Bills cuts to get to 53 [final info in the OP]

[The Wiz]

Without Webb, allen is going to go from racing to doing a sad walk at the end of practice. 

 

That's going to hurt us in the long run.  We gotta keep him. 

[vincec]

4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I don’t see that as the question.  Breida is a clear RB3 right? Assume he’s on the roster 

This is apparently true but I don’t really get it. McKenzie was fine on those sweeps and gadget plays and Brieda didn’t show much out of the backfield in the preseason.

[3rdand12]

5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

A legit little birdie tells me that Taiwan is staying in Buffalo.

load up with birdshot then.

 

 jk

1 minute ago, vincec said:

This is apparently true but I don’t really get it. McKenzie was fine on those sweeps and gadget plays and Brieda didn’t show much out of the backfield in the preseason.

Rather have Mc he has become a worthwhile #5 WR and does returns. and gadget player already proven

 

[Mark Vader]

24 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

What incentive would he have to sign that contract mid season - unless you are offering him big time money?

 

He took this gig to get a chance to learn in a low pressure environment and see what Josh does as a leader to help himself.

 

He has already showed that he has picked up a lot of ability at reading defenses and making good reads if you give him options and more importantly he is learning what kinds of throws to make in specific situations.

 

In Chicago - he was over drafted and the coaching staff has shown themselves to be very poor at leadership as just look at the number of QBs that have gone through and not one has looked effective.  Now you have another guy in Dalton that looks worse in that offensive scheme than he did in Dallas after taking over and significantly worse than Cincinnati.  
 

I think if Daboll leaves and goes to a couple of different places like Minnesota or Denver where they have a nice WR room, but are lacking a QB - Mitch could come in and make that team instantly better.  As a QB - he had a winning record in Chicago, lead them to multiple playoff appearances, and had a positive TD to Int ratio.  He couldn’t live up to his draft position, but he was never as bad as they thought.

 

 

Just something I'm hoping for.....that's all.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

19 minutes ago, vincec said:

This is apparently true but I don’t really get it. McKenzie was fine on those sweeps and gadget plays and Brieda didn’t show much out of the backfield in the preseason.

He showed a lot in frisco… I see him as a nice add. Mckenzie is odd to me. They only used him for gadget plays, then when he got more snaps and KR duty vs Miami he scored like 4 or 5 touchdowns 

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Green Lightning said:

Point being is that coaching matters. Trubisky had bad coaches and a bad scheme. I can see him starting in the league with a team that gives him the right support and scheme.

All you have to do is look at who Nagy is starting in the first game... Andy Dalton over Justin Fields.

 

CLEARLY Nagy lacks the ability to manage quarterbacks... everyone is calling it a bonehead decision and the players SEE how much better Fields looks...

[letsgoteam]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If losing Daryl means keeping Efe, sign me up.

Its kinda like a trade. Daryl for Efe and a 6th rounder. 

 

If you look at it that way, its a no brainer. Wish ole Bam the best. Just remember the tides and ocean currents are strong. It may just bring Bam back around somday.

[JMF2006]

11 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

All you have to do is look at who Nagy is starting in the first game... Andy Dalton over Justin Fields.

 

CLEARLY Nagy lacks the ability to manage quarterbacks... everyone is calling it a bonehead decision and the players SEE how much better Fields looks...

 

The thing is its hard to bench the kid if he sputters.

 

Benching Andy D after 10 games and 2-8 record wouldn't be a big deal

[Bangarang]

19 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

All you have to do is look at who Nagy is starting in the first game... Andy Dalton over Justin Fields.

 

CLEARLY Nagy lacks the ability to manage quarterbacks... everyone is calling it a bonehead decision and the players SEE how much better Fields looks...

Fields should probably start but you do so with the understanding that he’s likely not going to be very good and the team will struggle because of it. They just don’t have the weapons or online capable of protecting him well.
 

It’s impossible to get excited or confident with Dalton as your starting QB. You just have to hope that Fields progresses and gives you hope for next season. 

Edited August 30, 2021 by Bangarang

[JMF2006]

3 minutes ago, letsgoteam said:

Its kinda like a trade. Daryl for Efe and a 6th rounder. 

 

If you look at it that way, its a no brainer. Wish ole Bam the best. Just remember the tides and ocean currents are strong. It may just bring Bam back around somday.

