GunnerBill Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: That’s just it, I don’t undervalue ST’s. In the past I’ve been quite vocal about the importance of ST’s and all too well remember the horrid we trotted out year after year and screaming at the TV over ST blunders. The difference is I feel we have a really good ST unit these days, and don’t see Taiwan as irreplaceable. Funny thing is almost none of the people advocating for Taiwan have probably even noticed him in a game and are arguing his greatness over a comment from a coach. While he’s obviously a great ST player for us, this notion he is irreplaceable in that role is so grossly over exaggerated around here. Well this is most definitely not true of me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, GunnerBill said: Well this is most definitely not true of me. This I agree with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: That’s just it, I don’t undervalue ST’s. In the past I’ve been quite vocal about the importance of ST’s and all too well remember the horrid we trotted out year after year and screaming at the TV over ST blunders. The difference is I feel we have a really good ST unit these days, and don’t see Taiwan as irreplaceable. Funny thing is almost none of the people advocating for Taiwan have probably even noticed him in a game and are arguing his greatness over a comment from a coach. While he’s obviously a great ST player for us, this notion he is irreplaceable in that role is so grossly over exaggerated around here. It's because his name is Taiwan, isn't it? You must be a Communist or something. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: There isn't much starting experience there but there is some talent for sure. Yeah there is not but sometimes you just gotta go with your youth if you want to to evolve........this team is so stacked I think we can take a chance here. Would like to see a good corner off waivers if that becomes available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Dr. Who said: It's because his name is Taiwan, isn't it? You must be a Communist or something. That legit made me LOL touché haha 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Ouch!! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Considering Haack speciality is hangtime and punts being downed inside the 20, Taiwan is fairly expendable. Especially considering how low we punt, which I figured this year will be even lower given I expect Josh and this offense to put up even better numbers this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: Ouch!! Hahaha sad yet true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) TD Jesus made it so is that a point to 7WRs??? Edited August 31, 2021 by MAJBobby 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Funny thing is almost none of the people advocating for Taiwan have probably even noticed him in a game and are arguing his greatness over a comment from a coach Honestly I haven't that much. Why I don't get too involved with the ST gunners talk much. Just one of those things that I look up and most of the time both gunners are pretty much down the field fast and about the same time lol Edited August 31, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Ouch!! I mean I don't know if I disagree but given who just said this I'm inclined to think the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: TD Jesus made it so is that a point to 7WRs??? Probably 8, because I don’t think they cut Hodgkins. Given how often we go 5 wide, keeping 8 makes sense. I think we roll with 2 QBs. Edited August 31, 2021 by IronMaidenBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: That’s just it, I don’t undervalue ST’s. In the past I’ve been quite vocal about the importance of ST’s and all too well remember the horrid we trotted out year after year and screaming at the TV over ST blunders. The difference is I feel we have a really good ST unit these days, and don’t see Taiwan as irreplaceable. Funny thing is almost none of the people advocating for Taiwan have probably even noticed him in a game and are arguing his greatness over a comment from a coach. While he’s obviously a great ST player for us, this notion he is irreplaceable in that role is so grossly over exaggerated around here. Right now (on paper, at least), we have a worse ST unit than we did last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: That’s just it, I don’t undervalue ST’s. In the past I’ve been quite vocal about the importance of ST’s and all too well remember the horrid we trotted out year after year and screaming at the TV over ST blunders. The difference is I feel we have a really good ST unit these days, and don’t see Taiwan as irreplaceable. Funny thing is almost none of the people advocating for Taiwan have probably even noticed him in a game and are arguing his greatness over a comment from a coach. While he’s obviously a great ST player for us, this notion he is irreplaceable in that role is so grossly over exaggerated around here. Replacing a top notch ST player for a player who "can do the job" is a preposterous trade off, IMO. Especially when you are dealing with back of the roster offensive or defensive players. Those players very rarely get an opportunity to play offense or defense, so their contribution to those units is minimal. OTOH, a great ST player makes a big impact several times in virtually every game. A great ST unit needs players who are great at the job, 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 18 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: 4 pm is taking an awful long time to get here. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I have to say it feels SOOOO freaking good looking at the Cuts and saying Meh he isn’t needed on this roster. Been scouring names and ONLY found 1 so far I would call about. how far the Bills have come with the overall talent level of the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So the Jets starting TE is going to be Tyler Kroft? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, The Jokeman said: So the Jets starting TE is going to be Tyler Kroft? Who's your friend when things get rough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, The Jokeman said: So the Jets starting TE is going to be Tyler Kroft? