allen that some passes dont need to be made.  The first pick should have ended up in row 3.  Other 2 happen.  Cole has not been on the field alot the last few weeks it showed on that pass.

 

I feel like a lot of the play calls were based on the idea of "let's see if we catch a break and a defender slips and falls". Which is fine. I get it.

 

When push came to shove and we needed real drives to put the game away, the boys buckled down and Daboll, Josh, and Singletary came through for two long, 12 play, 6-7min, mostly running, drives for TDs in the second half.

[dave mcbride]

35 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Can you point to the times when you felt he should have checked down? 

The bomb to Diggs. Knox was wide open for a 20-yard gain.

[Nextmanup]

4 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

Atlanta seemed to concentrate on blanketing Knox and Beasley and encouraged Allen to push the ball down the field. If so, the Falcons possibly thought it was better to risk the intermediate and long plays in that weather. Combined with Allen's off-day, it appeared to work. 

You bring up the interesting topic of weather, which was not really discussed very much during the game.

 

Was the wind bad?  The last weather report I saw prior to the game called for steady 15MPH wind gusts.

 

And then, very early in the game, Matt Ryan through up a long pass and the wind completely knocked the ball down, to the point of stopping its forward progress...and that would have been going into the wind (scoreboard end).

 

I think the weather may have had more impact on the game than people are talking about, but I wasn't in the stadium.

 

 

[What a Tuel]

36 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The bomb to Diggs. Knox was wide open for a 20-yard gain.

 

The bomb to Diggs was a near catch if Diggs catches it though wasn't it? On 1st down, why not? Not a crazy throw (for Allen anyway)

[Milanos Milano]

Josh still doesn’t have this pretty deep ball connection yet. Seems like Josh always throws long and out of reach. 
 

https://youtu.be/77ZIkSOQZ3U

 

[UKBillFan]

1 hour ago, 947 said:

I think the bigger problem was not throwing based on the conditions. Josh would've had at least 5 more completions if he'd thrown the ball with 80% velocity instead of 110%. He was firing rockets at guys who were wide open & it didn't need it to be that hard. In those conditions, bullet passes are hard to hang onto. And the long one to Knox, if he puts some air under that instead of a 40-yard line drive, that's a big play.

 

It's almost as if Josh was fighting against different conditions - he thought the wind was stronger than it was so put extra weight on the ball?

[Niagara Bill]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

He kept going downfield because the WRs were getting separation in the slippery conditions and were open.

 

The problem was a few tipped balls that turned into INTs (Is Josh too short? Put in Flutie?).

 

NFW, Johnson is better🤣

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

The bomb to Diggs. Knox was wide open for a 20-yard gain.

 

Thanks for pointing one out. Any others?

He did have Knox for a 2 yard pass that likely would have turned into a 6-8 yard gain. There were 2 Falcon defenders 8 yards from Knox (waiting at the 1st down line).

[Einstein]

30 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

The bomb to Diggs was a near catch if Diggs catches it though wasn't it? On 1st down, why not? Not a crazy throw (for Allen anyway)

 

I agree.

 

Diggs had the CB beat and I am more than okay with Allen taking that shot. A better pass and that is a touchdown. As it is, Diggs still got his hands on it.

 

 

[Mat68]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

The bomb to Diggs. Knox was wide open for a 20-yard gain.

Disagree.  Diggs in the endzone 1 on 1.  Is a shot worth taking.

[dave mcbride]

Just now, Mat68 said:

Disagree.  Diggs in the endzone 1 on 1.  Is a shot worth taking.

I'm not necessarily saying it was the wrong call -- you have to throw it down the field on occasion. But Diggs was covered and Knox was wide open and would have gotten the first down. That's all I'm saying.