Rochesterfan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 hours ago, YattaOkasan said: They could; you just don’t see it cause assistant QB coaches make very little compared to a PS player. He would just have to sign anywhere. He’ll be a coach of that I’m certain. But while he still can “play” it makes way more sense for HIM to be on a team as a player in any capacity. Actually you can’t and salary has nothing to do with it because you can pay a coach whatever you want. The NFL has a rule that prevents “player/coaches” and does not allow a coach to be activated to play on the team. It was designed to prevent teams from using to hide players and keep them on the roster and modified to prevent teams from circumventing the salary cap. It does not come up often, but was enforced just last year with Denver when they lost all 3 QBs to COVID. The NFL would not allow a fully tested Quality Control coach to be activated as a player because of the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 27 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: The NFL has rules against this to prevent teams from hiding players. Denver wanted to activate the QB quality control coach last year when all the QBs were placed on COVID and the NFL wouldn’t allow it. There was a nice article about it - I will try to find it - but basically it was done in the past as a way to pay players and not lose them, but keep them on the team and the NFL banned it. Edit: https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/?p=651317 Not the original article, but mentions the rule in here. Great info. Thanks. 19 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: That running back looked good in the last preseason game. Wonder if they pull him onto the PS Maybe, but I think he & Harris were mainly signed to play the last game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YattaOkasan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: Actually you can’t and salary has nothing to do with it because you can pay a coach whatever you want. The NFL has a rule that prevents “player/coaches” and does not allow a coach to be activated to play on the team. It was designed to prevent teams from using to hide players and keep them on the roster and modified to prevent teams from circumventing the salary cap. It does not come up often, but was enforced just last year with Denver when they lost all 3 QBs to COVID. The NFL would not allow a fully tested Quality Control coach to be activated as a player because of the rule. Appreciate the follow up on this rule; I was sorta answering a different question which is a bit different than the question asked and I think your answer is better for the question asked. The question I was thinking about was why don't we just make Webb a coach? For that question I just don't think its enticing enough for Webb because we wouldnt pay him as much as he would make as a player (again assuming hes not being hidden there to play later per the rule you stated). Yes you can pay a coach whatever you want, but if you start playing an Assistant QB coach so much you better believe its gonna make all your other coaches more expensive. Again thanks for the indicating the rule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Once the cuts start rolling in can someone just @ me please? Thanks Just now, gonzo1105 said: and right on cue ha.... thanks. No surprises there. Anderson disappointed me a bit in pre-season. I had a 5th rounder on him... man if we had spent a 5th I'd be majorly pissed. I kind of had Anderson more like a 5th and Doyle more like a 7th... neither has been too impressive but both still have some tools if the Bills can develop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said: The NFL has rules against this to prevent teams from hiding players. Denver wanted to activate the QB quality control coach last year when all the QBs were placed on COVID and the NFL wouldn’t allow it. There was a nice article about it - I will try to find it - but basically it was done in the past as a way to pay players and not lose them, but keep them on the team and the NFL banned it. Edit: https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/?p=651317 Not the original article, but mentions the rule in here. In this case it’s more like they are hiding a coach as a player… lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 20 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Wonder why they establish who they want back on PS so deliberately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Wonder why they establish who they want back on PS so deliberately? I think they tell the player their evaluation and how they see him, and then it's up to the player what he tells his agent 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 So far: Kerryith White RB Antonio Williams RB Tanner Gentry WR Brandon Powell WR Nate Becker TE Quinton Morris TE Jack Anderson OG Jamil Douglas OG Tim Harris CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, gonzo1105 said: So far: Kerryith White RB Antonio Williams RB Tanner Gentry WR Brandon Powell WR Nate Becker TE Quinton Morris TE Jack Anderson OG Jamil Douglas OG Tim Harris CB now it gets tough. The last 5 cuts are brutal. Watch other teams quickly sign our cuts, and start a couple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Becker made a couple nice plays this preseason...wonder if he lands on PS again? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: So far: Kerryith White RB Antonio Williams RB Tanner Gentry WR Brandon Powell WR Nate Becker TE Quinton Morris TE Jack Anderson OG Jamil Douglas OG Tim Harris CB Thanks for posting this summary. I say the same thing every year. There are very few surprises and many, if not most, of the guys released are players that you've either never heard of or never really had a shot. It makes me wonder what this process is really all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiezzz Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 How many cuts left until we hit 53? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, jamiezzz said: How many cuts left until we hit 53? If I'm counting correctly, 20 [Edit: 17] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If I'm counting correctly, 20 This year's cuts feel brutal. I was too young, there wasn't the kind of coverage, and the internet didn't really exist yet, during the glory days; I hardly knew about practice squad players. Lots of feels on the way down to 53 😭 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Thanks for posting this summary. I say the same thing every year. There are very few surprises and many, if not most, of the guys released are players that you've either never heard of or never really had a shot. It makes me wonder what this process is really all about. There are plenty of surprises on ***** rosters. Ours is pretty loaded and set so less drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He was fast! I'd like to see him on PS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: He was fast! I'd like to see him on PS Good sign for lil dirty’s shoulder 