aceman_16 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I predict 2 more trades for later rounds to help with the cut down....make it happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Just a friendly reminder about waivers https://dknation.draftkings.com/nfl/2021/8/30/22648201/nfl-waiver-wire-rules-2021-which-team-has-top-priority-claims-order ^ compares NFL waivers/ cuts vs fantasy football, but a good overview Quote Who goes through waivers? Players with less than four years of accrued service time are subject to waivers. A player with at least four years of accrued service time, referred to as a “vested veteran” immediately becomes a free agent and is eligible to sign with any other team. So during cut downs, younger players you want to stash on the PS (still 16 slots) and not be subject to waivers are 'kept on the 53' at cut down. To do so, you may need to cut a veteran with 4+ accrued seasons, with a 'gentleman's agreement' that they will be brought back after the younger players are assigned to the PS. As a Free agent the vested veteran decides where they go to, and are not subject to a 'first claim' through the waiver process. Over the Cap shows Jacob Hollister with 4 accrued seasons and is thus not subject to waivers. Making this more confusing are the rules about when a player is put on PUP/IR and if or when they are eligible to come back during the season. I have a feeling Hollister is very much in line with the Roberts type of move of last year, especially given how few TEs are actually on the roster. Edited August 31, 2021 by ThurmanThomasEnglishMuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said: Cam Newton released :0 WHOA!? I didn't even know he was on the Bills! Crazy, not sure how I missed that 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: I predict 2 more trades for later rounds to help with the cut down....make it happen! Or maybe trade for a depth TE or CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: WHOA!? I didn't even know he was on the Bills! Crazy, not sure how I missed that He might be after we trade Trubisky for 9 first round picks. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: Or maybe trade for a depth TE or CB. Yeah...either way. It is just so refreshing looking forward to see what the front office does versus getting prepared to defend their decisions as in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 58 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Yes, I actually posted on the generic scenario and agreed with the Sweeney IR likelihood upthread. Your tone did not make sense to me, but understandable if you were ignorant concerning the other TE cuts. I like Becker, so I hope we bring him back to PS. I'm conflicted bc I'm fully in the Hollister is just a guy camp but that TE depth is scary thin so I'm hopeful (and pretty sure as you state) he will be back. I'm guessing the 2 TEs is with idea Gilliam will serve as the emergency and 3rd TE. 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: right on cue lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: Dee Virgin was cut by the Patriots, formerly a Texan. However it is rumored that Deshuan Watson has declared that he will not play unless the Texans get him Dee Virgin. Nobody really knows why he wants Dee Virgin, but I guess it makes him happy. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 On 8/30/2021 at 12:21 PM, Bangarang said: I bet Bobby Hart is going to be one of the last players cut just to mess with me. Beane is a mean person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Good. I think he's Bam Johnsons replacement. Maybe it's because I'm an ardent advocate for modern usage of the FB but I think that having the option does far more for our offense than an extra body on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, section122 said: I'm conflicted bc I'm fully in the Hollister is just a guy camp but that TE depth is scary thin so I'm hopeful (and pretty sure as you state) he will be back. I'm guessing the 2 TEs is with idea Gilliam will serve as the emergency and 3rd TE. right on cue lol Don't forget Spencer Brown in the Lee Smith role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 35 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: Dee Virgin was cut by the Patriots, formerly a Texan. However it is rumored that Deshuan Watson has declared that he will not play unless the Texans get him Dee Virgin. Nobody really knows why he wants Dee Virgin, but I guess it makes him happy. I am calling BS on the Dee Virgin-Deshaun Watson linking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Don't know what to make of this. Gilliam looks like a good football player, but where does he get listed on the roster? Fullback or Tight End? If he's a Fullback, is he on the RB depth chart? Since he's a good special teams player, does that mean he will be active every week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Don't forget Spencer Brown in the Lee Smith role He is more athletic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I am calling BS on the Dee Virgin-Deshaun Watson linking Dee Virgin just got deflowered. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: Don't know what to make of this. Gilliam looks like a good football player, but where does he get listed on the roster? Fullback or Tight End? If he's a Fullback, is he on the RB depth chart? Since he's a good special teams player, does that mean he will be active every week? He is officially listed as a FB on the Bills which I agree with. He can line up at TE but at 6'1" he is a little small to be a true TE. Big Model Swiss Army Knife. