dave mcbride Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Dean said: Nobody has proved to the coaching staff that they are in the same league. If/when they do, I imagine Taiwan will be gone. So yes, at this point in time, I have to assme he is head and shoulders above some of the others being considered. At I know how to tell time. It's past 4! Where's the 53 list? I've made my position clear about interchangeability of non-kicker ST players as long they're functional runners, blockers, and tacklers and intelligent enough to consistently execute their assigned role, but has anyone considered that the 33-year old Jones may have actually lost a step and/or started breaking down? Now is the time when that sort of thing happens in players' careers. Careers are short in this league for fringe players, and he's living on borrowed time anyway at age 33. I'm not saying he's in physical decline, but if the Bills don't keep him, that may be a reason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: We have Bassomatic. He had 30 kicks returned last year, and the 2nd best average in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'm just thrilled to have the Bills finally in a place where we are arguing whether to keep a ST Gunner vs 5th RB vs 7th WR, instead of trying to figure out a solution at QB, LT, DE, or any other starting position. Work your magic, Beane. GO BILLS! Exactly! This roster is stacked and it’s so awesome, love Beane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Well we don’t know that either. Did you watch the gunners all preseason? I mean we dominated the opponents in preseason, so how did the guys playing gunner look? I didn’t pay attention to them much, but I also did not see any bad ST plays either. And Taiwan didn’t play a snap in the preseason which tells me they were looking at other players because even Josh Allen played. Taiwan is not more important than Allen, Hughes, Cole, etc who all played in the third game. So now the question is, did someone show well enough in that role to fill his role…we will know soon enough. The legend of Taiwan Jones, Gunner God, is reaching epic proportions now! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Ah oh, Levi Wallace is running out of the building..something must be up If he could actually run that fast he wouldn't be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, dave mcbride said: I've made my position clear about interchangeability of non-kicker ST players as long they're functional runners, blockers, and tacklers and intelligent enough to consistently execute their assigned role, but has anyone considered that the 33-year old Jones may have actually lost a step and/or started breaking down? Now is the time when that sort of thing happens in players' careers. Careers are short in this league for fringe players, and he's living on borrowed time anyway at age 33. I'm not saying he's in physical decline, but if the Bills don't keep him, that may be a reason. I could honestly care less - however the 2019 team had a punt blocked, and a KO returned for a touchdown, and Jones was not on that team. I don't think i care if its Jones, just that they have solid players on special teams. I think its valuable from the depth of the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, dave mcbride said: The legend of Taiwan Jones, Gunner God, is reaching epic proportions now! Hahaha I’m having Zay Jones flash backs lol. Although I would take Taiwan a million times over Zay lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, dave mcbride said: The legend of Taiwan Jones, Gunner God, is reaching epic proportions now! If he makes the roster this year considering all things we know about this team. It will solidify Taiwan’s status along side Tasker I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 On 8/30/2021 at 10:26 AM, Draconator said: Thank God I can finally eat something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, dneveu said: I could honestly care less - however the 2019 team had a punt blocked, and a KO returned for a touchdown, and Jones was not on that team. I don't think i care if its Jones, just that they have solid players on special teams. I think its valuable from the depth of the team. Their kickoff return for a TD was on an onside kick with a minute to go and the game over, and it was by actual starter Micah Hyde who stupidly decided to run it in rather than take a knee. Fitz came out gunslinging (no surprise there) and in the last minute of garbage time marched Miami most of the way down the field over a half dozen plays. The Bills had gotten nicked up in that game, and I was thinking the whole time that another injury might well happen. So I don't count that one as legit. Edited August 31, 2021 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Thanks for reminding me. I got to go to the ex-girlfriends shop to get a haircut right now. Hopefully I won't miss anything. See you guys in a few! Do you go visit the tax-preparer ex every April? ... and keep in mind the chips and salsa are already free at the Mexican joints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: If he makes the roster this year considering all things we know about this team. It will solidify Taiwan’s status along side Tasker I guess. Yah I wouldn’t put his name ANYWHERE NEAR Tasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 for the love of everything that's holy, can someone please start a separate thread dedicated to everything Taiwan Jones? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Again, does not mean there isn’t someone else capable of good gunner play. That’s the point. Some of you have made this decision ONLY Taiwan is capable of it That's a straw man argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Well we don’t know that either. Did you watch the gunners all preseason? I mean we dominated the opponents in preseason, so how did the guys playing gunner look? I didn’t pay attention to them much, but I also did not see any bad ST plays either. And Taiwan didn’t play a snap in the preseason which tells me they were looking at other players because even Josh Allen played. Taiwan is not more important than Allen, Hughes, Cole, etc who all played in the third game. So now the question is, did someone show well enough in that role to fill his role…we will know soon enough. Taiwan played on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Putin said: Yah I wouldn’t put his name ANYWHERE NEAR Tasker Well it must be somewhere near there, after all we have decided to keep a full time gunner when we barely punt, we have bassomatic, and we run 5 wide and could use extra WRs with McKittrick hurt. All of this and we still decide to keep Taiwan. That would have to mean something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goober Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Is it safe to say at least any other trades would've likely been reported by now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 When do we usually hear the final cuts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, NickelCity said: When do we usually hear the final cuts? When Taiwan Jones is ready 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: for the love of everything that's holy, can someone please start a separate thread dedicated to everything Taiwan Jones? im with this guy i dont give a rats a** bout Taiwan anymore just want to see the cuts 😀 