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Good sign for lil dirty’s shoulder That and Powell already being released. Good omens for Speedy as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: There are plenty of surprises on ***** rosters. Ours is pretty loaded and set so less drama. I have to agree there. Now, I realize many on here spend lots of time in arm-chair player evaluation, but even in the lean years I remember looking at the final cuts and mostly saying "Who's that?". With that said, I am always happy for these young guys who will grow up one day and tell their kids and grandkids that they 'played' for the Buffalo Bills, if even for a few weeks. It has to be super cool experience! Edited August 31, 2021 by SoCal Deek 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Why people keep saying that cuts are brutal? I know that we have overall strong roster but its not like we are cutting starters or something. They are imo 2-3 really tough decisions and one of them was already made yesterday. What is so tough now? Maybe one DL cut, one WR cut and Taiwan Jones situation? Almost everybody who we cut today will either be out of NFL or on our practise squad. I do get that all cuts are tough from the human point of view obviously, but that is another discussion. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Why people keep saying that cuts are brutal? I know that we have overall strong roster but its not like we are cutting starters or something. They are imo 2-3 really tough decisions and one of them was already made yesterday. What is so tough now? Maybe one DL cut, one WR cut and Taiwan Jones situation? Almost everybody who we cut today will either be out of NFL or on our practise squad. I do get that all cuts are tough from the human point of view obviously, but that is another discussion. Oo me me! Please bet me all the money that all of the players we cut will be out of the nfl or on our practice squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Why people keep saying that cuts are brutal? I know that we have overall strong roster but its not like we are cutting starters or something. They are imo 2-3 really tough decisions and one of them was already made yesterday. What is so tough now? Maybe one DL cut, one WR cut and Taiwan Jones situation? Almost everybody who we cut today will either be out of NFL or on our practise squad. I do get that all cuts are tough from the human point of view obviously, but that is another discussion. outside of maybe 5-7 guys. I mean right now Nate Becker was the “hardest” decision so far so far from brutal. I’d be interested if Becker wants to go back to the PS because he’s been on it the last couple of years already or if he seeks another opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Why people keep saying that cuts are brutal? I know that we have overall strong roster but its not like we are cutting starters or something. They are imo 2-3 really tough decisions and one of them was already made yesterday. What is so tough now? Maybe one DL cut, one WR cut and Taiwan Jones situation? Almost everybody who we cut today will either be out of NFL or on our practise squad. I do get that all cuts are tough from the human point of view obviously, but that is another discussion. Depending on health and possible IRs I have it down to Taiwan Jones (though I am very sure he is in), Jake Kumerow, Marquez Stevenson, Tommy Sweeney, Vernon Butler, Tyrel Dodson, Cam Lewis, Damar Hamlin Josh Thomas and maybe Tommy Doyle as the final 10 fighting over five spots. So it is just the final 5 cuts that are hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: Oo me me! Please bet me all the money that all of the players we cut will be out of the nfl or on our practice squad Huh? I didn't say all, I said almost all. And my point was that despite overall strenght of our roster, we are still releasing fringe players, not starters. It might be tougher to release Hodgins or Kumerow than Steven Sims or Duke Williams, but the difference is not huge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Process Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 This has to be it. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 19 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: There are plenty of surprises on ***** rosters. Ours is pretty loaded and set so less drama. Everything changes when your roster is deep. In the drought, guys on the PS simply weren't ready for the NFL. All you could do was hope they kept developing on the PS, and maybe one day they'd contribute. When one got called up, you were getting just a body to fill out the roster. Now, there will be at least a few players on the practice who are legitimately good enough to be on the 53, but there just isn't enough room. When they get called up, there will be legitimate reason to expect them to perform. Something we're not used to. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Depending on health and possible IRs I have it down to Taiwan Jones (though I am very sure he is in), Jake Kumerow, Marquez Stevenson, Tommy Sweeney, Vernon Butler, Tyrel Dodson, Cam Lewis, Damar Hamlin Josh Thomas and maybe Tommy Doyle as the final 10 fighting over five spots. So it is just the final 5 cuts that are hard. Yeah I am not saying that there are not tough decisions, just that people are overreacting a little bit I think you said Jones is almost a lock and Hamlin>Thomas so its more like 7 people for 3 spots. If I had to guess I'd say Butler is gone (if Phillips looks good injury wise), Sweeney will be cut and put on PS (with very low risk). Doyle is very tricky and WR decision will be most interesting one. I do agree that Stevenson needs to be on 53 otherwise we lose him. Dodson will be also stolen if he doesn't make it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Process said: This has to be it. sounds about right maybe Isaiah Hodgins or Sweeney they are trying to keep, idk of another guy that could go on long term IR unless it’s Stevenson or Doyle but both played last week 1 minute ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Ya this is a surprise. TE roster looks thin. Are they planning to bring one in? By thin we’re talking Knox, Sweeney, and Gilliam Edited August 31, 2021 by gonzo1105 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Ya this is a surprise. TE roster looks thin. Are they planning to bring one in? Is this where we mention Ertz? 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Process said: This has to be it. Yeah, they did the same thing last year with Andre Roberts I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Process said: This has to be it. Hopefully!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: Making room for the Kelce trade? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Process said: This has to be it. Question though, why not just put the other player on IR now and avoid having to release and resign Hollister? Something to do with the ability for a player to return from IR based on timing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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