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Lots of Ertz chatter on Twitter involving Bills and Jets…no substance really that I can see, just because of the Hollister cut (which is almost certainly a temp move to IR someone and resign him and likely has nothing to do with Ertz) and now the Herndon trade. Just speculation he’s headed to AFC East over that which is silly and some Packers chatter too. Ertz is the new Clooney lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, The Jokeman said: So the Jets starting TE is going to be Tyler Kroft? I mean the little I've paid attention of him this preseason he's actually looked good....as long as his foot holds up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I remember when Buddy Nix took his nap in the last hour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Dean said: Replacing a top notch ST player for a player who "can do the job" is a preposterous trade off, IMO. Especially when you are dealing with back of the roster offensive or defensive players. Those players very rarely get an opportunity to play offense or defense, so their contribution to those units is minimal. OTOH, a great ST player makes a big impact several times in virtually every game. A great ST unit needs players who are great at the job, See Tasker, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Dean said: Replacing a top notch ST player for a player who "can do the job" is a preposterous trade off, IMO. Especially when you are dealing with back of the roster offensive or defensive players. Those players very rarely get an opportunity to play offense or defense, so their contribution to those units is minimal. OTOH, a great ST player makes a big impact several times in virtually every game. A great ST unit needs players who are great at the job, It’s not when we barely punt the ball and we will probably punt less this year than last. Haack also has better hangtime and can get a fair amount of fair catch rates. Edited August 31, 2021 by IronMaidenBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Trufant is only 30 years old, probably has a couple good years left. Wonder what it would cost $$$........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Considering Haack speciality is hangtime and punts being downed inside the 20, Taiwan is fairly expendable. Especially considering how low we punt, which I figured this year will be even lower given I expect Josh and this offense to put up even better numbers this year. Are you honestly saying that Matt Haack makes Taiwan Jones expendable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Rocky Landing said: Are you honestly saying that Matt Haack makes Taiwan Jones expendable? Given our low punt rates and even lower punt rates this year, yes. 3 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said: See Tasker, Steve Taiwan is no Steve Tasker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gavin in Va Beach said: See Tasker, Steve he also scored 9 tds and was a serviceable wr when needed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Trufant is only 30 years old, probably has a couple good years left. Wonder what it would cost $$$........ Might be looking at just a 1 year deal at this point wherever he goes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Rocky Landing said: Are you honestly saying that Matt Haack makes Taiwan Jones expendable? I would just say that 33-year-old career STer Taiwan Jones clears waivers and doesn’t have any takers. There are several guys who would not. This is a no-brainer. If we still want him, he can go to the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 maybe ol Jake can be our new Tasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: It’s not when we barely punt the ball and we will probably punt less this year than last. Haack also has better hangtime and can get a fair amount of fair catch rates. If the team agreed with that logic, they'd have never signed Taiwan Jones to a new contract in Free Agency AFTER they signed Matt Haack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Come on people, think about it. We put out 5 wide a fairly decent amount per game. We are keeping 7 and maybe even 8WRs, especially now that we have a competent backup QB. 2QBs and less TEs is expected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, UConn James said: I would just say that 33-year-old career STer Taiwan Jones clears waivers and doesn’t have any takers. There are several guys who would not. This is a no-brainer. If we still want him, he can go to the squad. Why would we want Taiwan Jones on the practice squad? (He's not subject to waivers, btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Are you honestly saying that Matt Haack makes Taiwan Jones expendable? Definitely not. What is reasonable is that Haack + Jones replacement MAY make his perceived role diminished enough they move on from him. That has been my take all off season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: If the team agreed with that logic, they'd have never signed Taiwan Jones to a new contract in Free Agency AFTER they signed Matt Haack. People change their minds all the time, It wouldn’t surprise me if they have decided to take on a new direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, UConn James said: I would just say that 33-year-old career STer Taiwan Jones clears waivers and doesn’t have any takers. There are several guys who would not. This is a no-brainer. If we still want him, he can go to the squad. He does not go on waivers - FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: It’s not when we barely punt the ball and we will probably punt less this year than last. Haack also has better hangtime and can get a fair amount of fair catch rates. Wow, what a strategy. Then why keep an extra RB when they don't run much? Seriously, that is some flawed thinking. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, UConn James said: I would just say that 33-year-old career STer Taiwan Jones clears waivers and doesn’t have any takers. There are several guys who would not. This is a no-brainer. If we still want him, he can go to the squad. He doesn't go through waivers. He immediately becomes a FA eligible to sign with whomever he chooses. That's what makes him a candidate for a *wink wink nod nod* release and return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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