 

I like your way of thinking  

 

We won that trade big time  

[Punching Bag]

59 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I agree. Fromm clearly outperformed Webb.

 

A blind man could see that

 

Sure JakeFrommStateFarm. I am sure CharlottesWebb would have a different unbiased position.

[BobbyC81]

Has anyone been tracking where the team is at in numbers remaining to cutdown?

[nucci]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Then it’s probably because he want to sign somewhere else 🤷‍♂️ 

yeah, I get that

[Orlando Tim]

20 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Fields should probably start but you do so with the understanding that he’s likely not going to be very good and the team will struggle because of it. They just don’t have the weapons or online capable of protecting him well.
 

It’s impossible to get excited or confident with Dalton as your starting QB. You just have to hope that Fields progresses and gives you hope for next season. 

If Nagy was in his first year he would start Fields and let him learn this year, like Josh or Manning way back when, but he has to show better than 8-9 or else he will be fired and someone else can use Fields next year. Dalton gives them the best chance week one though Fields give the best chance week 16 if he starts early 

[nucci]

23 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

 

The thing is its hard to bench the kid if he sputters.

 

Benching Andy D after 10 games and 2-8 record wouldn't be a big deal

he gets fired if he's 2-8 

[Green Lightning]

34 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

All you have to do is look at who Nagy is starting in the first game... Andy Dalton over Justin Fields.

 

CLEARLY Nagy lacks the ability to manage quarterbacks... everyone is calling it a bonehead decision and the players SEE how much better Fields looks...

He's playing for his job and doesn't have the nerve to put his job in the hands of a rook.  Scared money.  I don't see how he keeps the gig after this year. His offenses are putrid. 

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

Point being is that coaching matters. Trubisky had bad coaches and a bad scheme. I can see him starting in the league with a team that gives him the right support and scheme.

 

Sure it matters, but the 'turnaround' stories are still rare. The vast majority of players who are bad under good or bad coaching don't turn it around under different coaching later in their careers. 

 

Allen is still a strange case to make as he's only ever been under one coaching staff. 

Edited August 30, 2021 by jeremy2020

[turftoe]

26 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

Has anyone been tracking where the team is at in numbers remaining to cutdown?

77

24 more cuts by tomorrow 

[MJS]

7 pages of non-cuts. Come on, people.

[Niagara Bill]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

7 pages of non-cuts. Come on, people.

7 +...be precise.

[Augie]

40 minutes ago, turftoe said:

77

24 more cuts by tomorrow 

 

I must say, I prefer the old days of gradual cut downs, but at least we have a two week break. It’s going to be CHAOS to have so many people available all at once.

 

I trust our FO to scout this better than most, and while I suspect other teams sign more of our guys than we pick up, I could see us finding at least one gem in this mess. Maybe a CB???

 

 

.

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by Augie

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, MJS said:

7 pages of non-cuts. Come on, people.

I Feel You, but we either come in with a machete or let it go

[PrimeTime101]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I Feel You, but we either come in with a machete or let it go

when it comes to hot topics like this? I think I would prefer a machete. just saying lol

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

when it comes to hot topics like this? I think I would prefer a machete. just saying lol

 

I think it’s a situation that people keep checking, but you can’t report or discuss the news…….until you have the news. I keep checking myself, I can’t help it.   🤷‍♀️

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think it’s a situation that people keep checking, but you can’t report or discuss the news…….until you have the news. I keep checking myself, I can’t help it.   🤷‍♀️

 

Tell you guys what, I just updated the OP to link Sal Capaccio's spreadsheet that he seems to be updating, and to add other transactions.

Unless @YoloinOhio gets mad and hurts me, maybe that will help by putting the current info right up front in the first post. 

Works?

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Tell you guys what, I just updated the OP to link Sal Capaccio's spreadsheet that he seems to be updating, and to add other transactions.

Unless @YoloinOhio gets mad and hurts me, maybe that will help by putting the current info right up front in the first post. 

Works?

Thank you - will try to keep updated tomorrow in between my high level business meetings 

[PrimeTime101]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Tell you guys what, I just updated the OP to link Sal Capaccio's spreadsheet that he seems to be updating, and to add other transactions.

Unless @YoloinOhio gets mad and hurts me, maybe that will help by putting the current info right up front in the first post. 

Works?

