Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 This board loves Beane's drafts but not a single player in the top under 25 group according to NFL.com. https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-all-under-25-team-lamar-jackson-leads-nfl-s-rising-stars Obviously Oliver and Edmunds are the biggest omissions. Neither RB has distinguished themselves either. I'm still not over the fact Beane chose Epenesa over Dobbins. I still believe in Knox and Ford. More than most on this board. I'm coming around on Oliver. Hated the draft pick at the time but he has been a decent starter. Certainly not playing at a top 10 pick level but he has been good. I stated a bunch of times DT takes a long time to develop. My guess is Oliver plays really well with the new group of DL folks and gets 8 sacks. As for Edmunds, I think he's the weakest link on the defense but still has as much potential as anyone to be a star. He could be benched after 8 games or make a legit All-Pro. He plays like a guy that should be benched but still has the tools to be a super star. I really hope it was injury that held him back. I don't see anything on film that makes me believe he will be a star, but he has size, range, and youth. Gabe Davis played really well but he is simply not going to get enough attempts thrown his way to put up huge numbers. Maybe next year but not this year assuming Diggs and Sanders stay healthy. Any other under 25 guys you think might break out? 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 🤦♂️💩 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 You know, maybe it's the fact that we were one game away from the super bowl, but somehow it's really hard to care about one article of this magnitude. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 I have one concern. Winning a Super Bowl before death becomes me. 9 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) I think we have a lot of young players that have the potential to break out this season (excluding rookies): Gabriel Davis AJ Epenesa Tremaine Edmunds (still only 23) Devin Singletary Zach Moss Ed Oliver Dawson Knox Cody Ford Dane Jackson I hate declaring draft winners/losers the day after because some players take years to develop. If half of these guys progress significantly this season, we will have a great young core to build around for years to come. Edited June 27, 2021 by Allen2Diggs 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 We don't have many under 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) The list gave me about as much concern as there only being 2 Bills players in PFF's top 50 players. That said I slept pretty well last night with the realization that these lists might just be compiled by people looking for clicks or pandering to teams in larger markets. Edited June 27, 2021 by ProcessAccepted 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 27, 2021 Author Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, NewEra said: I have one concern. Winning a Super Bowl before death becomes me. Good take. Beane got the QB. Bow has he done enough to get them a ring with the supporting cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornAgainBillsFan Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Could not care less about what anybody outside of OBD or TBD thinks about our players. We do what we do, no matter what they say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Not concerned in the slightest, in fact all the better imo, fashion/popularity contests that mean nothing are fodder for nonsense gossip, no one should care even one iota. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Imagine giving a ***** about this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 No Ethan. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Allen2Diggs said: I think we have a lot of young players that have the potential to break out this season (excluding rookies): Gabriel Davis AJ Epenesa Tremaine Edmunds (still only 23) Devin Singletary Zach Moss Ed Oliver Dawson Knox Cody Ford Dane Jackson I hate declaring draft winners/losers the day after because some players take years to develop. If half of these guys progress significantly this season, we will have a great young core to build around for years to come. 1 hour ago, Allen2Diggs said: I think we have a lot of young players that have the potential to break out this season (excluding rookies): Gabriel Davis AJ Epenesa Tremaine Edmunds (still only 23) Devin Singletary Zach Moss Ed Oliver Dawson Knox Cody Ford Dane Jackson I hate declaring draft winners/losers the day after because some players take years to develop. If half of these guys progress significantly this season, we will have a great young core to build around for years to come. Trouble is, we need these higher draft picks to realize their draft position. Tremaine, Ed, And AJ on defense and Ford (or Lamp or both) on offense. Man, if those three had a great year on defense this year we could challenge KC for the AFC crown. If we turn LG into a strength, our run game would cruise along. (We also need our TEs to win blocks more). And the truth is that Tremaine and Ed are good players (we don't know about AJ yet) but aren't very special so far. Yes, we need them to be special to challenge KC. We can't expect our rookies to be all that.... Hopefully, they are helping by November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: This board loves Beane's drafts but not a single player in the top under 25 group according to NFL.com. https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-all-under-25-team-lamar-jackson-leads-nfl-s-rising-stars Obviously Oliver and Edmunds are the biggest omissions. Neither RB has distinguished themselves either. I'm still not over the fact Beane chose Epenesa over Dobbins. I still believe in Knox and Ford. More than most on this board. I'm coming around on Oliver. Hated the draft pick at the time but he has been a decent starter. Certainly not playing at a top 10 pick level but he has been good. I stated a bunch of times