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Whelp, back to work after my dinner break... Of course no updates 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: If he makes the roster this year considering all things we know about this team. It will solidify Taiwan’s status along side Tasker I guess. I wouldn't go that far. I mean admittedly, its by no means a stretch to see Taiwan make the team. As others have pointed out, we are already looking at other changes to ST. But, honestly, that is pretty typical for good rosters, to see turnover on ST as the roster gets harder and harder to make the more talented it gets. I think it mostly means that either the guys they looked at for Gunner during the preseason didn't show well enough on tape, or that ultimately they don't see Brieda as a game day contributor and either cut him or plan to keep him as only an emergency RB. I specifically mention Brieda because I find it HIGHLY unlikely we go into weekly games with 5 active RB's between Devin, Moss, Gilliam, Brieda, and Taiwan (because the only reason to keep Taiwan is to be active on game days for ST). So honestly, Taiwan's future here IMHO almost solely depends on the role they see for Brieda, if at all. And given how many times both McD and Beane spoke about adding more speed at RB this offseason, I think they are serious about that given how serious they apparently were also about potentially taking a RB early in the draft. So if they keep Brieda, I think its because they intend on him being part of the game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: Well it must be somewhere near there, after all we have decided to keep a full time gunner when we barely punt, we have bassomatic, and we run 5 wide and could use extra WRs with McKittrick hurt. All of this and we still decide to keep Taiwan. That would have to mean something. He means something to ST there’s no doubt about that , As far as Tasker we’re talking potential HOF’er Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, goober said: Is it safe to say at least any other trades would've likely been reported by now? No, I think it's not out of the realm of possibility that deals have been done where they haven't leaked it to the press quite yet. Especially it were to involve us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, NickelCity said: When do we usually hear the final cuts? Last year is was like 5:15pm or something when Bills released it...someone shared a tweet with the exact time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 27 minutes ago, Philo said: Guys, has anyone considered that maybe @GunnerBill is contractually obligated to defend elite Gunner play? It's in his freakin' name! 😄😝 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, DasNootz said: When Taiwan Jones is ready I wonder if his brother, Singapore Jones, is also an elite gunner. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Putin said: He means something to ST there’s no doubt about that , As far as Tasker we’re talking potential HOF’er Apparently he means more than just something to ST. If he was just something, given everything we know about this team, we could take a few notches below Taiwans performance and still be ok. Apparently he is a god gunner and must stay on the team at all costs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) I am most interested in the future of following people (despite recent Taiwan dialogue, who I actually dont care that much about...just suggesting he doesnt make it brings out his family defense team lol) Stevenson - We havent kept 7 WRs before, but I would like to see us do it this year as I am intrigued about this guy and like to see him make the team. Wildgoose - I have a sneaky feeling about him being someone who could make the final roster and like his potential. Mostly, McD has always done well at developing DB's too, so would like to see the kid stick. Edited August 31, 2021 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: I wonder if his brother, Singapore Jones, is also an elite gunner. I believe his uncle Vietnam was the first gunner in the family. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 can i get cliff notes on the taiwan jones inside joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: I am most interested in the future of following people (despite recent dialogue) Stevenson - We havent kept 7 WRs before, but I would like to see us do it this year as I am intrigued about this guy and like to see him make the team. Wildgoose - I have a sneaky feeling about him being someone who could make the final roster and like his potential. Mostly, McD has always done well at developing DB's too, so would like to see the kid stick. I liked Mccloud better than Wildgoose in the preseason. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Apparently he means more than just something to ST. If he was just something, given everything we know about this team, we could take a few notches below Taiwans performance and still be ok. Apparently he is a god gunner and must stay on the team at all costs. At ALL cost ?? 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, DasNootz said: I believe his uncle Vietnam was the first gunner in the family. I believe that was Cam Jones (Cambodia). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 13 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The legend of Taiwan Jones, Gunner God, is reaching epic proportions now! This is the way debates happen on here, all too often, unfortunately. People argue in support of a certain player, and then some folks start with this straw-man garbage. Does nothing for the debate, and only misrepresents other's opinions on the matter. If that's how you debate a subject, it's hard to take anything you say seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Back2Buff said: I liked Mccloud better than Wildgoose in the preseason. Yeah I liked him too, but I think he is a prime PS squad guy personally. I think Wildgoose would be riskier to get onto the PS vs McCloud. But I would have no problem if McCloud made it either, he showed some promise for sure, albeit against lesser competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Their kickoff return for a TD was on an onside kick with a minute to go and the game over, and it was by actual starter Micah Hyde who stupidly decided to run it in rather than take a knee. Fitz came out gunslinging (no surprise there) and in the last minute of garbage time marched Miami most of the way down the field over a half dozen plays. The Bills had gotten nicked up in that game, and I was thinking the whole time that another injury might well happen. So I don't count that one as legit. We allowed a kickoff return for a TD from jakeem grant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, DasNootz said: I believe his uncle Vietnam was the first gunner in the family. I think that it’s a dispute with the gov’t in Beijing. They only recognize him as Chinese Taipei Jones. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Putin said: At ALL cost ?? 🤣 He will be 40 and still on this team because he is a god gunner. I’m convinced now lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: I believe that was Cam Jones (Cambodia). He was always Offside or lined up in the neutral zone. Edited August 31, 2021 by DasNootz 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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