Inigo Montoya Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Jets' Nation is aflame right now after their 0-3 start. It's not just the losing, but the way they are losing. I don't think anyone expected Wilson to come out and light it up like Mahomes did, but Wilson really has looked bad. The lack of an O-Line isn't doing him any favors either. It looks like this year's O-Line for the Jets may be worse than last year's, and that is saying something. It's way too early to say that Wilson is a bust, but even when Josh was a rookie and the Bills were struggling to win games, Josh was making plays, leading the offense, and Josh was at the heart of anything good that the offense did. Josh wasn't taking the league by storm his rookie season, but you could see that the guy was a baller and that he had a ceiling that he wasn't anywhere close to reaching yet. Josh flashed almost every game and teased what he was capable of that rookie season. Watching Wilson play, you just don't get that sense. Wilson just isn't playing well and he's not flashing. He's getting hammered behind an inept O-Line, he has happy feet, and he is throwing picks Through three games Wilson has thrown for 2 TDs, 7 INTs, and has been sacked 15 times. Even if Wilson just needs some time to develop, it looks like the Jets are doing their best Sam Darnold re-run and providing Wilson with zero support. For a franchise that has had so much draft capital and tons of cap space, the team they have put around Wilson this year is pitiful. This has to be Joe Douglas' last season. Josh didn't win much his first season but he played well enough to give people hope that he could turn into a real NFL QB. So far with Wilson that's not the case. It looks like the new Jets GM will have a big decision on what to do with that first overall pick next year... 4 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) Wilson looks way way way overmatched. I do not look at him and see a QB. If he wasn’t a high pick, he might be on his way to bagging groceries before November 1. And they do not have a legit backup. That franchise is a cluster. Josh looked like an amazing athlete with zero weapons and very raw rookie talent in year 1. He was not ready and polished but he gave us reason to hope. Wilson not so much. Edited September 27, 2021 by Sundancer 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 The Jets are a model of how not to run an organization. The fact that Darnold is now doing pretty well, should be evidence enough that they aren't doing something or many things properly. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Delicious. I loathe Jets fans almost more than Pats fans. 2 2 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) Zach Wilson beat out Geno Smith for most INTs for a Jets QB in their first 3 games today. Zach Wilson is currently the most sacked QB in the NFL with 15 sacks. Edited September 27, 2021 by jeremy2020 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Wilson is a bust. Worst QB in the class. I’ve been saying it since draft day. His mother is smokeshow though. So he’s got that going for him which is pretty nice 2 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Brennan Huff said: Wilson is a bust. Worst QB in the class. I’ve been saying it since draft day. His mother is smokeshow though. So he’s got that going for him which is pretty nice 1 minute ago, Brennan Huff said: Wilson is a bust. Worst QB in the class. I’ve been saying it since draft day. His mother is smokeshow though. So he’s got that going for him which is pretty nice Overhyped by New York MEDIA. I agree a bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: Wilson is a bust. Worst QB in the class. I’ve been saying it since draft day. His mother is smokeshow though. So he’s got that going for him which is pretty nice 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Has he seen any ghosts yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 He should of never seen the field this year. They should of let Darnold take these lumps or signed someone. Him and Lawrence both look completely lost right now. But Wilson at times looks like he’s never really played quarterback before. It’s like seeing that poor Denver receiver last year getting thrown in the fire. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Wilson actually has better Wr's than Josh did, but Wilson's Oline might be worse. I watched about 10 plays toady and he had wide open receivers and bounced the football at their feet. It's still early, but he looks lost. Hopefully he does not have a connection to Jordan Palmer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 The kid isn't getting much help right now. He's made a few throws that make you recognize there is talent there. He'll get better I just don't think it'll matter because...Josh Allen will rule his world 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 They’re gonna get that kid killed. The whole offense is a dumpster fire, and the organization is utter trash. Darnold is all smiles now that he isn’t part of that disaster 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I almost feel bad for the kid. He's gonna get permanently shellshocked and end up on the David Carr career trajectory if they don't let him sit and digest some stuff while they build up that roster a bit. He has no chance right now. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: Jets' Nation is aflame right now after their 0-3 start. It's not just the losing, but the way they are losing. I don't think anyone expected Wilson to come out and light it up like Mahomes did, but Wilson really has looked bad. The lack of an O-Line isn't doing him any favors either. It looks like this year's O-Line for the Jets may be worse than last year's, and that is saying something. It's way too early to say that Wilson is a bust, but even when Josh was a rookie and the Bills were struggling to win games, Josh was making plays, leading the offense, and Josh was at the heart of anything good that the offense did. Josh wasn't taking the league by storm his rookie season, but you could see that the guy was a baller and that he had a ceiling that he wasn't anywhere close to reaching yet. Josh flashed almost every game and teased what he was capable of that rookie season. Watching Wilson play, you just don't get that sense. Wilson just isn't playing well and he's not flashing. He's getting hammered behind an inept O-Line, he has happy feet, and he is throwing picks Through three games Wilson has thrown for 2 TDs, 7 INTs, and has been sacked 15 times. Even if Wilson just needs some time to develop, it looks like the Jets are doing their best Sam Darnold re-run and providing Wilson with zero support. For a franchise that has had so much draft capital and tons of cap space, the team they have put around Wilson this year is pitiful. This has to be Joe Douglas' last season. Josh didn't win much his first season but he played well enough to give people hope that he could turn into a real NFL QB. So far with Wilson that's not the case. It looks like the new Jets GM will have a big decision on what to do with that first overall pick next year... I see your point but don’t think it’s an apt comparison for a few reasons. You mentioned the Jets are an absolute dumpster fire which is true. However, Josh is a Big Ol Country boy. A Man’s man when it comes to measurables. Zack is slight of build. He’s not built to take the beating he’s taking whereas Josh was not only built for it but was out there putting his body on the line repeatedly and loving it. The human in me feels bad for the kid but the Bills fan in me LOVES watching the Jets jet. Sam Darnold not looking like such a bum after all. Edited September 27, 2021 by Buffalo Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Josh had no talent around him and had no idea how to play the game for his first few games. The best thing that helped him was sitting out a few games and watching guys with a quarter his physical talent. Josh is a supreme physical athlete but Zach is just a normal QB physically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailgateChef Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, CLTbills said: Delicious. I loathe Jets fans almost more than Pats fans. I definitely despise Jets fans more. At the Stadium, they're the most obnoxious, aggressive douchebags. They deserve decades of lousy QB play. Edited September 27, 2021 by TailgateChef 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I have zero love for the Jets and as an organization I wish nothing but the worst for them. But Boy Band has been set up to fail. Jets didn't even bother to have a vet QB on the roster to act as a mentor. He's being fed to the NFL wolves. Regrettably his QB coach was tragically killed while riding a bike this past summer. And say what you want about the Jets OL but they've been without Becton who by all accounts looks like a beast. Comparing Boy Band's rookie year to Josh's doesn't seem fair to me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 55 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said: Jets' Nation is aflame right now after their 0-3 start. It's not just the losing, but the way they are losing. I don't think anyone expected Wilson to come out and light it up like Mahomes did, but Wilson really has looked bad. The lack of an O-Line isn't doing him any favors either. It looks like this year's O-Line for the Jets may be worse than last year's, and that is saying something. It's way too early to say that Wilson is a bust, but even when Josh was a rookie and the Bills were struggling to win games, Josh was making plays, leading the offense, and Josh was at the heart of anything good that the offense did. Josh wasn't taking the league by storm his rookie season, but you could see that the guy was a baller and that he had a ceiling that he wasn't anywhere close to reaching yet. Josh flashed almost every game and teased what he was capable of that rookie season. Watching Wilson play, you just don't get that sense. Wilson just isn't playing well and he's not flashing. He's getting hammered behind an inept O-Line, he has happy feet, and he is throwing picks Through three games Wilson has thrown for 2 TDs, 7 INTs, and has been sacked 15 times. Even if Wilson just needs some time to develop, it looks like the Jets are doing their best Sam Darnold re-run and providing Wilson with zero support. For a franchise that has had so much draft capital and tons of cap space, the team they have put around Wilson this year is pitiful. This has to be Joe Douglas' last season. Josh didn't win much his first season but he played well enough to give people hope that he could turn into a real NFL QB. So far with Wilson that's not the case. It looks like the new Jets GM will have a big decision on what to do with that first overall pick next year... I haven’t watched him much this season but in the preseason he looked good and made Tyler Kroft look like an All-Pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 35 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Zach Wilson beat out Geno Smith for most INTs for a Jets QB in their first 3 games today. Zach Wilson is currently the most sacked QB in the NFL with 15 sacks. Give Justin Fields another couple games... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 39 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: Wilson is a bust. Worst QB in the class. I’ve been saying it since draft day. His mother is smokeshow though. So he’s got that going for him which is pretty nice We are only 3 games into the season and we already want to call everyone a bust. Fields and Wilson are working on teams without much talent and will take a few years to have the right cast. Give them the time to grow and mature in the NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 43 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: Wilson is a bust. Worst QB in the class. I’ve been saying it since draft day. His mother is smokeshow though. So he’s got that going for him which is pretty nice I had to look that up. Phew, I'd say so. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Robert Salah is looking like a fish out of water as an HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I had to look that up. Phew, I'd say so. That looks like a walk of shame snapshot. 😂 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said: Jets' Nation is aflame right now after their 0-3 start. It's not just the losing, but the way they are losing. I don't think anyone expected Wilson to come out and light it up like Mahomes did, but Wilson really has looked bad. The lack of an O-Line isn't doing him any favors either. It looks like this year's O-Line for the Jets may be worse than last year's, and that is saying something. It's way too early to say that Wilson is a bust, but even when Josh was a rookie and the Bills were struggling to win games, Josh was making plays, leading the offense, and Josh was at the heart of anything good that the offense did. Josh wasn't taking the league by storm his rookie season, but you could see that the guy was a baller and that he had a ceiling that he wasn't anywhere close to reaching yet. Josh flashed almost every game and teased what he was capable of that rookie season. Watching Wilson play, you just don't get that sense. Wilson just isn't playing well and he's not flashing. He's getting hammered behind an inept O-Line, he has happy feet, and he is throwing picks Through three games Wilson has thrown for 2 TDs, 7 INTs, and has been sacked 15 times. Even if Wilson just needs some time to develop, it looks like the Jets are doing their best Sam Darnold re-run and providing Wilson with zero support. For a franchise that has had so much draft capital and tons of cap space, the team they have put around Wilson this year is pitiful. This has to be Joe Douglas' last season. Josh didn't win much his first season but he played well enough to give people hope that he could turn into a real NFL QB. So far with Wilson that's not the case. It looks like the new Jets GM will have a big decision on what to do with that first overall pick next year... I love Allen and wanted him to be the QB they drafted. I didn't like Wilson coming out of college and still think Trey Lance will be the best QB from that class - even over Trevor Lawrence. Of course I was high on Justin Fields too and he looks putrid so far. Your memory is a bit foggy. Allen was really bad before he got hurt. Even after he got hurt and came back he was still not good. His completion percentage in 2018 was 52.8%. There were many many people on this board that had already written him off. They won't admit it now of course. He flashed for his running ability not his ability as a passer in 2018. The difference you feel between the two, is Allen has physical tools that only 2 or 3 other QBs in the league have. Allen's degree of improvement had never been seen in the NFL before. The closest comparison in playing style and career arc is probably John Elway - only Elway took longer to develop as a QB. When I look at Wilson I don't see a dynamic player. Wilson reminds me of Kirk Cousins. He might be good but ultimately he is physically limited. That said I didn't see Mahommes being this good either so let's just sit back and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said: Jets' Nation is aflame right now after their 0-3 start. It's not just the losing, but the way they are losing. I don't think anyone expected Wilson to come out and light it up like Mahomes did, but Wilson really has looked bad. The lack of an O-Line isn't doing him any favors either. It looks like this year's O-Line for the Jets may be worse than last year's, and that is saying something. It's way too early to say that Wilson is a bust, but even when Josh was a rookie and the Bills were struggling to win games, Josh was making plays, leading the offense, and Josh was at the heart of anything good that the offense did. Josh wasn't taking the league by storm his rookie season, but you could see that the guy was a baller and that he had a ceiling that he wasn't anywhere close to reaching yet. Josh flashed almost every game and teased what he was capable of that rookie season. Watching Wilson play, you just don't get that sense. Wilson just isn't playing well and he's not flashing. He's getting hammered behind an inept O-Line, he has happy feet, and he is throwing picks Through three games Wilson has thrown for 2 TDs, 7 INTs, and has been sacked 15 times. Even if Wilson just needs some time to develop, it looks like the Jets are doing their best Sam Darnold re-run and providing Wilson with zero support. For a franchise that has had so much draft capital and tons of cap space, the team they have put around Wilson this year is pitiful. This has to be Joe Douglas' last season. Josh didn't win much his first season but he played well enough to give people hope that he could turn into a real NFL QB. So far with Wilson that's not the case. It looks like the new Jets GM will have a big decision on what to do with that first overall pick next year... I remember when Mel Kiper was hyping Josh before his draft year so I caught the Wyoming Iowa game. He had a play where it looked like the entire Iowa defensive line broke through their blocks and he literally shook off every single sack attempt on him and still got a pass off to the end zone and I remember thinking hey this kid maybe something…..having seen a few of Wilson’s BYU games I saw nothing at all that showed me top five NFL potential…like zero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ColoradoBills Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: That looks like a walk of shame snapshot. 😂 She does seem to be a little............naughty from what I just read. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Big difference sitting for a year behind Alex Smith vs thrown into the swamps of Joisey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said: Even if Wilson just needs some time to develop, it looks like the Jets are doing their best Sam Darnold re-run and providing Wilson with zero support. For a franchise that has had so much draft capital and tons of cap space, the team they have put around Wilson this year is pitiful. This has to be Joe Douglas' last season. He sounds like Wrong Josh II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 46 minutes ago, ganesh said: We are only 3 games into the season and we already want to call everyone a bust. Fields and Wilson are working on teams without much talent and will take a few years to have the right cast. Give them the time to grow and mature in the NFL Josh had zero talent around him and showed plenty of flashes his rookie season to be fair...but yea its def too early still. Dude made Robert foster look like an all pro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Wilson has no elite weapons, a bad offensive line, a rookie Head Coach, no run game. It’s not going to look good. Remember Allen’s game against Green Bay. He may prove to be too erratic, but the Jets haven’t been able to flip their skill position players in one off-season. Fields took 8 sacks today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, May Day 10 said: Better than what? P5t5rman gives DB interception practice. Maybe Wilson will give defense linemen sacking practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said: Jets' Nation is aflame right now after their 0-3 start. It's not just the losing, but the way they are losing. I don't think anyone expected Wilson to come out and light it up like Mahomes did, but Wilson really has looked bad. The lack of an O-Line isn't doing him any favors either. It looks like this year's O-Line for the Jets may be worse than last year's, and that is saying something. It's way too early to say that Wilson is a bust, but even when Josh was a rookie and the Bills were struggling to win games, Josh was making plays, leading the offense, and Josh was at the heart of anything good that the offense did. Josh wasn't taking the league by storm his rookie season, but you could see that the guy was a baller and that he had a ceiling that he wasn't anywhere close to reaching yet. Josh flashed almost every game and teased what he was capable of that rookie season. Watching Wilson play, you just don't get that sense. Wilson just isn't playing well and he's not flashing. He's getting hammered behind an inept O-Line, he has happy feet, and he is throwing picks Through three games Wilson has thrown for 2 TDs, 7 INTs, and has been sacked 15 times. Even if Wilson just needs some time to develop, it looks like the Jets are doing their best Sam Darnold re-run and providing Wilson with zero support. For a franchise that has had so much draft capital and tons of cap space, the team they have put around Wilson this year is pitiful. This has to be Joe Douglas' last season. Josh didn't win much his first season but he played well enough to give people hope that he could turn into a real NFL QB. So far with Wilson that's not the case. It looks like the new Jets GM will have a big decision on what to do with that first overall pick next year... Like most sequels, this is going to end worst than the first for the Jets 😁😁😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Good thread, I agree he looks rough. He's got some weapons, they've definitely been trying with the draft and FA's but it looks like Mims might also be a bust. Elijah Moore is already hurt and I remember many on here interested in him. They keep drafting backs but none of them really do anything. Seems like they've pretty much given up on Perine already. It's a poorly managed team perhaps but Wilson still looks awful. And hey if you're looking for a cherry for that Zach Wilson might be a bust sundae, Mac Jones also looks bad. And if you want another cherry, there's Tua. It's nice being in the AFC East right now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Rc2catch said: He should of never seen the field this year. They should of let Darnold take these lumps or signed someone. Him and Lawrence both look completely lost right now. But Wilson at times looks like he’s never really played quarterback before. It’s like seeing that poor Denver receiver last year getting thrown in the fire. That flee flicker attempt from Lawrence was hysterical. I still think Lawrence turns out to being a bust. 2 hours ago, May Day 10 said: That hasn’t aged very well lol. Wonder what his opinion is now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 None of the rookie QBs have been impressive up to this point. Mac Jones has probably been the most impressive but only by default and he was pretty bad today too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: Wilson is a bust. Worst QB in the class. I’ve been saying it since draft day. His mother is smokeshow though. So he’s got that going for him which is pretty nice I've never been able to tell which one if his mom and which is his GF. They look eerily similar. 3 hours ago, Doc said: Give Justin Fields another couple games... At his current rate, he'd just need 1 more.. if he survives that long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 Trevor Lawrence and Zach Wilson were drafted high by teams that were the worst in the league , whereas Mahomes and JA were drafted by decent teams that traded up for them, so they both were coming into much better team talent situations. Also, Trevor and Zach are both with rookie head coaches which certainly does not help 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 1 hour ago, ticketssince61 said: Mahomes and JA were drafted by decent teams that traded up for them, Decent teams, and decent organizations. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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