DT takes a long time to develop. My guess is Oliver plays really well with the new group of DL folks and gets 8 sacks. As for Edmunds, I think he's the weakest link on the defense but still has as much potential as anyone to be a star. He could be benched after 8 games or make a legit All-Pro. He plays like a guy that should be benched but still has the tools to be a super star. I really hope it was injury that held him back. I don't see anything on film that makes me believe he will be a star, but he has size, range, and youth. Gabe Davis played really well but he is simply not going to get enough attempts thrown his way to put up huge numbers. Maybe next year but not this year assuming Diggs and Sanders stay healthy. Any other under 25 guys you think might break out? Crying over dime-a-Dobbins? Really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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klos63 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 If we were 4-12 last season, I'd be worried. The under 25 statistic means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said: I think we have a lot of young players that have the potential to break out this season (excluding rookies): Gabriel Davis AJ Epenesa Tremaine Edmunds (still only 23) Devin Singletary Zach Moss Ed Oliver Dawson Knox Cody Ford Dane Jackson I hate declaring draft winners/losers the day after because some players take years to develop. If half of these guys progress significantly this season, we will have a great young core to build around for years to come. I agree. Obviously, they are not all going to break out in the upcoming season, but more than one might. Gabe Davis is still going to have to pick up touches when he can. He may not get many more chances than last season unless Beasley makes good on his threat to retire over COVID restrictions. Same thing with Epenesa. I think he's going to be significantly better, but it looks like McDermott is going to use a heavy rotation. Tremaine Edmunds may have the biggest opportunity to break out. The line has a chance to be much better in front of him, and that could open up all sorts of opportunities to make plays. Singletary and Moss could both be better with a little improvement on the offensive line (a healthy Cody Ford and better depth) but it's still going to be primarily a passing offense, and Matt Brieda is going to take some reps. Ed Oliver is another player who has a solid chance not only to be better, but to make a splash. I don't know what the percentages are, but I think a significant percentage of his play in 2021 was at 1 tech, and 1 tech does not lend itself to stats or splash plays. Ideal, he'll play almost all the time at 3 tech, and maybe even a few times outside as McDermott tries to change things up. The pressure is Knox and Ford to live up to their potential. For Dane Jackson, it is a matter of beating out Levi Wallace and Rashad Wildgoose for the starting spot across from Tre White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: This board loves Beane's drafts but not a single player in the top under 25 group according to NFL.com. https://www.nfl.com/news/2021-all-under-25-team-lamar-jackson-leads-nfl-s-rising-stars Obviously Oliver and Edmunds are the biggest omissions. Neither RB has distinguished themselves either. I'm still not over the fact Beane chose Epenesa over Dobbins. I still believe in Knox and Ford. More than most on this board. I'm coming around on Oliver. Hated the draft pick at the time but he has been a decent starter. Certainly not playing at a top 10 pick level but he has been good. I stated a bunch of times DT takes a long time to develop. My guess is Oliver plays really well with the new group of DL folks and gets 8 sacks. As for Edmunds, I think he's the weakest link on the defense but still has as much potential as anyone to be a star. He could be benched after 8 games or make a legit All-Pro. He plays like a guy that should be benched but still has the tools to be a super star. I really hope it was injury that held him back. I don't see anything on film that makes me believe he will be a star, but he has size, range, and youth. Gabe Davis played really well but he is simply not going to get enough attempts thrown his way to put up huge numbers. Maybe next year but not this year assuming Diggs and Sanders stay healthy. Any other under 25 guys you think might break out? Ford is a bust and will be cut after this season, biggest Beanne draft mistake over Metcalf 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 More worried then concern JK lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Bass > Blankenship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) From this article, regarding Mekhi Becton, who was eighth on the list: "He dazzled with his massive frame and strength early in his first season with the Jets, but was hampered by injuries. He wasn't the dominant tackle you might expect to see take a spot on a list such as this, ranking 31st in overall grade, per Pro Football Focus, but he has plenty of remaining potential." So, "remaining potential" is what it takes to make this list? Yet, Tremaine Edmunds wasn't on this list? Nor was Gabriel Davis? Or Taron Johnson??? Sorry, but this list is a joke. Edited June 28, 2021 by Rocky Landing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 28, 2021 Author Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, 716er said: Bass > Blankenship I thought so too. As I read the list I thought well at least our kicker will be on there. Bass has the leg strength to be an all time great. He got so much better as the year progressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted June 28, 2021 Author Share Posted June 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said: From this article, regarding Mekhi Becton, who was eighth on the list: "He dazzled with his massive frame and strength early in his first season with the Jets, but was hampered by injuries. He wasn't the dominant tackle you might expect to see take a spot on a list such as this, ranking 31st in overall grade, per Pro Football Focus, but he has plenty of remaining potential." So, "remaining potential" is what it takes to make this list? Yet, Tremaine Edmunds wasn't on this list? Nor was Gabriel Davis? Or Taron Johnson??? Sorry, but this list is a joke. Davis is a nice player but the WRs on the list are stars already. I think most have moved on from waiting for Edmunds’ potential and are now in show it on the field mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Good take. Beane got the QB. Bow has he done enough to get them a ring with the supporting cast. Bao? