HOUSE Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Ah oh, Levi Wallace is running out of the building..something must be up 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, The Dean said: Wow, what a strategy. Then why keep an extra RB when they don't run much? Seriously, that is some flawed thinking. IMO. Extra RB is needed more than an expendable career STer. Taiwan is good, but lets be honest, how many chances is he going to get to make a difference in a game considering how often we don’t punt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, ColoradoBills said: Definitely not. What is reasonable is that Haack + Jones replacement MAY make his perceived role diminished enough they move on from him. That has been my take all off season. For the record, I was advocating for moving on from Jones earlier this summer, as well. But that was before seeing how little we had a P/KR, the release of D. Johnson, J. Johnson's injury, and McKenzie jacking up his shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Dean said: Replacing a top notch ST player for a player who "can do the job" is a preposterous trade off, IMO. Especially when you are dealing with back of the roster offensive or defensive players. Those players very rarely get an opportunity to play offense or defense, so their contribution to those units is minimal. OTOH, a great ST player makes a big impact several times in virtually every game. A great ST unit needs players who are great at the job, While not wrong, that’s really you making Taiwan into a god at Gunner that is so irreplaceable when you don’t really know the gap between him and the next guy who can play gunner. All you are doing is creating an imaginary drop off you have no point of reference of. You can’t even tell me who will replace him at gunner let alone tell me that Taiwan is that much better than him that Taiwan is irreplaceable. You are essentially saying Taiwan is the Patrick Mahomes of gunners and his replacement is the Jake Fromm of gunners. But we just don’t know that yet, not me nor you. That’s all it is. And if Taiwan makes the team, then great, means they felt he was that much better and chose to keep him and I’m fine with that. I’m just not sold on that being case personally right now because we have some good prospects I’d like to hold onto elsewhere or guys like Brieda who I think could add value in more game situations. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Packers react to Kumerow making the Bills with Trade. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: Ah oh, Levi Wallace is running out of the building..something must be up Oh no, are you sure that wasn't the speedster Stevenson? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Rocky Landing said: For the record, I was advocating for moving on from Jones earlier this summer, as well. But that was before seeing how little we had a P/KR, the release of D. Johnson, J. Johnson's injury, and McKenzie jacking up his shoulder. Actually after the "ST only" players from last year have moved on (Andre Roberts and Bam Johnson) I can see Jones making the team. BUT maybe they move on from him too. It's 4pm lets find out! Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 i didnt realize Taiwan was such a top notch special teamer, not being sarcastic here if he makes team i guess i am gonna have to pay more attention to what he contributing, its just with so many touchbacks and less punts from Bills i havent noticed the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Guys, has anyone considered that maybe @GunnerBill is contractually obligated to defend elite Gunner play? It's in his freakin' name! 😄😝 2 10 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: Extra RB is needed more than an expendable career STer. Taiwan is good, but lets be honest, how many chances is he going to get to make a difference in a game considering how often we don’t punt? Again, much like the other guy, you say "expendable". McDermott says "best gunner in the league". Even if I were on your side, logically I'd realize that it doesn't line up with that of the Head Coach. That's what baffles me with you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Again, much like the other guy, you say "expendable". McDermott says "best gunner in the league". Even if I were on your side, logically I'd realize that it doesn't line up with that of the Head Coach. That's what baffles me with you guys. He maybe the best gunner in the league, but what good is having the best gunner in the league when the few next steps down can accomplish something nearly as well? Especially considering how well Haack punts and holds opponents to fair catches inside the 20 and how little we punt the ball? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Again, much like the other guy, you say "expendable". McDermott says "best gunner in the league". Even if I were on your side, logically I'd realize that it doesn't line up with that of the Head Coach. That's what baffles me with you guys. Same head coach said how important it was to get more speed ON THE FIELD at RB, but you downplay that and Brieda too. Same head coach praised Daryl Johnson also just watched him get traded. In other words, coaches praise guys all the time, doesn’t mean they ultimately fit into the final roster plans. But you seem to cherry pick and take the one comment on Taiwan as the only thing that matters. Shows they like him for sure, but doesn’t guarantee a roster spot. Edited August 31, 2021 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: He maybe the best gunner in the league, but what good is having the best gunner in the league when the few next steps down can accomplish something nearly as well? Especially considering how well Haack punts and holds opponents to fair catches inside the 20 and how little we punt the ball? You still need good gunner play to force fair catches. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Safe to say Buffalo doesn't have any insiders lol Also, no leaks in the house. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: You still need good gunner play to force fair catches. This is true, but is Taiwan a gunner god? So much so that we can’t afford to take a few pegs down a notch to help support our need for more WR bodies considering how often we run 5 wide and McKittrick hurt? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 we dont need any gunners, Bills will prob only punt twice this year and we can just let em run it back at that point as we be up by 50 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: You still need good gunner play to force fair catches. Again, does not mean there isn’t someone else capable of good gunner play. That’s the point. Some of you have made this decision ONLY Taiwan is capable of it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 7 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Mat68 said: Safe to say Buffalo doesn't have any insiders lol Also, no leaks in the house. Got check the relevant fringe players social media to catch anything early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, stevewin said: It's about time for this post! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: This is true, but is Taiwan a gunner god? So much so that we can’t afford to take a few pegs down a notch to help support our need for more WR bodies considering how often we run 5 wide and McKittrick hurt? Gunner University this summer hosted by Gunner God Taiwan Jones. The who's who of gunners will be there, don't miss it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Didnt this happen last year too? I remember it took forever to get the full list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Again, does not mean there isn’t someone else capable of good gunner play. That’s the point. Some of you have made this decision ONLY Taiwan is capable of it Nobody has proved to the coaching staff that they are in the same league. If/when they do, I imagine Taiwan will be gone. So yes, at this point in time, I have to assme he is head and shoulders above some of the others being considered. At I know how to tell time. It's past 4! Where's the 53 list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: He maybe the best gunner in the league, but what good is having the best gunner in the league when the few next steps down can accomplish something nearly as well? Especially considering how well Haack punts and holds opponents to fair catches inside the 20 and how little we punt the ball? The gunner's also play on kickoffs, kick returns, and punt returns fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, stosh64 said: Oh another hour....that's great. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I'm just thrilled to have the Bills finally in a place where we are arguing whether to keep a ST Gunner vs 5th RB vs 7th WR, instead of trying to figure out a solution at QB, LT, DE, or any other starting position. Work your magic, Beane. GO BILLS! 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: Gunner University this summer hosted by Gunner God Taiwan Jones. The who's who of gunners will be there, don't miss it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Again, does not mean there isn’t someone else capable of good gunner play. That’s the point. Some of you have made this decision ONLY Taiwan is capable of it Nope. He is just demonstrably better than the alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, stosh64 said: Thanks for reminding me. I got to go to the ex-girlfriends shop to get a haircut right now. Hopefully I won't miss anything. See you guys in a few! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, The Dean said: Nobody has proved to the coaching staff that they are in the same league. If/when they do, I imagine Taiwan will be gone. So yes, at this point in time, I have to assme he is head and shoulders above some of the others being considered. At I know how to tell time. It's past 4! Where's the 53 list? This is a fair assessment. If this is the coaching staff decision, so be it. I guess that will just prove how valuable Taiwan is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, stosh64 said: Out of my brain on the train 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, The Dean said: Nobody has proved to the coaching staff that they are in the same league. If/when they do, I imagine Taiwan will be gone. So yes, at this point in time, I have to assme he is head and shoulders above some of the others being considered. At I know how to tell time. It's past 4! Where's the 53 list? I felt trading Johnson made Jones a lock. He played in the preseason as much as Allen did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, stosh64 said: u could have told me that before i hit refresh 80 times Matt, man i need to get a life i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Belichick and McD will be there with fake mustaches watching from the bleachers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Actually after the "ST only" players from last year have moved on (Andre Roberts and Bam Johnson) I can see Jones making the team. BUT maybe they move on from him too. It's 4pm lets find out! Go Bills! Except Bam Johnson (along with 66% of special teams snaps each year - also played 20% of defensive snaps. He was more than ST only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GoBills808 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Lol special teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Dean said: Nobody has proved to the coaching staff that they are in the same league. If/when they do, I imagine Taiwan will be gone. So yes, at this point in time, I have to assme he is head and shoulders above some of the others being considered. At I know how to tell time. It's past 4! Where's the 53 list? Well we don’t know that either. Did you watch the gunners all preseason? I mean we dominated the opponents in preseason, so how did the guys playing gunner look? I didn’t pay attention to them much, but I also did not see any bad ST plays either. And Taiwan didn’t play a snap in the preseason which tells me they were looking at other players because even Josh Allen played. Taiwan is not more important than Allen, Hughes, Cole, etc who all played in the third game. So now the question is, did someone show well enough in that role to fill his role…we will know soon enough. Edited August 31, 2021 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, stosh64 said: Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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