I think for news like this, it would help if the main post was updated on cuts. this is spot on.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I agree. Fromm clearly outperformed Webb.

 

A blind man could see that

 

OK, will give you credit for clever name!

 

Webb was given very little to work with against Green Bay.  Even Chi game, he didn't get much PT except with scrubs in the game.  1st game against Lions Webb out-preformed. 

 

I think there's also a very good chance the Bills feel they know what they have in Webb so didn't even bother giving him any meaningful snaps past two games.  Also may be they want him on their PS so don't give him anything to generate interest from other teams.

 

With Fromm may have been they felt, give the kid a chance and showcase him to other teams, thanks him a bit for what he dealt with last season.

 

 

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

I must say, I prefer the old days of gradual cut downs, but at least we have a two week break. It’s going to be CHAOS to have so many people available all at once.

 

I trust our FO to scout this better than most, and while I suspect other teams sign more of our guys than we pick up, I could see us finding at least one gem in this mess. Maybe a CB???

 

 

.

 

 

On the other hand this will make for a rather boring Labor Day weekend.

Edited August 31, 2021 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[akcash]

F5

[goober]

26 minutes ago, akcash said:

F5

Ha, right.  Maybe somebody has some good quick noodle recipes they could share here.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, goober said:

Ha, right.  Maybe somebody has some good quick noodle recipes they could share here.

 

Waiting for B.A.D. (Beane After Dark) to get going

F5

 

But since you asked:

https://thesaltymarshmallow.com/thai-peanut-ramen-noodles/

I like some lime juice in it.  I don't care for the added sugar.  And IMHO it's important to use PB that's just peanuts and salt.

[BobbyC81]

9 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

He’s tailor made for a practice squad spot. 

I wonder if they could make him assistant QBs coach and then if he’s needed they could activate him?  They probably have rules against it, like needing to announce retirement or something.

[stevewin]

Does Beane finalize a trade for Fromm at 3:45 am?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

27 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Does Beane finalize a trade for Fromm at 3:45 am?

 

Stay up or wake up to it

[Ethan in Cleveland]

26 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Does Beane finalize a trade for Fromm at 3:45 am?

If you are another GM, what do you give up for Fromm?  He was drafted in the fifth round.  By all reports he does not have a NFL caliber arm.  A seventh?  At best he is a 3rd string QB.  I'd have no issue giving up a 7th round pick for a QB project. Not sure I would go much higher than that and I would instead take my chnaces he gets released.  

[eball]

20 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

If you are another GM, what do you give up for Fromm?  He was drafted in the fifth round.  By all reports he does not have a NFL caliber arm.  A seventh?  At best he is a 3rd string QB.  I'd have no issue giving up a 7th round pick for a QB project. Not sure I would go much higher than that and I would instead take my chnaces he gets released.  

Fromm is a cut and resign to the PS. Anything else and I’d be shocked. 

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, BobbyC81 said:

I wonder if they could make him assistant QBs coach and then if he’s needed they could activate him?  They probably have rules against it, like needing to announce retirement or something.

They could; you just don’t see it cause assistant QB coaches make very little compared to a PS player. He would just have to sign anywhere. He’ll be a coach of that I’m certain. But while he still can “play” it makes way more sense for HIM to be on a team as a player in any capacity. 

[Buffalo03]

14 hours ago, Blainorama5 said:

WHEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know. I was worried 

[CorkScrewHill]

5 hours ago, stevewin said:

Does Beane finalize a trade for Fromm at 3:45 am?

Conversation at 3:45 am

Beane: “what are you wearing Jake Fromm”

 

Jake:“khakis”

 

Beane: “great you are getting on a flight to Ny .. you are a Jet”

 

Jake: “That sounds hideous”

 

Beane: “well yeah .. it’s the Jets”

[Rochesterfan]

6 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

I wonder if they could make him assistant QBs coach and then if he’s needed they could activate him?  They probably have rules against it, like needing to announce retirement or something.

 

The NFL has rules against this to prevent teams from hiding players.  
 

Denver wanted to activate the QB quality control coach last year when all the QBs were placed on COVID and the NFL wouldn’t allow it.

 

There was a nice article about it - I will try to find it - but basically it was done in the past as a way to pay players and not lose them, but keep them on the team and the NFL banned it.

 

Edit:

https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/?p=651317

 

Not the original article, but mentions the rule in here.

 

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by Rochesterfan