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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billsfan89 Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Looking at the past 3 draft classes and I have some concerns esp about 2019 but also I am much more positive than negative. 2018 - Home run, of course we all know Josh is a huge hit but Edumonds and T.Johnson are contributors to the defense and I think H.Phillips can turn in a good season before his rookie deal is up. 2019 - Ed Oliver has been a contributor but not quite as dominant as you want a top 10 pick to be but he has time to figure it out. The rest of the draft class is in pivotal years. Ford has started here or there but needs to play well in 2021 to establish himself. Knox and Singletary have played but neither have really established themselves either. All 3 of those players could bust completely or be highly productive. 2020 - AJ was basically red shirted his rookie year but Davis and Bass both had productive years and could be big time hits. Moss showed flashes as did Dane Jackson. Lots to shake out here but fairly good early returns on everyone but AJ. If Oliver establishes himself as a Pro Bowl player and 2 out of the 3 between Ford, Knox and Singletary prove to be starting caliber players that draft will be a big success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 ope not a concern i love the underdog mentality the Bills always seem to play better when they are more under the radar or play with that certain chip on their shoulder as to prove they ar who we think they are ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 11 hours ago, 716er said: Bass > Blankenship A million times. I was not totally convinced on Bass early but I'd rather roll the dice with a guy with his leg than with Blankenship who in the biggest moments I don't trust from anything over 50. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 I understand the point on stars under 25, but we are at an avg. age of 26.6, and the avg. NFL team is 26.4. After this year we will be younger as 2022 probably won’t be with Addison, Star, and possibly, but not likely Hughes. We may move on from Morse as well. All are useful, but you can see Beanes future plans were tocreat gjhs in waiting for the current older players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 18 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said: The list gave me about as much concern as there only being 2 Bills players in PFF's top 50 players. That said I slept pretty well last night with the realization that these lists might just be compiled by people looking for clicks or pandering to teams in larger markets. Please continue to sleep comfortably - the lack of hysteria is good to see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Someone better be getting fired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Just imagine during Beane's performance evaluation, Pegula walks in with this article and plops it on his desk. Beane would be sweating.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 No concerns at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buffaloboyinATL Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) Our most important player, Josh Allen, has been 25 for just over a month. If this list was written a couple of month ago, or was top players 25 or under, he would have been at or near the top of the list. I have zero concern. Edited June 28, 2021 by buffaloboyinATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 22 hours ago, billybrew1 said: Trouble is, we need these higher draft picks to realize their draft position. Tremaine, Ed, And AJ on defense and Ford (or Lamp or both) on offense. Man, if those three had a great year on defense this year we could challenge KC for the AFC crown. If we turn LG into a strength, our run game would cruise along. (We also need our TEs to win blocks more). And the truth is that Tremaine and Ed are good players (we don't know about AJ yet) but aren't very special so far. Yes, we need them to be special to challenge KC. We can't expect our rookies to be all that.... Hopefully, they are helping by November. Just want to frame this a bit differently. I think we are already challenging KC for the AFC crown. I can understand your arguments on the other players (would disagree on Tremaine as he has made a Pro Bowl without winning fan vote and we have had good years against TE before this year). Again we are challenging KC as it is and if the listed players become special we are routinely beating them (not just challenging them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Just imagine during Beane's performance evaluation, Pegula walks in with this article and plops it on his desk. Beane would be sweating.... I bet Terry's perf reviews are ruthless. Kim silently glaring from the back of the room. Arms crossed. Edited June 28, 2021 by LeGOATski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: I bet Terry's perf reviews are ruthless. Kim silently glaring from the back of the room. Arms crossed. How bad do you think the Sabres Front Office employees get it at the end of the year? What can you possibly say when it just keeps getting worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 On 6/27/2021 at 10:40 AM, TBBills said: We don't have many under 25 NDWT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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