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: WHOA!? I didn't even know he was on the Bills! Crazy, not sure how I missed that C'mon... former Panther. Obviously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Don't know what to make of this. Gilliam looks like a good football player, but where does he get listed on the roster? Fullback or Tight End? If he's a Fullback, is he on the RB depth chart? Since he's a good special teams player, does that mean he will be active every week? Does it really matter where he is listed? He was listed as a TE last year and blocked a lot as a FB/HB and was active on Special Teams most weeks once they got him active. He is multipositional and will do whatever is needed - a perfect fit for this roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: I'm perfectly fine with Bass kicking in the end zone every kick off and we shouldn't be punting too much. You really shouldn't need more than Neal, Kumerow, Smith, and Matakevich as ST aces. A strong ST unit translates into good field position which translates into more trips to the red zone. We certainly benefitted from that last season. At least on paper, it doesn't look like we're going to start on ST as strong as last season, even with Jones. It's easy for fans to undervalue special teams, but it's a lot more than just kicking into the end zone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Not sayin they sign Cam, but he's an ex Panther that just spent the off-season reading NEs playbook. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just passing the info on the timing of adds from cut lists. Nothing more, please do not make it anything more 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Coffeesforclosers said: Not sayin they sign Cam, but he's an ex Panther that just spent the off-season reading NEs playbook. their is no way they carry 3 QBs on the roster so i doubt they sign cam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: Just passing the info on the timing of adds from cut lists. Nothing more, please do not make it anything more All teams will have a 3 day "bye" so small impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: A strong ST unit translates into good field position which translates into more trips to the red zone. We certainly benefitted from that last season. At least on paper, it doesn't look like we're going to start on ST as strong as last season, even with Jones. It's easy for fans to undervalue special teams, but it's a lot more than just kicking into the end zone. 70% of Bass Kickoffs were touchbacks last season. It could be even higher this year. One of Haack's pluses is his hang time which is directly proportionate to more fair catches. Fans are not undervaluing STs it's just a fact in todays NFL and looking like a planned scheme by our Bills. It's the Bills potent offense that will give them field advantage this year (just like last year). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: All teams will have a 3 day "bye" so small impact. True, but can really hurt in season though if you think about it 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 So the depth chart as it stands now: WR - Emmanuel Sanders, Gabriel Davis, Isaiah Hodgins LT - Dion Dawkins, Spencer Brown, Tommy Doyle LG -Jon Feliciano, Jordan Devey C - Mitch Morse, Ryan Bates RG - Cody Ford, Ike Boettger RT - Daryl Williams, Bobby Hart TE - Dawson Knox, Tommy Sweeney QB - Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky, Davis Webb, Jake Fromm RB - Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, Matt Breida, Taiwan Jones, Christian Wade (roster exemption) FB - Reggie Gilliam WR - Cole Beasley, Isaiah McKenzie WR - Stefon Diggs, Jake Kumerow, Marquez Stevenson Offense - 31 (counting Wade) LDE - Jerry Hughes, Greg Rousseau, Efe Obada DT - Ed Oliver, Justin Zimmer, Brandin Bryant, Treyvon Hester DT - Star Lotulelei, Vernon Butler, Harrison Phillips RDE - Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Mike Love MLB - Tremaine Edmunds, Tyrel Dodson, Tyler Matakevich, Marquel Lee WLB - Matt Milano, A.J. Klein, Andre Smith, Joe Giles-Harris NCB - Taron Johnson, Siran Neal CB - Tre'Davious White, Rachad Wildgoose, Nick McCloud CB - Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Olaijah Griffin S - Jordan Poyer, Damar Hamlin S - Micah Hyde, Jaquan Johnson Defense - 34 Special Teams - 3 Total - 68 (counting Wade) Looks like defense and QBs have the next round of cuts 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 F5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, FlaFitz1 said: Watch Beane flip Carolina's 6th for Njoku - he makes $6 million this year and is a FA next year. Much cheaper than what they would have to give up for Ertz and his $12.7 million this season. Ertz would only cost us his salary, $8.5M. Njoku $6.013M, as you said. IMO both of those are too expensive this year, though they could jigger things around to fit one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 oh man these next 15 cuts are going to hurt more and more (well besides Bobby Hart) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Not sayin they sign Cam, but he's an ex Panther that just spent the off-season reading NEs playbook. He and Beasley can hang out together. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Beast said: No need for Cam Lewis when we have OJ Wildgoose. I've never wanted a player to succeed as much I want Wildgoose to...there's just too much potential there "THE GOOSE IS LOOSE!" "HONK HONK HONK" "THAT GOOSE IS WILD" "HE MAY BE THE WILDGOOSE, BUT HE COOKED THAT GUY'S GOOSE ON THAT PLAY!" Edited August 31, 2021 by jeremy2020 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Why do I have a strange feeling that Bobby Hart is going to make the team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 This is like where you all take turns opening presents. But your at your grandma's house and there's like 14 people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 29 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: 70% of Bass Kickoffs were touchbacks last season. It could be even higher this year. One of Haack's pluses is his hang time which is directly proportionate to more fair catches. Fans are not undervaluing STs it's just a fact in todays NFL and looking like a planned scheme by our Bills. It's the Bills potent offense that will give them field advantage this year (just like last year). Are you suggesting that ST did not contribute to decent field position last season, or that it will not be a factor in field position this season? I would certainly disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, IBTG81 said: Why do I have a strange feeling that Bobby Hart is going to make the team? Tommy Doyle making the Bills has me optimistic that Hart will be released 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 43 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said: Not sayin they sign Cam, but he's an ex Panther that just spent the off-season reading NEs playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 25 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said: So the depth chart as it stands now: WR - Emmanuel Sanders, Gabriel Davis, Isaiah Hodgins LT - Dion Dawkins, Spencer Brown, Tommy Doyle LG -Jon Feliciano, Jordan Devey C - Mitch Morse, Ryan Bates RG - Cody Ford, Ike Boettger RT - Daryl Williams, Bobby Hart TE - Dawson Knox, Tommy Sweeney QB - Josh Allen, Mitchell Trubisky, Davis Webb, Jake Fromm RB - Devin Singletary, Zack Moss, Matt Breida, Taiwan Jones, Christian Wade (roster exemption) FB - Reggie Gilliam WR - Cole Beasley, Isaiah McKenzie WR - Stefon Diggs, Jake Kumerow, Marquez Stevenson Offense - 31 (counting Wade) LDE - Jerry Hughes, Greg Rousseau, Efe Obada DT - Ed Oliver, Justin Zimmer, Brandin Bryant, Treyvon Hester DT - Star Lotulelei, Vernon Butler, Harrison Phillips RDE - Mario Addison, A.J. Epenesa, Boogie Basham, Mike Love MLB - Tremaine Edmunds, Tyrel Dodson, Tyler Matakevich, Marquel Lee WLB - Matt Milano, A.J. Klein, Andre Smith, Joe Giles-Harris NCB - Taron Johnson, Siran Neal CB - Tre'Davious White, Rachad Wildgoose, Nick McCloud CB - Levi Wallace, Dane Jackson, Olaijah Griffin S - Jordan Poyer, Damar Hamlin S - Micah Hyde, Jaquan Johnson Defense - 34 Special Teams - 3 Total - 68 (counting Wade) Looks like defense and QBs have the next round of cuts I hate to do this but based upon where they are at... Offense next round of cuts - Hodges, Devey, Hart, Webb, Fromm - brings them to 25 plus Wade Defense next round of cuts - Bryant, Hester, Butler, Love, Lee, Dodson, Giles-Harris, McCloud, Griffin - once again 25 - Harrison goes to the IR and Butler resigned Ooof - as Ron Burgundy once said "this is hard" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: 70% of Bass Kickoffs were touchbacks last season. It could be even higher this year. One of Haack's pluses is his hang time which is directly proportionate to more fair catches. Fans are not undervaluing STs it's just a fact in todays NFL and looking like a planned scheme by our Bills. It's the Bills potent offense that will give them field advantage this year (just like last year). Agree - I don't understand why so many associate not wanting to waste a spot on a single gunner who contributes nothing else to the team to saying that ST are not important. These are the reasons to me why the team does not fall apart if Jones is not on it - Bass kickoffs into endzone = less kickoff returns - Bills punted least in the NFL last year - an average of 2.6 times/game - this could even be less this year with better offense - Haack is excellent in punts downed inside the 20 (114 of 307 kicks in career - 37%!) = even less punt returns to cover - Taiwan Jones does not make every tackle on STs - other players make coverage tackles too! - Bills emphasize acquiring/drafting/developing/coaching players with ST ability - a well coached ST unit (stay in your lanes!) with many talented ST players should be able to cover (the handful of) kicks effectively regardless of whether Taiwan Jones is on the field Edited August 31, 2021 by stevewin 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, stevewin said: Agree - I don't understand why so many associate not wanting to waste a spot on a single gunner who contributes nothing else to the team to saying that ST are not important. These are the reasons to me why the team does not fall apart if Jones is not on it - Bass kickoffs into endzone = less kickoff returns - Bills punted least in the NFL last year - an average of 2.6 times/game - this could even be less this year with better offense - Haack is excellent in punts downed inside the 20 (114 of 307 kicks in career - 37%!) = even less punt returns to cover - Taiwan Jones does not make every tackle on STs - other players can tackle too! - Bills emphasize acquiring/drafting/developing players with ST ability - a well coached ST unit (stay in your lanes!) with many talented ST players should be able to cover kicks effectively regardless of whether Taiwan Jones is on the field In today’s game there really isn’t much need for a player who only plays ST. As stated only a couple punts/kickoffs per game actually get returned. If they think Jones can contribute on offense then he makes sense, but since he didn’t play a single down of offense in the preseason I suspect the team isn’t looking at him for any offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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